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In reply to the discussion: If your gun is used in a crime, you should be charged with a felony. [View all]mythology
(9,527 posts)186. I'm in favor of drastically reducing the number of guns and think the NRA is worthless
But this isn't viable. I would be fine with saying that if a gun is either left unsecured, or is stolen but not reported as such, holding the owner responsible.
I think guns should be licensed individually, nobody needs a high capacity magazine, gun owners should be required to take regular tests (both gun and driver's licenses should be much harder to get). I think gun shops and manufacturers should be held legally responsible for not enacting better safety mechanisms or requiring individually identifying rifling on each gun or have a history of straw purchases. But there's no legal justification for saying that if something properly secured is stolen, that the original owner is legally at fault for the illegal use.
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If your gun is used in a crime, you should be charged with a felony. [View all]
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
OP
That sure will cut down on straw purchases by honest gunners buying for the criminals.
-none
Oct 2015
#1
Guns are not like any other product. They are designed to kill. Period. Usually as efficiently
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#74
Their original and functional purpose is to kill. target shooting is merely practice for it.
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#81
No, they were designed for killing/ maiming, and that is still their only function.
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#85
Neo-confederate gun nuts, in the basement, clutching guns wating for end times, but bored
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#92
Look, if you didn't drop out of school to study guns, you'd understand that
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#98
I agree. While the idea may sound like it will solve some problems to some, it would be a total...
BlueJazz
Oct 2015
#135
"Guns aren't designed to kill" is inaccurate. That is the function for which they were invented, silly.
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#183
and again, John, it's you that is wrong because intent-in-design is not some nebulous concept...
Chan790
Oct 2015
#194
yes, functional items items are designed with intent as to the function. It's not a nose scratcher..
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#201
Guns are designed to kill. They can also be used to shoot stuff. If your fancy gun
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#83
"designed to propel a projectile under pressure down a steel hollow tube" you mean like the shit the
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#88
And the NRA hasn't read the OP. Instead you show pictures of fancy guns. He thought he was fancy too
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#95
a question I like to ask the NRA about the slaughter they impose on America
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#96
Do you really think guns would have been invented if there had been no need
passiveporcupine
Oct 2015
#110
How many gun fanciers would be happy with target shooters like that vs. ARs? Not many.
Hoyt
Oct 2015
#124
Anyone who makes a straw purchase for someone they know is ineligible ain't "honest."
Lizzie Poppet
Oct 2015
#162
when deiberate use of car for death is killing 80,000 deaths a year we can
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#8
I think unsecured guns that hurt someone should be jail time. But if in a safe not an issue. nt
Logical
Oct 2015
#9
Nope, you own the gun - you secure it. If your safe is stolen or opened, you pay the price.
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#18
if you can't keep your gun safe, you pay the price. Gun isn't like a TV.
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#100
When cars are designed, purchased to kill 80,000 a year we can change the subject to cars
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#14
Each year, guns in the US kill 3 times the entire US population. I read it on the internet - I think
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#137
When people steal cars to kill and injure 100,000 a year, we'll talk. Until then you are just
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#5
Interesting - someone proposes sensible legislation to deal with irresponsible gun ownership
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#104
Just another gun nut too lazy and too weak to take care of their guns. After all
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#134
If her late husband is the owner. No. The point is moot. If she owns the gun, then
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#10
Gun owners are not responsible if they can't keep a reasonable inventory of their firearms
alcibiades_mystery
Oct 2015
#15
Exactly - gun owners are not mature enough to secure their weapons and take responsiblity
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#19
I own firearms and have an inventory of everything I own with serial numbers and pictures.
Waldorf
Oct 2015
#63
So because a 70 year old woman in someone's fantasy, has her dead husbands gun stolen,
-none
Oct 2015
#24
she should turn in the gun if she doesn't want the responsibility. and register it in her own name
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#82
well, if there were laws about it, they'd sure as shit stop treating it so carelessly....
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#166
first we'd have to enact laws, and then she could do the right thing. and then maybe yahoos would
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#170
Which means the 85 to 90% of guns used in crimes were sold by good guys to bad guys.
-none
Oct 2015
#136
I'm pretty sure every liablility insurance would have one of those fine print things that says they
Waldorf
Oct 2015
#31
So the idea is to inconvenience the very gun owners least likely to cause harm.
Lizzie Poppet
Oct 2015
#163
The NRA as the victim? Ironic. NRA taking responsiblity for their guns? Priceless.
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#62
Good option, keep in mind what I am proposing is no violation of 2nd amendment either
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#44
But there is still nothing to prevent the mom who thinks giving their kid their gun teaches them
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#61
My guns are already insured for theft, fire, and accidental discharge through our homeowner's ins.
NickB79
Oct 2015
#156
Sounds good but let me ask you this. Do you have stuff around the house that you haven't used
Waldorf
Oct 2015
#49
Part of your proposal is unclear to me: would the $1000/$5000 fine automatically
petronius
Oct 2015
#26
If you lose the gun, you disclose. The incentive of later jail should encourage disclosure
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#39
Methinks you'll have to get rid of that pesky 2A before your police-state fantasies could ever
jonno99
Oct 2015
#67
Nope, no change to existing laws regarding ownership. No 2A problem. Just as a felon cannot
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#79
"if your gun is used in a crime, you become a felon." Sorry, at best someone could be
jonno99
Oct 2015
#181
Apparantly we have many worried people here who expect to lose their guns...
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#32
What to think of someone who thinks this topic is entertaining...? Perhaps NRA would be the
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#57
No, I'm just not going to get trapped in a childish contest with you. NRA should prove they are
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#76
NRA wants everyone to get screened but not gun owners? Can't blame NRA, most are nuts.
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#80
If a gun under your control is used in a murder, you think you should get a reward for that?
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#128
stolen property not reported stolen is under your control. I think the victims are dead,
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#131
Worst thing I've heard recently is giving your emotionally disturbed kids access to guns
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#50
Daddies think guns, shooting silhouette targets the resemble people, etc., builds character in kids.
Hoyt
Oct 2015
#125
8 year old should have been ARMED. And 11 year old should get capital murder charge...
lostnfound
Oct 2015
#112
There should definitely be some tough penalties for not being the mythical "responsible" gun owner.
Hoyt
Oct 2015
#126
A gun owner who lets his gun fall into the hands of a criminal isn't responsible. The fear from gun
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#148
And also your car!! Because of course as a car owner you are responsible for its misuse???
Yo_Mama
Oct 2015
#140
When people start buying cars to kill other people, we can talk about cars. The topic isn't cars
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#141
People buy guns to kill other people. Lethal force is only purpose. Gun companies brag about
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#149
When someone tries to tell you a gun and a car are the same things... you know you are
whereisjustice
Oct 2015
#146
I'm in favor of drastically reducing the number of guns and think the NRA is worthless
mythology
Oct 2015
#186