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In reply to the discussion: Students Across the Nation are Planning Something Unprecedented to End Student Debt Forever [View all]Recursion
(56,582 posts)131. Looking back, I wrote that really badly.
Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:35 PM - Edit history (1)
On your understanding, is there any adverse consequence to a bank that makes a loan that goes bad?Sure, they lose out on the interest they were expecting, for one.
If that were true, banks would delight in lending to, for example, high-risk-high-reward startups.
Sounds like a decent description of 2007....
Can you provide a citation for the proposition that major banks don't use double-entry bookkeeping?
Sorry, I realized I was saying that entirely wrong. They use it internally all the time. When they originate a $10K loan, they enter $10K to their assets (the loan) and $10K to their liabilities (the deposit account they put it in), so that sums to zero like everything else. That $10K account deposit becomes a car (or whatever) and so disappears from their liabilities pretty quickly; the $10K asset of the loan disappears as it is paid off (along with interest, which goes to the bank's capital). In this sense the principles of double-entry are violated, since they should go away at the same time, but AFAIK they still use it (and that "carrying" difference is where their assets come from). If the government were to cancel that asset (the loan), then that would be a loss to the bank, but it's (presumably) combined with a simultaneous cancellation of that hold on their reserves (ie, if the $10K loan is cancelled, the bank can now loan out $10K more than it could yesterday). The breaking of double-entry happens with their reserve account (because a $10K loan cancels $250 of reserve deposits, not $10K), not within the bank itself.
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Students Across the Nation are Planning Something Unprecedented to End Student Debt Forever [View all]
dixiegrrrrl
Oct 2015
OP
Bernie deserves a lot of credit for addressing this national issue loudly and
libdem4life
Oct 2015
#3
+1! Killing people for profit. Creating a new and never ending supply of enemies.
Enthusiast
Oct 2015
#94
^^^ This right fucking here! ^^^ MAKE WALL STREET FUCKING PAY FOR IT! They
ChisolmTrailDem
Oct 2015
#76
Educating our young is arguably the most important responsibility a society holds.
Xithras
Oct 2015
#135
The taxpayer made the majority of student loans outstanding. Who's going to pay for it?
Yo_Mama
Oct 2015
#12
What does come to, 1 less war to pay for. That would be hard to handle. On one hand we can a war
LiberalArkie
Oct 2015
#20
You say it's not a problem from the point of view of the overall economy, but....
Jim Lane
Oct 2015
#90
But fractional reserve is specifically not double-entry; that's the whole point.
Recursion
Oct 2015
#123
Any money that "flows thu the system" is grabbed by the 1% and never trickles down.
dixiegrrrrl
Oct 2015
#124
No, I am saying I pay my bills including my student loans and I am proud I did.
leftofcool
Oct 2015
#53
So let's see if we can guess your point. You paid off your debt therefore all students should have
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#34
It's always easy to blame the victims. Those people that use the payday loans should be
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#35
That isn't a very empathetic feeling. We as a society have some responsibility to help
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#58
Do you think payday loan companies should exist? I don't. At one time it was against
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#133
dear ignorant students- nothing is "free" - somebody has to pay for your "free" schooling nt
msongs
Oct 2015
#15
That's why you oppose this? A pedantic concern over the definition of "free"
Taitertots
Oct 2015
#40
Student loans were never an issue when people could get good jobs to pay them off.
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#22
They should vote against Clinton that would ship more jobs overseas. We need jobs for
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#37
I remember when the mob made loans like that, now the banks do. And I am disappointed that posters
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#38
An educated populace is a public good. We used to know that. Now we are eating our
tblue37
Oct 2015
#69
Higher education needs to be either free or low-cost. The bankers are already cash-bloated.
Dont call me Shirley
Oct 2015
#45
When I started college, they had special programs to help women get an education.
dixiegrrrrl
Oct 2015
#62
funded by extra tax on Banking execs and Hedge fund managers - commutation tax
Bill USA
Oct 2015
#134