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Sivart

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Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #50)

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 03:27 PM

Oct 2015

This link is about paper and ink.

Is your point that we can have states put excessive taxes on cigarettes but not guns and ammo? That is complete BS.

Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that we cannot afford to hand over any more money to the insurance industry.

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We've maybe not seen it simplified like this: Comparing Car purchases and Gun Purchases [View all] Mira Oct 2015 OP

Im fine with this Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #1

And mandate that no vehicle be capable of going faster than the national speed limit, of course. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #2

And mandate that no vehicle be capable of going faster than the national speed limit, of course. The CCC Oct 2015 #26

Now now... Don't be unreasonable... TipTok Oct 2015 #106

Lawbreakers include those driving 71 mph in zones marked ''70.'' Octafish Oct 2015 #58

A-yup. Lots of people willing to legislate when it won't affect them. n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #59

It would leave about 1-percent of the country eligible for guns. Octafish Oct 2015 #68

Evidence? demwing Oct 2015 #102

Drive down the highway at the posted speed limit and count cars. Octafish Oct 2015 #110

Is that what you're responding to? My Bad demwing Oct 2015 #111

I was. I consider those who violate the speed laws to be lawbreakers. Octafish Oct 2015 #116

Some, not all. demwing Oct 2015 #118

I neither know about guns or cars, Mira Oct 2015 #3

But if it saves just one life, isn't it worth it? n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #5

Yet, vehicles are very proficient at taking thousands of lives a year, GGJohn Oct 2015 #6

A corvette is deaigned for speed Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #7

When you say "our speed limit", to whom are you referring? n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #29

Perfectly legal to speed at the drag strip. Plus there are instances, albeit rare ones, where MillennialDem Oct 2015 #79

Actually, snarky response aside, I think you're wrong. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #8

When is the last time a truck barreled down a boardwalk at 80 mph... Human101948 Oct 2015 #36

Trucks for EVERYONE demwing Oct 2015 #103

When has an assault rifle EVER *willfully* taken a life on its own?? Just ONE LINK where one of Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #17

Car accidents are why there is insurance. KittyWampus Oct 2015 #69

Maybe you didn't read the exact wording that I responded to.. here they are... Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #86

I'll give up my 240HP **4 CYLINDER** built out Acura Integra when they pry my cold, dead hands Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #16

I see what you did there Skittles Oct 2015 #52

It's a gift... or a curse... I haven't decided yet, but sometimes these things just pop in my head Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #87

There are speed limit laws. That takes care of that. cui bono Oct 2015 #18

The end result might be more people dying from 300 HP then 150...so good point! Rex Oct 2015 #61

Fine with me, I won't drive anything built after the early 2000s ever. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #78

Wanna buy my restored 66 Chevelle Super Sport? GGJohn Oct 2015 #90

Actually I don't like 60s/70s cars. I like late 80s - early 2000s cars. And as a bonus, my 383 MillennialDem Oct 2015 #98

Nice!!!!! GGJohn Oct 2015 #108

No we shouldn't Reter Oct 2015 #113

Here's a clue as to why it's different, GGJohn Oct 2015 #4

Doesn't matter. Requiring insurance doesn't take away the right to bear arms. cui bono Oct 2015 #20

Requiring insurance will also accomplish little, if anything. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #38

Here's some more clues ... Martin Eden Oct 2015 #35

If no CC then I agree, but i think CC holders need some instruction. The 2 idiots.... Logical Oct 2015 #117

Actually, I do agree that CC needs classroom and practical training, GGJohn Oct 2015 #120

Hey! We agree on something! Probably more than not! :-) Logical Oct 2015 #121

Here, GGJohn Oct 2015 #122

I agree.... Logical Oct 2015 #123

Looking over the responses Mira Oct 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Oct 2015 #10

Guns aren't the issue. We're waiting on the Gun Control side to catch on. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #11

Posting a graphic in a discussion group usually results in discussion of said graphic friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #12

Insurance is the way to go. cui bono Oct 2015 #19

It would be cheap, not cover criminal acts (no insurance does), and probably provided by the NRA... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #39

people who cannot admit there is a problem, there's no point even talking to them Skittles Oct 2015 #23

People who cannot admit that some problems defy easy solutions....... pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #28

The problem is: jack_krass Oct 2015 #77

EXHIBIT NUMBER 847593 Skittles Oct 2015 #83

Where did you get your degree in telepsychology? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #93

This simplification has been seen countless times. It is not a valid comparison. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #13

Pointing out that one can drive pretty much anywhere after getting a license, nor... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #14

You can'rt drive inside any building other than a parking garage. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #104

True, but you still get to drive in all fifty states friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #114

