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RainDog

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40. something that is processed would qualify as a drug, imo
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 05:10 AM
Dec 2011

aspirin is a drug.

willow tree bark, which is the basis for chemicals synthesized as aspirin, is not a drug - tho it was used for the same reasons that we now use aspirin. it's also not illegal.

don't all plants that we consume have effects on the mind?

psychoactive is defined, simply, as: affecting the mind or mood or other mental processes.

nutmeg is also a drug - except it's not. same with willow, St. John's Wort, chamomile, bananas... and on and on.

my view of what constitutes a "drug," is a substance that is processed to isolate certain chemical components of a natural substance or to create a synthetic version of those components.

that's why I say Marinol is a drug while cannabis is not. this is just my view of how things are divided - but since cannabis is the only plant (oops, sorry, that's wrong... other natural plants are included... but their effects are far more substantial in terms of altering perception. I do wonder why other plants that also have psychoactive effects do not fall under the arbitrary scheduling designations. Nutmeg is a hallucinogen too.

but overall, I think a harm reduction approach is better than a law enforcement approach. I see addiction as a medical problem. In terms of cost/benefit to an individual and a society, I think legalization and regulation of all illegal substances commonly referred to as drugs in our society makes more sense.

I think education and respect for things like peyote or p. mushrooms makes more sense than making them illegal. I think all of these substances should be regulated and limited to adults.

This view comes about after looking at the ways that Portugal has been able to reduce the number of hard drug users and reduce the associated health problems from their use - like HIV and Hep C, etc.

In addition, such approaches are more cost effective.

And, most of all, I think such an approach is more humane.

I think that we use substance abuse as a way to ignore larger problems - the problems of people from horrible conditions due to economic need or abusive family systems or systemic prejudices. By singling out a few that are caught doing something illegal, we let ourselves, as a society, off the hook from looking at the bigger problems.

Even so, I recognize that some people have physiological issues with abuse, no matter what.

But I would rather try to minimize the harm they can do to themselves and others - and put taxpayer dollars toward that end, rather than a system of incarceration and the problems that "answer" creates.

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I saw that too and my reaction was exactly the same. Xicano Dec 2011 #1
Only a doctor can tell you how to live. cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #2
From my first taste fifty years ago, WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2011 #3
Woodward and Bernstein suggest that we follow the money Kennah Dec 2011 #4
Interesting that all of his staff use and he and his brother use and MindMover Dec 2011 #5
I have smoked pot on an almost daily basis for over 35 years. roody Dec 2011 #6
It is a myth. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #7
Your experience is definitely your own as is everyone who uses substances of any kind..... MindMover Dec 2011 #10
Gosh That's an interesting site you have there. hootinholler Dec 2011 #14
About that NIH funding... boppers Dec 2011 #19
thank you for the link....... MindMover Dec 2011 #32
I think the main problem MMJ discussions have are factual distortions. boppers Dec 2011 #35
Maybe because the goals of NIH are not what people think they are.....or MindMover Dec 2011 #39
I know that you read every link and substantive study on marijuana on the link I provided.....in 1hr MindMover Dec 2011 #21
let's look at the stats for those who go into treatment for cannabis RainDog Dec 2011 #24
I totally agree with your summation about treatment for marijuana and avoidance of jail time...... MindMover Dec 2011 #26
your link notes cannabis is no more addictive than caffeine RainDog Dec 2011 #20
oh yea boatloads of money, the average hourly wage is around 11 bucks....for drug counseling.... MindMover Dec 2011 #23
I'm not talking about you RainDog Dec 2011 #27
Yes, certain people are making a shitload of money off of prohibition.... MindMover Dec 2011 #29
I suppose I don't quite understand this statement, then RainDog Dec 2011 #33
I have already explained myself in other replies..... MindMover Dec 2011 #37
Indeed!! CanSocDem Dec 2011 #42
There is no habituation effect to THC. GliderGuider Dec 2011 #8
The stuff you smoked in Nam had a THC content of 7-8%...... MindMover Dec 2011 #11
Users quickly learn to titrate for the desired dose. GliderGuider Dec 2011 #12
I am not arguing your point of recreational substance use for various individual reasons..... MindMover Dec 2011 #13
OK, we have no major disagreements GliderGuider Dec 2011 #15
My experience has been that I have seen many clients/patients that have some minor MindMover Dec 2011 #41
it is totally disingenuous to compare cannabis to huffing gasoline RainDog Dec 2011 #18
Comparing substances is what I do to learn about them so that I can be more MindMover Dec 2011 #25
Because the govt doesn't want to study those who are regular users RainDog Dec 2011 #28
Thank you for these links, I have some good reading to do over these holidays..... MindMover Dec 2011 #31
there were 2700 separate studies published in 2009 RainDog Dec 2011 #34
I agree with everything you wrote with this exception..... MindMover Dec 2011 #36
something that is processed would qualify as a drug, imo RainDog Dec 2011 #40
a study of patients with MS found no increase in dosage - i.e. no tolerance RainDog Dec 2011 #16
When you can't get high anymore, it's time to take a break. DCKit Dec 2011 #30
I didn't watch this series but, it is fredamae Dec 2011 #9
didn't see this RainDog Dec 2011 #17
Total legalization of it would destroy his business model. boppers Dec 2011 #22
Money trumps doing the right thing - yet again - as always under capitalism slay Dec 2011 #38
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