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Holly_Hobby

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67. No comparison and

Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:19 PM

Oct 2015

I understand that and have no problem at all with your opinion. You will never understand my feelings about dogs. It's ok, it's not important that I be understood.

I have no chemistry with children, I have no maternal instinct with them. My family is full of mental illness, alcoholism, substance abuse and a myriad of other inheritable diseases. Surely my offspring would suffer and I felt it selfish to do that. Obviously my parents were lacking and passed that on to me, since I don't have the ability to enjoy children. They didn't either. You do what you know.

Dogs have always loved me no matter what, something I didn't have as a child. People have never understood that part of me. They can't, they didn't live my childhood. I accept that.

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what do childfree/childless people get instead of "parental leave?" [View all] restorefreedom Oct 2015 OP

As far as I'm concerned, it will make for "better" kids, and a better society. Hoyt Oct 2015 #1

i have no problem with that concept restorefreedom Oct 2015 #5

Sorry, I don't see this as "If you get X, I should get Y thing." trof Oct 2015 #419

but each of us made a life choice. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #428

Theoretically a man who has a newborn should get some time off to spend with his family davidpdx Oct 2015 #507

In the old days rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #519

it should not matter whst the leave is for restorefreedom Oct 2015 #524

Yes it is a life choice. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #603

+1 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #610

Nonsense rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #643

And yet, so many of us seem to have no trouble saying no. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #644

Umm, no cabyio Oct 2015 #628

Sociopathic republican logic eom rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #642

We are below demographic replacement rate. We need to avoid the dreaded inverted Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #606

to some degree, yes restorefreedom Oct 2015 #609

We don't have growth in America. Around 2.1 children is the replacement rate. We hoovering around Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #611

then i guess we are in good shape restorefreedom Oct 2015 #612

As a child-free person, I totally agree Cal Carpenter Oct 2015 #13

I can even support it in a more selfish way -- good kids will be working to pay our Social Security. Hoyt Oct 2015 #223

Yep. And it's like paying taxes for schools, I don't expect to get something else Cal Carpenter Oct 2015 #242

so do you give $10 to everybody you see hfojvt Oct 2015 #382

You might have grown up to be happier if they'd had family leave. Hoyt Oct 2015 #400

my mom was a stay at home mom hfojvt Oct 2015 #585

Not many of those around nowadays, in case you haven't noticed. Hoyt Oct 2015 #587

Then they can have my $10's, your's went to kill that kid in the Mid-East... daleanime Oct 2015 #433

I have no idea what you are talking about hfojvt Oct 2015 #586

No, I'm trying to share honesty...... daleanime Oct 2015 #592

I don't see an unfair idea as a good idea hfojvt Oct 2015 #593

you make a very importan point 'selfishness sells socialism' w0nderer Oct 2015 #506

But like you say, selfishness is OK if directed to the good of everyone. Hoyt Oct 2015 #542

Because Snow Leopard Oct 2015 #366

so the extra money I pay hfojvt Oct 2015 #381

Yep, the next - and happier - generation will cure your diseases, pay your Social Security, etc. Hoyt Oct 2015 #401

And, in the more intermediate term ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #406

There's that too. Hoyt Oct 2015 #464

so you want to rob me now hfojvt Oct 2015 #584

Robbery? ... A protection racket? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #590

I see it as free stuff going to other people hfojvt Oct 2015 #594

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #596

Several people on this thread Bettie Oct 2015 #616

For a while now, it seems that (some) DUers pine for the '50s model in a number of ways ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #618

Maybe it is about loss of privilege Bettie Oct 2015 #621

I suspect that it is very much about the loss of privilege ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #622

And the realization that other people had different experiences Bettie Oct 2015 #629

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #631

you do realize that restorefreedom Oct 2015 #626

The extra money you pay for what? Education? randys1 Oct 2015 #403

Yes rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #520

Also rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #521

that's very simplistic hfojvt Oct 2015 #583

it's kinda funny hfojvt Oct 2015 #582

You sound rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #588

you sound yourself hfojvt Oct 2015 #595

Amazing I'm in 100% agreement with you on something. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #423

Is it fair to mandate FMLA when some people don't have families? Brickbat Oct 2015 #2

thats why there should be an equivalent benefit imo restorefreedom Oct 2015 #16

Being home with a new baby is not really time away from work. Chemisse Oct 2015 #432

i have no doubt about that. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #438

But it is time away from the work you are being paid for. cabyio Oct 2015 #630

Yes. We all pay school taxes, too. tabasco Oct 2015 #95

Why should i have to pay for sick people, when im healthy? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #205

i don.t agree with health insurance as it is restorefreedom Oct 2015 #215

The entire premise of health insurance is that the healthy people pay for the sick. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #221

actually, i believe in single payer restorefreedom Oct 2015 #226

I believe in single payer, too. But i also realize that chasing after "fairness" in such situations Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #233

agree with you on single payer restorefreedom Oct 2015 #236

You have the wrong insurance company mythology Oct 2015 #354

wow that sounds great restorefreedom Oct 2015 #355

Breast cancer survivor here. phylny Oct 2015 #405

FMLA is Family AND Medical Leave Act - it applies to the individual as well REP Oct 2015 #284