I'd make that trade. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #119

Why? Mira Oct 2015 #15

It compares apples and oranges. NutmegYankee Oct 2015 #31

You may not like some of the results. Straw Man Oct 2015 #32

Controllers forget that the NRA is a major insuror of gun owners, and would love the new business friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #40

Very simple really angrychair Oct 2015 #21

"not once has a private citizen CC gun owner...stopped or even attempted to stop...a killer" Wrong: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #44

Now that is a plan. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #22

The NRA is one of the largest, if not *the* largest, underwriters of gun insurance in the US... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #42

Exactly. nt cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #46

What problem will mandatory insurance solve? hack89 Oct 2015 #43

We should require all owners of guns to have insurance to cover any losses, whether due JDPriestly Oct 2015 #55

No insurance will pay for criminal acts, nor will it pay for the actions of third parties... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #56

That is why I point out that this "insurance" would be more of an indemnification fund JDPriestly Oct 2015 #57

You do realize that financial penalties to discourage exercising a enumerated right is a no-no... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #64

Still irrelevant to stopping gun deaths hack89 Oct 2015 #60

The insurance companies should be required to include all the risk of damages by guns JDPriestly Oct 2015 #62

You can't force them to pay out for crime hack89 Oct 2015 #63

"(In my view), all gun owners should pay to indemnify the losses of those hurt by guns." friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #66

Individual gun owner insurance policies Turbineguy Oct 2015 #107

"Reasonable" hack89 Oct 2015 #109

Actually I agree with you Turbineguy Oct 2015 #112

Hey! Cars aren't used to intentionally take out great numbers of lives. C Moon Oct 2015 #24

Except when they are; A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #30

Did you read? I said they weren't CREATED for that purpose. Oh boy. It just never stops. C Moon Oct 2015 #72

BwaAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Really? Seriously? Your post is just up there ^ A HERETIC I AM Oct 2015 #73

And yet again this giant heaping of bull. Angleae Oct 2015 #25

trigger locks MasonDreams Oct 2015 #27

Your analogy implies anyone could own unregistered machine guns on private property; even felons aikoaiko Oct 2015 #33

Oh Noes! They're coming to take away OUR CARS!!!! N/t lostnfound Oct 2015 #34

Insurance.... Sivart Oct 2015 #37

In this context, insurance is not supposed to solve a problem hack89 Oct 2015 #41

then make the guns more expensive Sivart Oct 2015 #48

Constitutionally verboten, per the Supremes: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #50

??? Sivart Oct 2015 #53

There is no enumerated right to own cigarettes or alcohol. There *is* one to own guns friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #67

No, that's really just what lobbyists say is an enumerated right. Now, before you MillennialDem Oct 2015 #82

I heard you out. I'll leave estimates of your mental health to others. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #92

LOL - when you can't argue the facts, engage in ad homs. MillennialDem Oct 2015 #101

Or regulate gun manufacturers like the Repubs have regulated women's health care facilities LonePirate Oct 2015 #54

The taxpayers pay hundreds of billions to pay for the damage guns cause ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #70

Several problems with that hack89 Oct 2015 #71

Several replies ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #74

Huge difference between paying out for a Sandy Hook and a car accident hack89 Oct 2015 #75

Let me get this staight. ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #76

They won't cover crimes. No insurance company will hack89 Oct 2015 #81

The payout debunks your claim ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #85

Doesn't matter. You still propose financial penalties in order to limit an enumerated right friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #91

Ah, drop the arguments and try a new one with an irrelevant link ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #96

Do you really suppose that gun owners will merely sit on their hands while you gouge them? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #95

More drivers than gun owners ThoughtCriminal Oct 2015 #97

Drivers don't vote at nearly the rate of gun owners, who turn out when motivated friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #115

I've purchased three or so cars in my life. Dr. Strange Oct 2015 #45

It refers to driver's licenses there. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #105

how about "operator licensing" for each as well? DrDan Oct 2015 #47

'Shall-issue', good in all 50 states? I'm cool with that... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #49

Gun "culture" LOL folks, aint giving up their toy, the fact that their toy randys1 Oct 2015 #51

With people with your mindset opposing them, they'll never have to... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #65

10 years ago: "gays lobbying for gay marriage instead of civil unions are going to make it MillennialDem Oct 2015 #84

I was unaware DOMA was a constitutional admendment Travis_0004 Oct 2015 #88

Change enough people's minds and vote enough progressives into office (and put enough judges on MillennialDem Oct 2015 #99

You can drive in all fifty states... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #80

And licenses are "shall-issue" if you pass the test and background check and pay the fee friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #94

OTOH would you like those same rules for an email account? Recursion Oct 2015 #89

Makes sense to me treestar Oct 2015 #100