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Warren DeMontague

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86. Right, and you choose to blame "the drug abuse population" for the drug war.

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:29 PM

Oct 2015

And the situation we have now, where patients endure agonizing pain because their doctors live in terror of the DEA.

Because the primary concern is making sure that anyone who catches an unauthorized buzz pays for it with a decade or two in prison.

That's how we get situations like Richard Paey, the man who was dragged off to prison in his wheelchair for a 25 year mandatory minimum prison sentence for trying to manage his own spinal pain.

See, unlike you, i don't blame "the drug abuse population" for the authoritarian clusterfuck that is the drug war. That results in babies getting flash bang grenades thrown in their cribs, or college students being locked in DEA interrogation rooms for 5 days with no food or water because they were caught smoking pot at a fraternity party.

No, I blame the people who support and enable the stupid fucking drug war itself. Full stop.

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Chronic Pain Sufferers are being screwed by the.. [View all] bobGandolf Oct 2015 OP

There is a chronic pain population who suffer as a result of over regulation of narcotics. FarPoint Oct 2015 #1

If drug abuse wasn't considered to be a crime Mariana Oct 2015 #2

The drug abuse population do comit crimes to feed their addiction and much more. FarPoint Oct 2015 #3

And alcoholics would commit crimes too if their alcohol were restricted like opiates fasttense Oct 2015 #8

Yup. Prohibition gave rise to organized crime. KamaAina Oct 2015 #72

Aw jeez - that really sucks. It is unconscionable in this day and age that this is allowed to go on. jonno99 Oct 2015 #76

The crime is almost entirely caused by prohibition. Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #10

Fixed that fer ya. The crime is entirely caused by prohibition. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #16

Nah there probably exists one addict who Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #21

Wait. You didn't fix it. Recursion Oct 2015 #50

Yeah, but basically what that guy is trying to do upthread is float a bunch of apologia for the drug Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #61

The component you're missing here is how did all these peolpe become opiate addicts... ion_theory Oct 2015 #11

The problem with that is... bobGandolf Oct 2015 #87

Except...there is a better approach XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #12

The other problem is lawmakers who fuck around making medical regulations elehhhhna Oct 2015 #92

You think alcoholics don't commit a lot of crimes? Mariana Oct 2015 #25

The issue of discussion is not about alcoholism.... FarPoint Oct 2015 #26

The fact that some people become addicted to a particular drug Mariana Oct 2015 #31

If the attitude about other drugs were the same as for alcohol chronic pain sufferers would benefit Fumesucker Oct 2015 #34

It's not that so many people can't see it. Mariana Oct 2015 #80

No, because you decided to make the thread about "the drug abuse population". Alcohol is a drug. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #56

Amazing how many people like to pretend Mariana Oct 2015 #69

it fucks up the narrative. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #74

It's about chronic pain individuals not able to.... FarPoint Oct 2015 #75

Right, and you choose to blame "the drug abuse population" for the drug war. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #86

So you'd let people in pain suffer because you're mad someone may get an unauthorized buzz? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #51

They should be sentenced to treatment center. bobGandolf Oct 2015 #68

I've given up. I was told that hydracodone which is effective at relieving my back pain, would CTyankee Oct 2015 #6

Lyrica made me XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #13

what is it? Why hasn't my rheumatologist tried it? CTyankee Oct 2015 #15

voltaren is great, definitely ask about it Kali Oct 2015 #82

I take Lyrica and Tramodol, but also a stone extended release opiate as I am allergic to Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #24

NSAIDs have demolished my stomach. hunter Oct 2015 #33

I am violently allergic to opiates so I was given Tramadol after my smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #44

it is better for more chronic joint or muscle pain Kali Oct 2015 #83

There is not much evidence that opiates used Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #17

It's my limited understand... FarPoint Oct 2015 #28

yup, and for some uses, for example post surgery, Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 #35

Insightful! FarPoint Oct 2015 #36

well, after surgery I was told unequivically that I was automatically addicted just by using CTyankee Oct 2015 #37

No one ever suggested I would become addicted by using hydrocodone for pain. Ms. Toad Oct 2015 #45

And the fact of the matter is, our prohibitionary regime doesnt stop addicts AND it Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #60

Your fact about opiates for pain relief, seems to never get noticed.... bobGandolf Nov 2015 #100

I think it may be a PR move. bobGandolf Oct 2015 #67

Yes, they suffer like richard paey, the wheelchair bound man sentenced to 25 years in prison Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #52