Same here Betty88 Oct 2015 #408

Good point. Chemisse Oct 2015 #434

I took 10 weeks to help my mom. She did die but what cherished moments yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #439

sorry about your mom restorefreedom Oct 2015 #442

Thank you yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #445

my mom is still with us but is getting older restorefreedom Oct 2015 #448

That certainly is still a benefit for all, though a very sad one to have to go through davidpdx Oct 2015 #508

Do you have parents that could end up needing care? Ilsa Oct 2015 #300

Yes, it can be. Brickbat Oct 2015 #307

Family leave Sanity Claws Oct 2015 #3

Thanks for answering this JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #6

I felt I was lucky enough to work for a company that allowed a non-paid leave MerryBlooms Oct 2015 #426

i agree restorefreedom Oct 2015 #430

That's very kind of you, thank you. MerryBlooms Oct 2015 #455

thanks, you too :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #459

Good answer and makes sense. Thanks. n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #365

You notice your response didn't fit the narrative/agenda, so no response from the OP. MerryBlooms Oct 2015 #420

you do realize that the op restorefreedom Oct 2015 #427

The intent of parental leave is to care for and bond with their children liberal N proud Oct 2015 #4

"What to childless people have that they need extra time for?" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #10

It's saying that caring for a child takes more time than not liberal N proud Oct 2015 #18

there are other worthwhile ways to invest in the community restorefreedom Oct 2015 #29

I think it is probably impossible for you to understand if you are not a parent liberal N proud Oct 2015 #131

We are not talking about the FMLA which gives everyone job protection Squinch Oct 2015 #561

Sanctimonius child-cult bullshit. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #604

It's called experience - the EXPERIENCE of raising a child liberal N proud Oct 2015 #608

It is not time off. Chemisse Oct 2015 #440

it is still an issue of equal compensation restorefreedom Oct 2015 #443

The choice people make to have children, Chemisse Oct 2015 #463

that is one option restorefreedom Oct 2015 #468

Forget talking to you. Clearly you don't have a view that extends beyond yourself. Chemisse Oct 2015 #471

not true at all, but i realize restorefreedom Oct 2015 #473

How do you know? cabyio Oct 2015 #635

^^This^^ dog_lovin_dem Oct 2015 #500

If more people chose not to have children we would all be much better off. Squinch Oct 2015 #562

IT IS cabyio Oct 2015 #634

You have extra time to not change diapers, not get up at 3:00 in the morning snooper2 Oct 2015 #38

what about the term "personal choice" do you not understand? bbgrunt Oct 2015 #94

+ 100 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #103

it's not a personal choice for the child CreekDog Oct 2015 #108

we are not going to agree restorefreedom Oct 2015 #111

you really aren't agreeing with anybody in this thread CreekDog Oct 2015 #167

It is a personal choice for the child? Crunchy Frog Oct 2015 #244

i don't remember anyone suggesting it was. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #251

Wow laundry_queen Oct 2015 #348

i never said the child had a choice restorefreedom Oct 2015 #350

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #531

Family leave, parental etc haikugal Oct 2015 #7

Parent vs Non Parent Rebubula Oct 2015 #8

that is certainly one argument restorefreedom Oct 2015 #19

I'm interested in genuine ideas about how this could be implemented in a way that is fair to everyo catnhatnh Oct 2015 #9

not the same restorefreedom Oct 2015 #14

How do you even it out for people who upaloopa Oct 2015 #11

A clean house? nt Codeine Oct 2015 #12

Every weekend morning ret5hd Oct 2015 #25

Saturday nites with friends ret5hd Oct 2015 #28

R rated movies at home ret5hd Oct 2015 #30

I could go on and on! ret5hd Oct 2015 #31

I gave tidiness, spending money, and the extra bedroom. Codeine Oct 2015 #196

when I was 11 hfojvt Oct 2015 #397

have you actually SEEN my bachelor pad? hfojvt Oct 2015 #395

Childless adults get more SLEEP and more disposable income. ; ) blm Oct 2015 #15

I am childfree get the red out Oct 2015 #17

i like the idea of a bigger tent approach restorefreedom Oct 2015 #22

+1 nt hifiguy Oct 2015 #27

very fair-minded approach. bbgrunt Oct 2015 #99

thx :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #102

I agree get the red out Oct 2015 #279

completely understandable. :) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #286

I want time off when my dogs are sick and/or dying Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #20

exactly restorefreedom Oct 2015 #34

I understand that you've never had children demwing Oct 2015 #40

There are lots of insensitive things that people say about childfree people alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #60

Imagine that! A Bernie supporter and a Hillary supporter agreeing on something demwing Oct 2015 #66

There is no comparison to me Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #71

+100 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #74

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #227

its not about kids vs pets restorefreedom Oct 2015 #72

Thanks n/t Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #78

I wasn't commenting on that alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #81

no one has to take away from parental love restorefreedom Oct 2015 #85

And I know what it's like to lose a child demwing Oct 2015 #106

i am sorry about your loss. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #112

thank you demwing Oct 2015 #118

As the alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #114

I nearly did not demwing Oct 2015 #115

So sorry for your loss Bettie Oct 2015 #176

My heart goes out to any parent that has lost a child demwing Oct 2015 #210

I've lost many pets Prism Oct 2015 #246

Me too. tazkcmo Oct 2015 #617

You never fully recover demwing Oct 2015 #623

So basically you just want more vacation forthemiddle Oct 2015 #161

what is wrong with equal time restorefreedom Oct 2015 #168

No I think I agree with you! forthemiddle Oct 2015 #252

lots of good could be done with it restorefreedom Oct 2015 #253

FYI - I don't disagree here demwing Oct 2015 #269

i think anytime we compare love and care restorefreedom Oct 2015 #271

Damn, you're on to us! Which when I think of it, is petronius Oct 2015 #315

No comparison and Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #67

You may be my long lost sister...LOL davidpdx Oct 2015 #509

I am child-free myself, but please count me out of these whiny, self-absorbed posts CreekDog Oct 2015 #68

