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In reply to the discussion: The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)5. It is a fantasy. One apparently immune to logic or reality.
The web of irrational thinking woven around the idea that carrying guns around makes people safer has no parallel in terms of outright delusion aside from religious fanaticism.
A small segment of the population is transfixed by the idea that weapons give them super powers to stop crime, protect others, and (this one is particularly screwy) intimidate the government so that it doesn't get out of hand.
None of that has ever been true. They stack fallacies on top of fallacies, to the point where now when someone goes on one of our increasingly common shooting rampages, they literally sneer at the victims because they think the government is staging massacres to make guns "look bad."
And it's nothing more than a marketing scheme to get the gullible to spend their money on a fantasy of personal empowerment with a likelihood of "paying off" on the level of a lottery ticket. Meanwhile crime still occurs, we're less safe than countries with more restrictive laws, and of course the government continues to do whatever it wants.
I guess it's good to see statistics puncturing one of the go-to talking points, that "concealed permit holders never commit crimes." Never quite understood how going to a class magically ensured no one ever misused a weapon.
Of course the cost of disproving just that one myth is measured in dead Americans, as usual.
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One glaring omission in this article is the number of non-injury incidences where harm was averted
jonno99
Oct 2015
#1
MY proof is merely anecdotal, which I know doesn't carry any weight around here with a LOT of people
Ghost in the Machine
Oct 2015
#14
It's clear that you haven't done any homework whatsoever on the gun violence issue.
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#20
Yet the best available data (also, again, not falsifiable even though it supports my position)
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#21
LOL -- "the best available data" never comes from the agenda-driven medical community!
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#31
That's why those studies about defensive gun uses are called "not falsifiable" - which means they
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#22
The "I'm an asshole who waved my gun at another asshole who backed down" defense of gun love.
hunter
Oct 2015
#27
The idea that more guns make us safer is like saying more fast food joints make us thinner
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#23
Has anyone ever actually said "concealed permit holders never commit crimes?"
Lizzie Poppet
Oct 2015
#33
As people keep pointing out, we have no idea how many times a weapon was used defensively
Recursion
Oct 2015
#11