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magical thyme

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28. with all due respect, I'll believe Elizabeth Warren before I believe any anonymous poster
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 06:27 PM
Oct 2015

ISDS would allow foreign companies to challenge U.S. laws — and potentially to pick up huge payouts from taxpayers — without ever stepping foot in a U.S. court. Here’s how it would work. Imagine that the United States bans a toxic chemical that is often added to gasoline because of its health and environmental consequences. If a foreign company that makes the toxic chemical opposes the law, it would normally have to challenge it in a U.S. court. But with ISDS, the company could skip the U.S. courts and go before an international panel of arbitrators. If the company won, the ruling couldn’t be challenged in U.S. courts, and the arbitration panel could require American taxpayers to cough up millions — and even billions — of dollars in damages.

If that seems shocking, buckle your seat belt. ISDS could lead to gigantic fines, but it wouldn’t employ independent judges. Instead, highly paid corporate lawyers would go back and forth between representing corporations one day and sitting in judgment the next. Maybe that makes sense in an arbitration between two corporations, but not in cases between corporations and governments. If you’re a lawyer looking to maintain or attract high-paying corporate clients, how likely are you to rule against those corporations when it’s your turn in the judge’s seat?

If the tilt toward giant corporations wasn’t clear enough, consider who would get to use this special court: only international investors, which are, by and large, big corporations. So if a Vietnamese company with U.S. operations wanted to challenge an increase in the U.S. minimum wage, it could use ISDS. But if an American labor union believed Vietnam was allowing Vietnamese companies to pay slave wages in violation of trade commitments, the union would have to make its case in the Vietnamese courts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kill-the-dispute-settlement-language-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership/2015/02/25/ec7705a2-bd1e-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html

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Oh, yeah, the TTIP is going to end public water systems, British National Health Service, etc. Hoyt Oct 2015 #1
Water privatisation in England and Wales Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #2
Has nothing to do with TTIP, though. If countries are trying to pass the upfront investment Hoyt Oct 2015 #4
Oh......... you have links to your assertation ? Ichingcarpenter Oct 2015 #5
They don't care nationalize the fed Oct 2015 #6
Treaties have had similar dispute mechanisms since 1959. People are reading junk into these Hoyt Oct 2015 #16
And that is why you have nothing to back up your claims but more baseless claims. Rex Oct 2015 #18
No, the poster gave me links that have nothing to do with trade agreements. Hoyt Oct 2015 #23
Don't waste your time. Rex Oct 2015 #19
Right leaning governments that get into power in many of the 'socialist' countries routinely try to Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #7
But that is different from trade agreements. I agree privatization is usually bad, unless Hoyt Oct 2015 #17
Nestle's CEO is on record as saying people don't have a right to water and all water should be magical thyme Oct 2015 #25
No it won't. A company might be able to sue if a local government encouraged them to come in and Hoyt Oct 2015 #27
with all due respect, I'll believe Elizabeth Warren before I believe any anonymous poster magical thyme Oct 2015 #28
Sure, is Warren still telling us the TPP will be secret 4 years after approved by Congress? Hoyt Oct 2015 #29
Wait, you mean you don't trust some anonymous internet poster brentspeak Oct 2015 #30
... lamp_shade Oct 2015 #3
Water is already being privatized in the US. Frackers love it. And Obama has made it even easier RiverLover Oct 2015 #8
Imagine the most horrifically evil scheme that a Marvel Comics villain could devise... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #9
Not only is he doing "God's work". raouldukelives Oct 2015 #12
I live in an area where good, clean water is plentiful and PotatoChip Oct 2015 #10
Peter Brabeck-Letmathe... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #13
Sickening, isn't it? PotatoChip Oct 2015 #14
I don't know where the OP is from but this has been happening to years. Stop paying your water bill kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #11
A nasty remark void of any depth... Oilwellian Oct 2015 #15
Basic human needs like water? KamaAina Oct 2015 #20
All we need to do to see this in practice is look at what the jwirr Oct 2015 #21
Obviously humans don't need water. Rex Oct 2015 #22
Social Darwinism on turbo AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #24
These trade deals are nothing short of a coup attempt by big multinational corporations AZ Progressive Oct 2015 #26
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