I might be misunderstanding, Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #76

Well if you don't consider yourself a victim, then you will not feel slighted CreekDog Oct 2015 #83

it is not really different than what is,available for the most part restorefreedom Oct 2015 #90

Yes, there is jealousy in your post. There is jealousy of something given to benefit a child CreekDog Oct 2015 #96

they should have the time restorefreedom Oct 2015 #98

in other words, you're saying that when they have a baby, they should get 6 weeks to care for it CreekDog Oct 2015 #178

i am saying employees should get some paid time off restorefreedom Oct 2015 #180

so you're saying that if you and they get 4 weeks of vacation per year CreekDog Oct 2015 #187

Oh my gosh no, it's none of my concern why people need time off Holly_Hobby Oct 2015 #190

ugh, mink restorefreedom Oct 2015 #431

nobody's a victim here restorefreedom Oct 2015 #80

The benefit is for the child CreekDog Oct 2015 #86

exactly demwing Oct 2015 #113

It's about equal compensation Somethingtosay Oct 2015 #281

Do you also want permanent income because someone else is disabled elehhhhna Oct 2015 #332

No I dont Somethingtosay Oct 2015 #335

How do you Snow Leopard Oct 2015 #368

There is absolutely no comparison, for you, between your own unique experience being a parent sammythecat Oct 2015 #356

Right... cabyio Oct 2015 #636

how about guinea pigs, how about your garden needs extra attention, snooper2 Oct 2015 #43

it shouldn't matter, that's the point restorefreedom Oct 2015 #52

You are on the side of a losing argument, you want farm subsides for your garden snooper2 Oct 2015 #84

i'm not talking about any of those things. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #93

Umm. Kids or sick family members ar not the same as "other things." Adrahil Oct 2015 #232

we should each get to decide what relationships, beings, or projects restorefreedom Oct 2015 #234

I don't disagree that those things are important. Adrahil Oct 2015 #248

thanks for weighing in with your thoughts. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #250

So, if your co-worker has to take time off Bettie Oct 2015 #302

chemo and babies ....c'mon..false comparison restorefreedom Oct 2015 #312

No. You are saying Bettie Oct 2015 #314

cancer and kids....you don't see a difference restorefreedom Oct 2015 #323

Both are classified as life events Bettie Oct 2015 #336

have a nice evening. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #340

+1000. eom. Bad Thoughts Oct 2015 #390

You might want to dial it back, stop calling others names, and actually respond to the Squinch Oct 2015 #414

+1 tammywammy Oct 2015 #324

No one is saying anything like that. The OP is saying that a chunk of time that is available Squinch Oct 2015 #412

correct restorefreedom Oct 2015 #416

You've struck some kind of nerve with this one. Squinch Oct 2015 #417

most definitely, which surprises me restorefreedom Oct 2015 #422

I am surprised at it too. I am not sure what they think the cost to them would be. Or why Squinch Oct 2015 #425

don't know but from what i have seen restorefreedom Oct 2015 #444

There seems to be a line of reasoning that says, Squinch Oct 2015 #446

the benefits such as more time, disposable income, etc restorefreedom Oct 2015 #451

I am also surprised at some of the hostility toward the OP here. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #533

Yes, the hostility is pretty extreme and illogical, and seems to me to border on hysteria. Squinch Oct 2015 #540

I agree with you on all points. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #541

My favorite is the poster who says, "You don't need it so you don't get it, so deal with it." Squinch Oct 2015 #558

This is actually a good illustration of why giving everyone a chunk of time to use at their Squinch Oct 2015 #411

the extra work often gets overlooked restorefreedom Oct 2015 #418

Really, I think it would be of benefit to everyone. If any of us gets sick ourselves, we can only Squinch Oct 2015 #424

thanks. i have tried numerous times to stress the point restorefreedom Oct 2015 #436

Exactly! smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #534

The FMLA actually covers tending to sick relatives, and covers us all for continuing Squinch Oct 2015 #556

I think it would be great if everyone were allotted time to do volunteer work davidpdx Oct 2015 #510

Did Joe choose to get cancer? Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #605

I took "family leave" to care for a guinea pig with broken teeth Sen. Walter Sobchak Oct 2015 #107

I support this flamingdem Oct 2015 #329

My last boss was ONLY great about my sick/ dying cat. When it came to losing a dear friend..... bettyellen Oct 2015 #58

that is interesting... restorefreedom Oct 2015 #65

I fucking love my dog, but that's rediculous LeftyMom Oct 2015 #101

The point is nobody should be telling other people restorefreedom Oct 2015 #105

That's PTO. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #116

+1 HuckleB Oct 2015 #384

Not really cabyio Oct 2015 #637

I agree with that. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #217

The schneid. Squadoosh, zip, el zilcho and nada. hifiguy Oct 2015 #21

What's next? Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #23

+1 gollygee Oct 2015 #55

^^ This ^^ Myrina Oct 2015 #165

So everyone should be paying fuel tax then, and not just drivers, right? N/T beevul Oct 2015 #303

