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Straw Man

(6,627 posts)
16. I wonder why the NY Times ...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:05 AM
Oct 2015

... chose to cite the VPC rather than the study by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, commissioned by the CDC at President Obama's request. That report included the following conclusion:

Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all] onehandle Oct 2015 OP
One glaring omission in this article is the number of non-injury incidences where harm was averted jonno99 Oct 2015 #1
Ssssshhh! greytdemocrat Oct 2015 #2
Where is your proof this is a large number? nt Logical Oct 2015 #3
MY proof is merely anecdotal, which I know doesn't carry any weight around here with a LOT of people Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #14
Here you go: pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #17
There are about 11 million CC license holders, I would bet less than half.... Logical Oct 2015 #25
You can call bullshit all day long. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #30
Yeah but you have no falsifiable studies that MillennialDem Oct 2015 #4
shhhhhhhhhh!! Skittles Oct 2015 #12
It's clear that you haven't done any homework whatsoever on the gun violence issue. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #20
Yet the best available data (also, again, not falsifiable even though it supports my position) MillennialDem Oct 2015 #21
LOL -- "the best available data" never comes from the agenda-driven medical community! pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #31
For your viewing pleasure: (and others with integrity) pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #32
Well, if all these non-injury incidents are required to be reported - haele Oct 2015 #6
That's why those studies about defensive gun uses are called "not falsifiable" - which means they MillennialDem Oct 2015 #22
Brandishing a weapon. alphafemale Oct 2015 #15
The "I'm an asshole who waved my gun at another asshole who backed down" defense of gun love. hunter Oct 2015 #27
It is a fantasy. One apparently immune to logic or reality. DirkGently Oct 2015 #5
Who made that claim? Cite please. beevul Oct 2015 #13
The idea that more guns make us safer is like saying more fast food joints make us thinner MillennialDem Oct 2015 #23
Has anyone ever actually said "concealed permit holders never commit crimes?" Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #33
you're not going to stop this with facts ibegurpard Oct 2015 #7
The VPC is not an objective source on this topic. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #8
The GOPNRA won't fund a federal source on this topic. onehandle Oct 2015 #9
There is funding for research. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #10
It's an *ABSOLUTE LIE* that we don't have good research on gun violence. pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #18
As people keep pointing out, we have no idea how many times a weapon was used defensively Recursion Oct 2015 #11
... causes an attacker to flee... hunter Oct 2015 #28
I wonder why the NY Times ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #16
Amazing, isn't it, for all of the screaming about how the evil NRA pablo_marmol Oct 2015 #19
Lets look at what actually happened in Michigan hack89 Oct 2015 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #26
Great story, bro. hunter Oct 2015 #29
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