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Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
59. I get what you're saying
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

I'm sorry for unloading on you and I don't mean this to seem like an attack on you in any manner. If more people thought like you (including our representatives in government) then I wouldn't be in the place I am right now.

however, I hope you don't hold it against the individual Soldiers. I know if nobody shows up to fight a war that there'd be no war, but people join the military for different reasons.

I was born in 1980 and grew up I a right leaning household. My father missed Vietnam by about a year (so he never was in the military or fought in a war) and my grandfather was a WWII Infantryman and never talked about the war. I grew up playing with G.I. Joe and believing that the military was a tool that was a tool used to make the world a better place. I was 11 years old during the first gulf war and saw the sanitized pictures on CNN. I collected the Operation Desert Storm trading cards and ate that sort of thing up. I was 15 during the Dayton Peace Accord (that was when the UN mission in the Balkans was labeled a failure and NATO took over the operation) and I believed in the mission. I was 17 in 1997 when I joined the Army. As I wasn't 18, my parents had to sign a waiver to get me in. I went to basic training during the summer break between my junior and senior year of high school and then I received an Army ROTC scholarship. I just started my senior year of college when the attacks of September 11th occurred. Only a few days before I put in a request to be an Infantry Officer when I graduated college and became a 2nd Lieutenant.

I agreed with our response to September 11th at the time. I was a 21 year old kid and I had no real life experience. I joined the military for the altruistic reason to make the world a better place. My upbringing educated me that this was the reason for US involvement in various military expeditions.

I was doing a years worth of various training at Fort Benning, GA during the buildup and initiation of the war on Iraq. During the time I remember not understanding our focus on that country. I never for a second believed we should have gone into Iraq. I finished up at Fort Benning around May of 2003 and I remember seeing that the war was essentially over. I figured by the time I actually got assigned to a line unit that the war, at the worst, would be as intense as the police action in the Balkans. I still didn't believe in the war but I figured if I got deployed to Iraq that I'd stick to my ideals of making the world a better place.

Fast forward a few months and I was in Iraq in February 2004. We had no idea how intense the war was going to be in a few months and if you looked at pictures of me and my Soldiers, we were all having a great time oblivious to the danger and violence that was to ramp up in April and beyond. We lost our first Soldier in April and everything changed. Our attitudes changed and a level of anger started to ebb in me. The more violence I saw the more my ideals went out the window. I hated the war, I started to hate the Iraqi people, and I just wanted to get home. The more violence I became involved with beyond that point the less I even cared about going home.

For me, shooting and killing people brought out huge feelings of guilt and shame. It was easier to turn off the feelings of disgust and laugh at it than to face it for what it was. I didn't join the Army to become a killer or to be a monster, but that is exactly what I became. I hated waking up in the morning, I hated going on patrol, I relished the adrenaline rush of combat during the brief periods and then became overwhelmed with guilt afterward.

During the course of the 13 months I was deployed my platoon killed 46 people that I know of and wounded the best part of 100. I personally lost 5 Soldiers that were under my command.

I was back home by 6 March 2005 and I hated it. I stayed in the Army until 2007 and then attempted to live a normal civilian life. I did alright for about the first 4 or 5 months then everything started to go down hill for me . I started having all sorts of wonderful PTSD symptoms and, slowly over the years until June of 2014, I got worse and worse. On 25 June 2014 I attempted suicide after a fight with my wife. She called me a "killer and a coward" and I went bonkers. I ran to the basement and got a utility razorblade from my tool box, ran back up and proceeded to slash the shit out of my wrists and spray my wife with my blood. I did four deep cuts on my left wrists, switched the blade into my other hand so I could destroy my right wrists, managed one cut before my mangled hand dropped the blade. I intended to go for my neck next and that saved me. When you cut a major artery or vein the pressure is unbelievable. It was like a hose spraying blood everywhere. My wife, the walls, the ceiling, the floor was totally covered in blood. As I was doing a lap around the house to spray my blood over everything my oldest daughter (she was 5 at the time) came out of her room and looked at me. Up until that moment my next plan was to run into the woods, hide, and die before anyone could save me. However, when I saw my daughter I grabbed my left wrist and squeezed as much as hard as I could to slow the bleeding. I ran outside and started pacing and yelling at my wife about the war like a crazy person while I waited for the ambulance.

I've spent roughly 6 months out of the last 18 spending times in various psych wards and my daily life is hell. The number one reason I'm still alive and my wife sticks around is because my disability income is the sole financial support for my wife and kids.

I guess it's just karma coming back to get me which, when I look back at it all, seems incredibly unfair. I didn't join the Army to be a killer, but that is exactly what I became. I did everything right according to my upbringing. I joined the Army to make the world a better place instead I found myself to be the sucker.

Again, I'm sorry for unloading on you and I don't mean this to seem like an attack on you in any manner. If more people thought like you (including our representatives in government) then I wouldn't be in the place I am right now.

I hate it when people thank me for my military service. It is nothing but an area of pain and shame. I believe that an apology from those who supported those wars in more appropriate.