Are they buying fuel? Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #352

They already do laundry_queen Oct 2015 #353

Having fewer children is ultimately Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #518

Stay classy Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #550

Eminently classy, indeed Facility Inspector Oct 2015 #551

Insults? Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #552

This patent gets passed over for promotion in exchange for parental leave. RandySF Oct 2015 #24

What do we give people who never get sick and never use their sick leave? Xithras Oct 2015 #26

many employers are moving towards a pto system restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37

The PTO model is awful. Xithras Oct 2015 #53

PTO is awful! tammywammy Oct 2015 #193

You are most likely due Lonusca Oct 2015 #202

Nope. Xithras Oct 2015 #371

You may want to consult an employment attorney Lonusca Oct 2015 #407

who does their work then they are gone 21+ days? Skittles Oct 2015 #285

My kid was a few years ago. xmas74 Oct 2015 #333

Parents are making future tax payers The2ndWheel Oct 2015 #32

They are also potentially making more drains on our tax dollars. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #535

even if you don't have children KT2000 Oct 2015 #33

You really want to go down the path that any government benefit extended to one group onenote Oct 2015 #35

being blind is not a voluntary life choice restorefreedom Oct 2015 #39

The leave is to benefit the child CreekDog Oct 2015 #48

No it's not. It's a benefit that parents have. Iris Oct 2015 #494

neither is being deaf onenote Oct 2015 #56

you said in your OP that you weren't knocking those who have kids and aren't trying to pit liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #239

how else would you characterize it other than to say it's a choice? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #245

I'm sure you don't mean this way but it's like when we as liberals defend child liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #268

you are right, i don't mean it that way restorefreedom Oct 2015 #270

But did the children ask to be born? You realize it's for their benefit also? kcr Oct 2015 #370

not trying to take the benefit away from the kids restorefreedom Oct 2015 #373

Your intent doesn't matter kcr Oct 2015 #374

i think the climate could definitely change restorefreedom Oct 2015 #376

Maybe. Ask when it changes. Until then n/t kcr Oct 2015 #378

This message was self-deleted by its author Chemisse Oct 2015 #449

It's a choice that benefits society. Chemisse Oct 2015 #450

i dont disagree restorefreedom Oct 2015 #452

You do realize that the cry for 'me too' jeopardizes parental leave? Chemisse Oct 2015 #456

it is not whenever the whim strikes restorefreedom Oct 2015 #461

It is a choice whether or not to have a child davidpdx Oct 2015 #511

Sick leave is a benefit also but not all get sick. TBF Oct 2015 #36

that's why a general PTO system works best restorefreedom Oct 2015 #42

Bernie doesn't support anything you're posting here CreekDog Oct 2015 #133

Problem is that "PTO" usually isn't enough for anyone who has a family or needs extended sick leave. haele Oct 2015 #149

thanks for sharing that restorefreedom Oct 2015 #159

So sick people can use all their time just to survive, and never get time to get better. HuckleB Oct 2015 #383

i don't have a problem restorefreedom Oct 2015 #387

the leave is for the benefit of the child CreekDog Oct 2015 #41

i'm not against the leave restorefreedom Oct 2015 #45

so you're saying you want leave in order to take care of a child? CreekDog Oct 2015 #54

No one missed that part. This is an benefit for EMPLOYEES. The child is not an employee. Iris Oct 2015 #495

Wait, I've heard this before, I hope you aren't going to complain next that your childless taxes FSogol Oct 2015 #44

I am happy to pay for public schools restorefreedom Oct 2015 #47

"I really don't see the issue" tkmorris Oct 2015 #121

what is wrong with a plan of benefits restorefreedom Oct 2015 #124

so at tax time, are you going to complain that parents are getting larger refunds than you? CreekDog Oct 2015 #183

i have never been dissatisfied with my refund. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #212

It's not like parents are sitting home eating bonbons. Laffy Kat Oct 2015 #46

Exactly. stranger81 Oct 2015 #259

Yes! And the same can be said for caring for a sick parent or other loved one. Laffy Kat Oct 2015 #297

You could look at it this way ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #49

i completely agree restorefreedom Oct 2015 #63

do you want the same amount of leave and in exchange CreekDog Oct 2015 #50

what about people who work in soup kitchens? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #61

ok, then do you support mandatory vacation time as they have in Europe and Canada? CreekDog Oct 2015 #70

what is wrong with it? nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #75

nothing, that's the leave you're looking for, support that kind of law CreekDog Oct 2015 #125

are you seriously suggesting restorefreedom Oct 2015 #128

I'm saying the purpose of parental leave is to care for children CreekDog Oct 2015 #132

why not just call it "leave" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #139

because the purpose is to give parents additional leave CreekDog Oct 2015 #141

Not Canada laundry_queen Oct 2015 #357

sounds like canada restorefreedom Oct 2015 #447

I don't get what the problem is. Squinch Oct 2015 #435

+ 1 and glad you are ok now. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #441

We get to have other peoples' children raised with greater resources (in this case, parental time) eShirl Oct 2015 #51

