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Lancero

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51. To expand on this a bit...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:54 PM
Aug 2015

The US was worried about them getting new hardware, replacement's were a secondary concern - Though, under the agreement replacements would have been allowed.

The only craft that entered operation around that timeframe was the Mig-17 - In 1952, though they were in such limited numbers that they never played a part.

The second aircraft entering operation around then was the Shenyang J-5, a Chinese knockoff of the Mig-17, and it entered service in July 1956, which was after the date the US said that NK supposedly recieved 'new jets'.

It's entirely possible that the 'new jets' (And speaking of the allegations lacking specifics, notice how they never gave a model number?) N. Korea recieved were Mig-15's, the US's reasoning for putting new weapons into SK was to ensure that the current hardware they had wouldn't be rendered obsolete. So given the timing, the Mig-15 is the most likely jet for N. Korea to have received if they actually received hardware in violation of the armistice. But here's the funniest thing about that - Even if N. Korea violated the armstice and recieved a new shipment of Mig-15's, it wouldn't have done ANYTHING to render our current hardware in S. Korea as obsolete - We had F-86's in SK at that time, and they played apart in the Korean war fighting against the Mig-15s and they kicked the absolute shit out of them. Seriously, kill ratio pushed at the time? 792 Mig-15 kills to 78 F-86 losses. Many people have since revised the kill numbers, but at this time period we were running with 792 to 78, which was a drastic count to our favor.

So, even if NK did violate the agreement, our entire reasoning behind introducing nuclear weapons was completely bogus.

Still though, if that agreement was violated and we had proof of it we would have shown it. But we never had anything to show, just allegations that they recieved new weapons.

...Come to think of it, didn't we make some other allegations - unproven and later shown to be false - relating to weapons in a more recent war?

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In a New York minute (eom) HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
...but they won't brooklynite Aug 2015 #2
The yearly mutual threats keep the fear level up...good for controlling both populations. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #19
Ummm, we might not have s choice... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #3
No you haven't GP6971 Aug 2015 #5
I thought so, but since I haven't been back... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #9
Forgotten War. So true GP6971 Aug 2015 #15
USAF... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #18
Son Tan shopping!! GP6971 Aug 2015 #22
o..m..g... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #34
the Viking Club... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #36
Plus Korean bands trying to sing GP6971 Aug 2015 #42
About as bad as the Vietnamese trying to emulate American rock bands. GGJohn Aug 2015 #43
Didn't hit Vietnam, GP6971 Aug 2015 #44
Yep. GGJohn Aug 2015 #45
I heard that In Korea in the 60s and 70s GP6971 Aug 2015 #46
LOL!! GGJohn Aug 2015 #47
I preferred OB GP6971 Aug 2015 #41
Of course GP6971 Aug 2015 #4
Yes. We have 35,000 troops there which IS the ROK defense plan jberryhill Aug 2015 #6
Slight correction GP6971 Aug 2015 #8
Actually it is down to 28,500 troops in Korea. davidpdx Aug 2015 #53
We have troops just south of the demilitarized zone. If the North invades the south we are stevenleser Aug 2015 #7
A 2nd Disvision Combat Brigade Team and 4th Squadron, 7th Cavalry GP6971 Aug 2015 #12
Not sure but I think the Chinese would hifiguy Aug 2015 #10
Especially considering their trade with the South. GGJohn Aug 2015 #23
Nope. Big-time trade with China hifiguy Aug 2015 #30
Brilliantly riotous: Kim Jong Cartman! (n/m) PJMcK Aug 2015 #62
They won't. Gman Aug 2015 #11
Yes, we go all in. GOLGO 13 Aug 2015 #13
South Korea has nukes AngryAmish Aug 2015 #16
So will Seoul if it comes to that GP6971 Aug 2015 #27
Any idea what kind of counterbattery capability the ROK / US has? MicaelS Aug 2015 #50
No they don't. GP6971 Aug 2015 #32
No, South Korea does not have nukes davidpdx Aug 2015 #54
We already are involved, GGJohn Aug 2015 #14
THIS! yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #60
Sadly, we will. Lancero Aug 2015 #17
That's bullshit. GGJohn Aug 2015 #20
Considering that the US decided to say fuck it to paragraph 13d of the Armistice? Lancero Aug 2015 #25
Do you have a link? GP6971 Aug 2015 #29
Edited this into the post a bit ago Lancero Aug 2015 #35
Thanks! GP6971 Aug 2015 #38
To expand on this a bit... Lancero Aug 2015 #51
Thanks!! GP6971 Aug 2015 #52
China would invade long before we would. onehandle Aug 2015 #21
I couldn't agree more. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #24
I think that's the case as well. joshcryer Aug 2015 #56
I don't think that's why China keeps NK afloat Nevernose Aug 2015 #63
I sure as hell hope so. mathematic Aug 2015 #26
We have been at war with NK since 1950. roamer65 Aug 2015 #28
No China will not egg them on GP6971 Aug 2015 #31
Exactly. SK's trade with China is hifiguy Aug 2015 #33
Not only with SK GP6971 Aug 2015 #37
Jeremy Corbyn Jeneral2885 Aug 2015 #39
OK, Who is this person? GP6971 Aug 2015 #40
We are already involved Marrah_G Aug 2015 #48
In a little under 4 hours GP6971 Aug 2015 #49
North Korea backed down, as usual. joshcryer Aug 2015 #55
of course we would DrDan Aug 2015 #57
First of all, it is unlikely to happen davidpdx Aug 2015 #58
Technically we are still in state of war. A peace treaty was never signed. davidn3600 Aug 2015 #59
The US had already broken the armstice back in 56... Lancero Aug 2015 #66
Probably more blackmail eridani Aug 2015 #61
Say one thing about the Kims. hifiguy Aug 2015 #64
I've never seen it this tense... SidDithers Aug 2015 #65
Could go hot any day now... Brickbat Aug 2015 #68
Explosion at US military storage depot in Japan Ex Lurker Aug 2015 #67
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