What a crazy story Generic Other Oct 2015 #64

He went through the wringer but was eventually, rightly, pardoned by Charlie Crist. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #66

OH YES, I agree n/t bobGandolf Nov 2015 #103

I have some friends, a PA and a practical nurse, who both say that is why the heroin problem MiniMe Oct 2015 #4

Prohibition was a disaster XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #18

the other side of the coin shanti Oct 2015 #91

Not sure why, but a good number of highly educated... bobGandolf Nov 2015 #104

Between a rock and a hard place... XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #5

WTF - legislation limiting daily opiate levels for patients in need? I want to fucking scream randys1 Oct 2015 #77

I'm one of those madokie Oct 2015 #7

I Feel so Lucky to live in Colorado! blondie58 Oct 2015 #9

It should be legal everywhere... XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #23

That is true, XenaAmazon. But it is much safer than alcohol. It Should be legal- its just a plant. blondie58 Oct 2015 #30

I havent tried topical cannabis for localized pain, but I have heard it can help too. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #62

Both of your links are from Florida. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #14

That's surely part of it XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #22

My wife dismisses patients all the times that sell their Rx's....it does happen...OFTEN ileus Oct 2015 #19

After very aggressive surgery, I was forced to go to four different pharmacies Glimmer of Hope Oct 2015 #20

Just shut up and suffer in silence! Helen Borg Oct 2015 #27

I have a good friend with chronic pain.. mountain grammy Oct 2015 #29

I don't know how FlaGranny Oct 2015 #32

With all due respect, I have had chronic muscle pain for more than 3 decades, Ms. Toad Oct 2015 #47

Sorry you took it FlaGranny Oct 2015 #65

Meanwhile, the asshole doctors continue to prescribe fluoroquinolone antibiotics... roamer65 Oct 2015 #38

Meanwhile, easier to buy a gun than the Pseudoephedrine I need for allergies JCMach1 Oct 2015 #39

Can you even buy it at all anymore? randys1 Oct 2015 #78

I have given up on expecting and pain relief Puzzledtraveller Oct 2015 #40

Ahh, so rightwing, childish people telling doctors how to doctor. I feel for you, those randys1 Oct 2015 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Oct 2015 #41

Not just chronic pain, but acute pain as well. Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #42

+1 glinda Oct 2015 #43

Related Side Note, Frog ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #63

I take two different prescriptions that have to be hand written monthly demtenjeep Oct 2015 #46

In Ohio (and I thought it was federal in origin), we have to have a face to face visit Ms. Toad Oct 2015 #48

How does the rest of the world get by on the 5% of the world's supply of hydrocodone we leave them? Recursion Oct 2015 #49

Lets flip that question around. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you know what the active painkilling Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #53

But all the opiates and opioids are much less widely prescribed outside of the US Recursion Oct 2015 #54

Aren't some opioid drugs available OTC in other countries? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #55

I'm not aware of any Recursion Oct 2015 #57

Okay, then, I don't know. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #58

Well, like I said our health care delivery system is sub-par enough that that might just be it Recursion Oct 2015 #59

I think in this country, in many cases where the person has no insurance, Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #71

In most countries, Tylenol #3 (1/4 grain codeine) is OTC REP Oct 2015 #73

Hearing from so many fellow chronic painers who have difficulties has helped me. bobGandolf Oct 2015 #70

There are MANY MANY of us Paula Sims Oct 2015 #85

Thanks....it was... bobGandolf Oct 2015 #94

So far so good for me Warpy Oct 2015 #81

Sudden withdrawal from opiates is not life threatening. Mariana Oct 2015 #88

It can be in medically unstable people and those are often the ones taking them Warpy Oct 2015 #89

I never said I thought that opiates were the only drugs Mariana Oct 2015 #90

Withdrawal from opiates will not jen63 Oct 2015 #93

My 91-year-old mother is a victim of this insanity. WinkyDink Oct 2015 #84

That is the perfect, 91 years old and they still want to control what kind. bobGandolf Oct 2015 #95

{{{bobGandolf}}} My Mom just passed away last Sunday. In pain as the EMT's took her to the ER. F the WinkyDink Oct 2015 #96

when my mother was slowly slipping away at age 94 and in the hospital I asked them to CTyankee Oct 2015 #97

... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2015 #98

Thank god my mother's hospital didn't do that. I would have started screaming CTyankee Oct 2015 #99

I most certainly agree with ... bobGandolf Nov 2015 #102

The dirty bastards are paying so many of the cartel members as informants Warpy Nov 2015 #101