I'm childless and also pay school district taxes Prism Oct 2015 #57

+1 CreekDog Oct 2015 #73

Pakistan, Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Russia and every other country in the world except prayin4rain Oct 2015 #59

Childless and happy to support family leave. It's going to help create a more humane workplace and bettyellen Oct 2015 #62

+1 CreekDog Oct 2015 #162

Parental leave is a benefit to society... SidDithers Oct 2015 #64

no right winger here restorefreedom Oct 2015 #79

sounds Libertarian actually CreekDog Oct 2015 #87

As a childless person what I'd like to get is temp coverage for my staff who are out on FMLA. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2015 #69

Here in Canada laundry_queen Oct 2015 #358

No doubt, many people lacking children also complain about paying school taxes LanternWaste Oct 2015 #77

that is a false argument for many reasons restorefreedom Oct 2015 #82

Your premise is lacking relevant information LanternWaste Oct 2015 #88

I like it, as a teacher without my own children. Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #89

You want fair? If/When the law is passed, adopt and/or foster a child CreekDog Oct 2015 #91

Douchebag leave? nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #92

Hey, if it's PAID douchebag leave, count me in! nt JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #192

They should get extra money for extra duties if people take time off for whatever reason. alarimer Oct 2015 #97

yes, the bucket idea restorefreedom Oct 2015 #100

because you're purposefully ignoring responses which invalidate your original premise. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #104

tell me what is unfair restorefreedom Oct 2015 #109

I haven't said anything is unfair LanternWaste Oct 2015 #117

i'm being completely rational thank you restorefreedom Oct 2015 #122

As above (purposfully ignored), child leave incentivizes labor market attachment LanternWaste Oct 2015 #126

it is focused in fairness restorefreedom Oct 2015 #129

A cafeteria plan as you say Bettie Oct 2015 #310

the sick/recovery from childbirth restorefreedom Oct 2015 #316

Why can't I take FMLA just because I don't have cancer? LeftyMom Oct 2015 #110

blatantly false comparison restorefreedom Oct 2015 #119

Smoking causes cancer. Smoking is a life choice. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #120

To be that person ... It doesn't have to be cancer to use FMLA REP Oct 2015 #294

I think you won the internet tonight Bettie Oct 2015 #311

The knowledge that they won't be the ones who are GoCubsGo Oct 2015 #123

great response, thanks restorefreedom Oct 2015 #127

All one has to do is remind oneself GoCubsGo Oct 2015 #194

i am sure its no vaca restorefreedom Oct 2015 #249

Paid family leave is for everyone, not just parents frazzled Oct 2015 #130

Yes, exactly this. Very well said. MerryBlooms Oct 2015 #274

Promotions. Marr Oct 2015 #134

Nothing. Throd Oct 2015 #135

Oh ffs. It's not a goody, like an extra piece of cake. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #136

No shit RandySF Oct 2015 #138

well aren't you a fan of elevated discourse restorefreedom Oct 2015 #145

yes, people should get vacation time in addition to parental leave CreekDog Oct 2015 #154

i also support both types restorefreedom Oct 2015 #164

I'd be happy to widen the law for volunteers to wipe asses and shovel food into mouths Bad Thoughts Oct 2015 #155

sadly, there are many neglected ones who need that kind of care. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #171

That person might be you. Bad Thoughts Oct 2015 #186

that's why I think that family leaves should be generous restorefreedom Oct 2015 #228

It should be generous in the face of need and emergency Bad Thoughts Oct 2015 #273

I have no problem with Social Security, Medicaid, or unemployment. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #277

No, I nailed your entire thing in about 8 words. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #189

bwahahahahaha restorefreedom Oct 2015 #218

It would appear Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #225

have a nice day! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #229

For the Win! Myrina Oct 2015 #170

Wel, the only way to make it completely fair Bettie Oct 2015 #137

You get someone funding your Social Security and Medicare when you retire jeff47 Oct 2015 #140

i guess that is something nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #146

some additional prespectives restorefreedom Oct 2015 #142

Why won't you answer why you will not make yourself eligible for the leave by having a kid CreekDog Oct 2015 #147

I don't have to justify my reasons for not having a child restorefreedom Oct 2015 #153

Nobody cares why you choose not to have a child, just stop asking for parental leave CreekDog Oct 2015 #157

simple solution restorefreedom Oct 2015 #182

if we had nationally guaranteed leave time for vacation CreekDog Oct 2015 #185

i think a few weeks (or whatever i am not a dr) recuperative time for mom restorefreedom Oct 2015 #230

how about government mandated maternity leave? CreekDog Oct 2015 #339

actually it is about expansion, not reduction restorefreedom Oct 2015 #342

i asked a question: government required parental leave, government required vacation and sick time CreekDog Oct 2015 #343

if by required restorefreedom Oct 2015 #345

That is the one good point that has come out of this thread davidpdx Oct 2015 #514

A better society. (n/t) Iggo Oct 2015 #143

We get to do their work while they're on leave. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #144

i tried not to even go there restorefreedom Oct 2015 #148

it's an issue. in most countries the workload is reasonable so people can do a little extra geek tragedy Oct 2015 #150

yes, and without additional compensation no doubt. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #175

Where do you work? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #208

legal field. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #211

So- this is a serious question, not snark- how does family leave impact your work situation? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #213

my area not so much because it's several attorneys per case geek tragedy Oct 2015 #219

