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In reply to the discussion: The Concealed-Carry Fantasy [View all]hack89
(39,171 posts)24. Lets look at what actually happened in Michigan
Ten years after Michigan made it much easier for its citizens to get a license to carry a concealed gun, predictions of widespread lawless behavior and bloodshed have failed to materialize.
But violent crimes have been rare among carrying a concealed weapon license holders. Only 2% of license holders have been sanctioned for any kind of misbehavior, State Police records show.
Whether licensing more people to carry concealed weapons results in more or less violent crime remains debatable. Michigan still has more than its fair share of crime, even as overall crime rates have mostly declined. But it's difficult to argue that CCWs have much impact either way.
But violent crimes have been rare among carrying a concealed weapon license holders. Only 2% of license holders have been sanctioned for any kind of misbehavior, State Police records show.
Whether licensing more people to carry concealed weapons results in more or less violent crime remains debatable. Michigan still has more than its fair share of crime, even as overall crime rates have mostly declined. But it's difficult to argue that CCWs have much impact either way.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110731/NEWS06/107310482/10-years-after-concealed-weapons-law-unclear-why-many-state-were-gun-shy
The worst you can say is that it made no difference.
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One glaring omission in this article is the number of non-injury incidences where harm was averted
jonno99
Oct 2015
#1
MY proof is merely anecdotal, which I know doesn't carry any weight around here with a LOT of people
Ghost in the Machine
Oct 2015
#14
It's clear that you haven't done any homework whatsoever on the gun violence issue.
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#20
Yet the best available data (also, again, not falsifiable even though it supports my position)
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#21
LOL -- "the best available data" never comes from the agenda-driven medical community!
pablo_marmol
Oct 2015
#31
That's why those studies about defensive gun uses are called "not falsifiable" - which means they
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#22
The "I'm an asshole who waved my gun at another asshole who backed down" defense of gun love.
hunter
Oct 2015
#27
The idea that more guns make us safer is like saying more fast food joints make us thinner
MillennialDem
Oct 2015
#23
Has anyone ever actually said "concealed permit holders never commit crimes?"
Lizzie Poppet
Oct 2015
#33
As people keep pointing out, we have no idea how many times a weapon was used defensively
Recursion
Oct 2015
#11