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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
5. It is a fantasy. One apparently immune to logic or reality.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:56 PM
Oct 2015

The web of irrational thinking woven around the idea that carrying guns around makes people safer has no parallel in terms of outright delusion aside from religious fanaticism.

A small segment of the population is transfixed by the idea that weapons give them super powers to stop crime, protect others, and (this one is particularly screwy) intimidate the government so that it doesn't get out of hand.

None of that has ever been true. They stack fallacies on top of fallacies, to the point where now when someone goes on one of our increasingly common shooting rampages, they literally sneer at the victims because they think the government is staging massacres to make guns "look bad."

And it's nothing more than a marketing scheme to get the gullible to spend their money on a fantasy of personal empowerment with a likelihood of "paying off" on the level of a lottery ticket. Meanwhile crime still occurs, we're less safe than countries with more restrictive laws, and of course the government continues to do whatever it wants.

I guess it's good to see statistics puncturing one of the go-to talking points, that "concealed permit holders never commit crimes." Never quite understood how going to a class magically ensured no one ever misused a weapon.

Of course the cost of disproving just that one myth is measured in dead Americans, as usual.
The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all] onehandle Oct 2015 OP
One glaring omission in this article is the number of non-injury incidences where harm was averted jonno99 Oct 2015 #1
Ssssshhh! greytdemocrat Oct 2015 #2
Where is your proof this is a large number? nt Logical Oct 2015 #3
MY proof is merely anecdotal, which I know doesn't carry any weight around here with a LOT of people Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #14
Here you go: pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #17
There are about 11 million CC license holders, I would bet less than half.... Logical Oct 2015 #25
You can call bullshit all day long. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #30
Yeah but you have no falsifiable studies that MillennialDem Oct 2015 #4
shhhhhhhhhh!! Skittles Oct 2015 #12
It's clear that you haven't done any homework whatsoever on the gun violence issue. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #20
Yet the best available data (also, again, not falsifiable even though it supports my position) MillennialDem Oct 2015 #21
LOL -- "the best available data" never comes from the agenda-driven medical community! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #31
For your viewing pleasure: (and others with integrity) pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #32
Well, if all these non-injury incidents are required to be reported - haele Oct 2015 #6
That's why those studies about defensive gun uses are called "not falsifiable" - which means they MillennialDem Oct 2015 #22
Brandishing a weapon. alphafemale Oct 2015 #15
The "I'm an asshole who waved my gun at another asshole who backed down" defense of gun love. hunter Oct 2015 #27
It is a fantasy. One apparently immune to logic or reality. DirkGently Oct 2015 #5
Who made that claim? Cite please. beevul Oct 2015 #13
The idea that more guns make us safer is like saying more fast food joints make us thinner MillennialDem Oct 2015 #23
Has anyone ever actually said "concealed permit holders never commit crimes?" Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #33
you're not going to stop this with facts ibegurpard Oct 2015 #7
The VPC is not an objective source on this topic. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #8
The GOPNRA won't fund a federal source on this topic. onehandle Oct 2015 #9
There is funding for research. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #10
It's an *ABSOLUTE LIE* that we don't have good research on gun violence. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #18
As people keep pointing out, we have no idea how many times a weapon was used defensively Recursion Oct 2015 #11
... causes an attacker to flee... hunter Oct 2015 #28
I wonder why the NY Times ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #16
Amazing, isn't it, for all of the screaming about how the evil NRA pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #19
Lets look at what actually happened in Michigan hack89 Oct 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #26
Great story, bro. hunter Oct 2015 #29
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