And in return, that child grows up to pay the taxes that will support you. jeff47 Oct 2015 #151

but we paid into the system as well. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #156

You get out more than you pay in. jeff47 Oct 2015 #163

that's an awfully attenuated, theoretical payback nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #158

And it's how Social Security and Medicare work. jeff47 Oct 2015 #169

technically, them paying to SS and Medicare is payback for my paying into SS geek tragedy Oct 2015 #209

Why is it up to them to pay you back for helping people who died before they were born? jeff47 Oct 2015 #214

because presumably they'll have the generation behind them paying into it. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #220

And while that is supposed to be good for them, it isn't good for you? jeff47 Oct 2015 #243

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #536

yeah. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #172

MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAA Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #206

what is funny? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #231

....All us parents chillaxing with our extra parent goodies, laughing at the childfree suckers. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #235

ahhhhhh. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #237

Overtime. :) nt BlueCheese Oct 2015 #152

yup Skittles Oct 2015 #241

I'm child-free, by choice. MineralMan Oct 2015 #160

But should the benefits you receive be based on need? Somethingtosay Oct 2015 #282

Pretty much, yes. MineralMan Oct 2015 #298

Have to disagree Somethingtosay Oct 2015 #304

OK. I have expanded on this and have posted it as a new thread MineralMan Oct 2015 #305

Vactions. Vacations and uninterrupted sleep. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #166

Not having to stay up all night caring for a crying newborn is our reward Kaleva Oct 2015 #173

You get the next generation whose taxes will pay your SS and Medicare and other benefits Lee-Lee Oct 2015 #174

I totally agree with you. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #177

:) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #179

I don't think it is necessary for childfree people to get 'compensation' for parental leave KitSileya Oct 2015 #181

Some people could use it to take care of elderly parents csziggy Oct 2015 #184

I get to stay at work, collect OT, and be first in line for promotions. MindPilot Oct 2015 #188

As long as it is "family" leave and not parental leave, I think it is fair for everyone Blasphemer Oct 2015 #191

what do you get with no kids???? loaded question of the ages....sanity??? fewer drains on your dembotoz Oct 2015 #195

They get other people's children to keep the Social Security system and Medicare solvent. pnwmom Oct 2015 #197

Yeah, When people go "If you get time off to care for your sick 3 year old child, i should get Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #198

whiskers will most certainly restorefreedom Oct 2015 #263

and of course you "didn't want to to pit people with children against people without children" Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #359

nice graphic lol restorefreedom Oct 2015 #363

I thought August was dedicated to discussion on the A-bomb GummyBearz Oct 2015 #619

coincidentally enough, in August I put a picture of a guy messing with the tip of a warhead Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #620

we get uninterrupted sleep for 8 hours?? La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2015 #199

"You get time off for open heart surgery, i should get time off to go to a baseball game" Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #200

apples and oranges.nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #264

Well... They get no child rearing responsibilities. Xyzse Oct 2015 #201

You answered your own question in the first line of your post. Vinca Oct 2015 #203

Nothing in life is fair, get over it. Pisces Oct 2015 #204

in our corporate run, vulture capitalist system, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #265

Life isn't fair anywhere. Someone always has it worse or better. Pisces Oct 2015 #293

true. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #296

OP trying to troll? The benefit is for the children, not the parents pediatricmedic Oct 2015 #207

actually one of the things I would hope people would do restorefreedom Oct 2015 #256

The whole objective of family leave is for people to take off work to care for family, not to take liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #216

i see what you are saying restorefreedom Oct 2015 #222

I agree with that. Someone upthread said they took time off work for their dying dog liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #224

yes, that would be the right and humane thing imo restorefreedom Oct 2015 #238

I don't look at it that way Skittles Oct 2015 #240

of course it does restorefreedom Oct 2015 #247

Why do we need anything? This isn't about some for me some for you BainsBane Oct 2015 #254

disabled people aren't disabled by choice restorefreedom Oct 2015 #261

That sort of leave is important BainsBane Oct 2015 #272

personally I would rather see an equivalent leave restorefreedom Oct 2015 #275

I'm glad somebody brought this up. I plan to not have any children when I get married. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #255

and would you like a general "paid leave" benefit restorefreedom Oct 2015 #258

For me personally, I would'nt need any compensation or any for my wife but I was ... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #262

there are lots of ways to have family restorefreedom Oct 2015 #267

Duh..I didn't realize you were the original poster. Sorry. If it were up to me, I'd average out ... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #280

i like your idea about the package restorefreedom Oct 2015 #287

FMLA is for individuals who get ill, or need to take care of family members too REP Oct 2015 #289

Well, I didn't know that was available in that situation.. Thanks! BlueJazz Oct 2015 #291

It's Family AND Medical Leave Act REP Oct 2015 #292

And to care for aging, sick parents. nt Ilsa Oct 2015 #301

Yup, parents qualify as "family members" REP Oct 2015 #306

If you don't have kids, what you get is called "afternoons." Bucky Oct 2015 #257

:) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #266

When are we able-bodied people going to get our special parking spaces? Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #260

Right after discrimination against white evangelicals is prosecuted and Christmas is saved. eom. Bad Thoughts Oct 2015 #283

sleep Demonaut Oct 2015 #276

:) nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #278

Why are you sporting a Bernie logo, Bernie supports parental leave CreekDog Oct 2015 #299

this is not about bernie or hillary restorefreedom Oct 2015 #309

What do we get? Our Childfree lives! REP Oct 2015 #288

Thank you for explaining FMLA Pool Hall Ace Oct 2015 #334

No kidding (so to speak) REP Oct 2015 #392

The privilege of having those kids grow up to be your future doctor or nurse? mainer Oct 2015 #290

to spend their income on wants instead of needs... ileus Oct 2015 #295

That is a stereotype get the red out Oct 2015 #360

yes, and assumption creates unnecessary restorefreedom Oct 2015 #453

I've cared for sick family members that were not my kids. Ilsa Oct 2015 #308

You are confusing "fair" and "equal". uppityperson Oct 2015 #313

actually, as a self employed person restorefreedom Oct 2015 #317

Agree. Couples and couples with children already get flamingdem Oct 2015 #318

true and i purposely tried restorefreedom Oct 2015 #319

Yeah, it's one group that flamingdem Oct 2015 #327

yup. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #328

The ability to sleep through the night without waking up every two hours to feed and change the kid? MohRokTah Oct 2015 #320

that is true! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #321

They get to sleep at night. dilby Oct 2015 #322

i am sure it isnt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #325

Yes and any other issue they have dilby Oct 2015 #326

this article makes a few good points restorefreedom Oct 2015 #330

not this childfree person. i don't spend my time resenting people who have children CreekDog Oct 2015 #338

no resentment towards parents restorefreedom Oct 2015 #341

Right. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #362

stating fact does not make one a hater restorefreedom Oct 2015 #364

"Or a sick family member". xmas74 Oct 2015 #331

yes i think broadening it out restorefreedom Oct 2015 #344

What everyone is calling "maternity leave" xmas74 Oct 2015 #399

it definitely does benefit us all in some form. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #458

Dedicated maternity isn't common at all. xmas74 Oct 2015 #597

to hear some it is different but family leave benefits everyone at some point. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #598

Free nights and weekends! struggle4progress Oct 2015 #337

you must be very motivated this year, because you've been a member for 11 years CreekDog Oct 2015 #346

thats an easy one for me to answer restorefreedom Oct 2015 #349

Kind of a low blow davidpdx Oct 2015 #515

The world! Chan790 Oct 2015 #347

good answer! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #351

They get to sleep through the night Dorian Gray Oct 2015 #361

Full night's sleep, relatively uncomplicated schedules, etc. JHB Oct 2015 #367

Everyone benefits. The fact that childless/childfree can't be grandfathered in is a shame kcr Oct 2015 #369

i do like the idea restorefreedom Oct 2015 #372

It already does kcr Oct 2015 #375

goody. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #379

As a childless adult, I should be given the same benefits. Deadshot Oct 2015 #377

yes, that is what i think too. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #385

good luck getting people to give a crap about the childless hfojvt Oct 2015 #380

it does turn out to be extra restorefreedom Oct 2015 #386

We get to do the parents' work to show we're "team players" jmowreader Oct 2015 #388

yup. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #389

Poverty policies also unfairly favor people with children daredtowork Oct 2015 #391

i never even thought of that connection, good point. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #421

a lifetime free of child rearing expenses. librechik Oct 2015 #393

Not to mention laundry_queen Oct 2015 #572

Sorry, this sounds a lot like the good old Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #394

Unbelievable. . . B Calm Oct 2015 #396

What do healthy people get out of sick leave? DirkGently Oct 2015 #398

parents should have some leave restorefreedom Oct 2015 #413

screwed, but it's certainly not a unique occurrence. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #402

true, there are many breaks, such as tax breaks restorefreedom Oct 2015 #415

What do people that don't have deaths in their families get instead of "Bereavement Leave"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #404

illness and death are not optional restorefreedom Oct 2015 #410

It costs so much in time and money to raise even one child, that I think the Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #409

I guess I think it should be expanded. I was my uncle's primary caretaker and any time taken off TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #526

You're making excellent sense here. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #576

They get to continue to work without interruption. Chemisse Oct 2015 #429

Have you ever taken care of a newborn full time? Warpy Oct 2015 #437

no complaints about people getting time off restorefreedom Oct 2015 #465

That's what weekends are for. Warpy Oct 2015 #469

one or two weeks restorefreedom Oct 2015 #470

It is better for society Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #454

Same thing you get from public schooling; an improved society. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #457

i don't disagree restorefreedom Oct 2015 #467

Reform Social Security to support, rather than penalize, caregiving. elleng Oct 2015 #460

he has a good plan, ellen restorefreedom Oct 2015 #466

Yes he has, restorefreedom, elleng Oct 2015 #472

i am for bernie but i would be lying restorefreedom Oct 2015 #475

I got FMLA when my father was ill joeybee12 Oct 2015 #462

It takes a village. Nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #474

i don't disagree at all restorefreedom Oct 2015 #477

A lower carbon tax. nt LWolf Oct 2015 #476

+1 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #478

You think taking time off for caring for a sick parent or child is comparable to a vacation notadmblnd Oct 2015 #479

certainly not. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #480

thank you for the kind words. notadmblnd Oct 2015 #483

most welcome. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #486

not having the heart break of taking care of a sick or dying family member? tandot Oct 2015 #481

sorry about your mom restorefreedom Oct 2015 #482

Thanks, restorefreedom tandot Oct 2015 #484

most welcome restorefreedom Oct 2015 #487

The freedom and lack of responsibility rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #485

no issue with taxes restorefreedom Oct 2015 #488

My point is rjsquirrel Oct 2015 #516

i don't think it is the same restorefreedom Oct 2015 #523

We exist to make babies? smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #538

Oh please sub.theory Oct 2015 #496

Nights of uninterrupted sleep (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #489

Sounds like this is another form of the arguement that states that.... TheDebbieDee Oct 2015 #490

not at all restorefreedom Oct 2015 #491

Nothing, unfortunately sub.theory Oct 2015 #492

there have been a few interesting suggestions restorefreedom Oct 2015 #497

I'd fully support that sub.theory Oct 2015 #499

i am sure the corps would hate it restorefreedom Oct 2015 #522

We get to live in a society that keeps talented people in the workforce and supports families Iris Oct 2015 #493

i do too restorefreedom Oct 2015 #498

This is exactly what's wrong with our nation. Lyric Oct 2015 #501

Maybe it's the other way around sub.theory Oct 2015 #503

Actually, most people in this thread are saying exactly what you're saying CreekDog Oct 2015 #546

I was thinking more about th general selfishness of the country as of late. Lyric Oct 2015 #640

Peace and quiet and a night in the town! grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #502

Yep! emsimon33 Oct 2015 #505

We get leave to take care of sick & elderly parents emsimon33 Oct 2015 #504

i agree that kids are worth investing in to become good adults restorefreedom Oct 2015 #529

They get "Family Leave." nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #512

Simple solution JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #513

many childless people do adopt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #527

Why do you keep playing games with this? I said the same as that poster... CreekDog Oct 2015 #545

everyone with a child should get that leave restorefreedom Oct 2015 #547

I have had a read through the entire thread davidpdx Oct 2015 #517

i agree that fathers also need time restorefreedom Oct 2015 #525

a better community -society for all is what they get. riversedge Oct 2015 #528

i agree kids are worth investing in restorefreedom Oct 2015 #530

Mandated parental leave is definitely good for society. But so is incentivizing having less kids. RedCappedBandit Oct 2015 #532

+1 nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #537

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #539

Unpaid overtime. KentuckyWoman Oct 2015 #543

yes, it does become a compensation issue restorefreedom Oct 2015 #548

You don't get anything. TheManInTheMac Oct 2015 #544

what about the needs of the kidless? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #549

It's not a fuckin' reward Android3.14 Oct 2015 #553

What do cancer free people get out of their insurance plan covering a co-worker's colon cancer? Hekate Oct 2015 #554

community wellness and mutual support are important restorefreedom Oct 2015 #564

Even in Denmark... coyote Oct 2015 #555

i kind of like "personal leave" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #565

There are lots of reforms needed that would decrease strife over this issue Bradical79 Oct 2015 #557

those reforms would most definitely help restorefreedom Oct 2015 #566

What would Bernie do? He loves the Scandinavians. OTT, what does Ayn Rand have to say? Hekate Oct 2015 #559

bernie supports much more expanded leave, sick time,and vac time restorefreedom Oct 2015 #567

Never having to see the places where human shit and vomit can be. alphafemale Oct 2015 #560

babies aren't the only ones who have to have their shit cleaned restorefreedom Oct 2015 #568

Are you also jealous of people paid for Jury Duty when you are not called? alphafemale Oct 2015 #569

sickness and disability are not life choices, parenting is. not suggesting parents get no leave. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #570

Grow up. alphafemale Oct 2015 #571

most of the kidless people i know restorefreedom Oct 2015 #573

peace and quiet. lol. n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2015 #563

They get to work overtime... Ino Oct 2015 #574

seems so. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #575

How would have my step-children's lives been if... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Oct 2015 #577

Some people just have to play life as a zero-sum game, though. To them, there is never enough... Hekate Oct 2015 #578

not trying to take any benefits away restorefreedom Oct 2015 #579

It might allow for paid leave for when someone is taking TexasBushwhacker Oct 2015 #580

sorry about your mom. glad to hear you had some time with her. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #581

This is what passes for DU these days? Whoa_Nelly Oct 2015 #589

total mischaracterization of the op and the thread restorefreedom Oct 2015 #591

In my case, the ability to go to Cancun on a whim. Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #599

that is most definitely a perk. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #600

How about just plain family leave? MountainLaurel Oct 2015 #601

i like "personal leave" best restorefreedom Oct 2015 #613

We get tagged to be on-call, and short-shrift on reserving vacation days. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #602

i never saw that bingo before restorefreedom Oct 2015 #614

We don't incentivise people to not have children at this point in time. That would be self Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #607

perhaps i am in the minority restorefreedom Oct 2015 #615

What about ME, what about ME, where's MINE MINE MINE krawhitham Oct 2015 #624

did you even read the thread? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #625

A lot of free time on their normal off hours jberryhill Oct 2015 #627

It isn't unfair to nonparents. Glassunion Oct 2015 #632

That was a beautiful response and Action_Patrol Oct 2015 #638

This thread is really long, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #633

You get Nothing. You don't need it. This is not kindergarten. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2015 #639

no, its the working world, where compensation counts restorefreedom Oct 2015 #641