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This is why I not only do NOT support our endless wars, SheilaT Nov 2015 #1
So I was thinking the other day upaloopa Nov 2015 #17
I get it all the time... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #25
Vietnam Roy Rolling Nov 2015 #26
Please, DU. Give me a way to upvote (or downvote) individual comments. This is a +++. erronis Nov 2015 #41
+1000's ozone_man Nov 2015 #84
Why? Because usually no one else will step up unless we do. 7962 Nov 2015 #85
You're quite the belligerent neocon eh? nyabingi Nov 2015 #97
You dont think the Balkans was headed towards genocide? Really? 7962 Nov 2015 #99
We never intervene to stop massacres, and nyabingi Nov 2015 #100
Yes we do. You ignore it because you want to. And you ignore the Balkans example. 7962 Nov 2015 #102
Our intervention, especially when NATO is involved, nyabingi Nov 2015 #104
Chavez and Maduro have taken VZ into the worst economy in the world 7962 Nov 2015 #105
Are you really not aware of the nyabingi Nov 2015 #106
Yes, YOU understand it all dont you? Ha. 7962 Nov 2015 #107
No I don't understand it all nyabingi Nov 2015 #108
But the people only benefitted for a short time. Thats always the problem. 7962 Nov 2015 #109
And it is frightening how many know and still go. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #96
If I may offer the following definitions. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #37
You were drafted. Every single soldier currently SheilaT Nov 2015 #54
And most of these "volunteers" do so because they were fooled to believe that it was either rhett o rick Nov 2015 #61
Nor does the reason they volunteered SheilaT Nov 2015 #68
I agree. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #77
You are wrong. The majority do not sign up because of romance/duty/patriotism. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #101
I agree this is a huge problem. But poverty isn't on the agenda of a Goldman-Sachs sponsored rhett o rick Nov 2015 #103
No, you're not a warmonger arikara Nov 2015 #64
But that is not the whole point of the OP - truedelphi Nov 2015 #69
Current generations don't understand the draft. trof Nov 2015 #83
I get what you're saying Victor_c3 Nov 2015 #59
I'm so sorry for what you went through arikara Nov 2015 #65
Good on you for unloading. snort Nov 2015 #67
I know how you feel. The River Nov 2015 #72
You're a good person. It's why you're suffering so much now renate Nov 2015 #73
I heard a top VA psychologist say exactly the same thing at a PTSD conference decades ago pinboy3niner Nov 2015 #93
Telling me your story isn't unloading. I absolutely don't feel attacked. SheilaT Nov 2015 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #95
Can't agree with you Joey Liberal Nov 2015 #70
I've been married to 2 men Caretha Nov 2015 #90
You should watch John Oliver from last night. Initech Nov 2015 #87
Yes, that is heartbreaking. And very powerful, I hope he has a lot of support in his life. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #2
How many warriors appear on TV news compared to their commanding Generals and politicians? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #3
They fight to protect corporations not Americans bjobotts Nov 2015 #23
" You go to war with the army you have". Inferring sit down and shut up! The Wielding Truth Nov 2015 #92
War - What's It Good For - Absolutely Nothing - Props To Edwin Starr cantbeserious Nov 2015 #4
Service members? HassleCat Nov 2015 #5
Your post made me curious about their pay uppityperson Nov 2015 #7
It might not seem like much HassleCat Nov 2015 #9
US military pay scale, 2015 sarge43 Nov 2015 #18
The pay is much better now than when I served Joey Liberal Nov 2015 #71
My first paycheck, post basic, $98.00. That's a month's worth. sarge43 Nov 2015 #75
Case of beer on Navy base in Guam 1960 $1.50 - $2.00 WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2015 #82
There are things like free base housing, including for dependents (though not on active duty, of merrily Nov 2015 #31
Damn. That sounds like SOCIALISM! And WE CAN"T HAVE THAT in the USofA! erronis Nov 2015 #42
The base houses arikara Nov 2015 #66
I've lived in U.S. apt. style base housing and been invited to base homes where officers live. merrily Nov 2015 #78
PX & commissary prices arent a lot lower these days. And not all housing is free. 7962 Nov 2015 #86
The orders do not come from us.Come from Exxon etc bjobotts Nov 2015 #29
If we lived under a functional democracy I would agree with you, but we dont. Volaris Nov 2015 #51
This year I'm dedicating Remembrance Day to the memory of Shidane Arone (Trigger Warning) GliderGuider Nov 2015 #6
One of the reasons to never go to war, of not make the decision lightly is that people dehumanize uppityperson Nov 2015 #8
and we call them heroes? and thanks them for their service? saturnsring Nov 2015 #10
We are victims of a weird kind of Stockholm Syndrome GliderGuider Nov 2015 #15
Holy shit that is sickening.... blackspade Nov 2015 #14
A good reminder... CanSocDem Nov 2015 #62
Only one solution. Don't sign up. I wish more young people realized this. valerief Nov 2015 #11
No more fucking military war propaganda at sporting events. pangaia Nov 2015 #20
We have too much sports in America, but it's actually military training. valerief Nov 2015 #21
Football today reminds me of something from the "Starship Troopers" movie n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #33
I don't watch movies with names like that, so I don't know exactly what you mean. valerief Nov 2015 #35
I see very few make this connection but it seems obvious to me. harun Nov 2015 #57
Very well said! Thanks for the comparison. nt valerief Nov 2015 #79
How about government? Almost everything feeds it. merrily Nov 2015 #27
? Not sure what your question is. nt valerief Nov 2015 #30
The question was rhetorical. The entertainment industry is not all feeding the military frenzy merrily Nov 2015 #34
Oh, yes, of course. That's true. Because the military is where the oligarchs valerief Nov 2015 #40
I know an awful lot of young people who lusted after the signup bonus ($5-20k) erronis Nov 2015 #45
And this is why the oligarchs don't want a strong middle class. valerief Nov 2015 #80
Since WWII, we fought in Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, various places in Africa, too many to name JDPriestly Nov 2015 #12
Media are monopolies abelenkpe Nov 2015 #38
You may add Grenada, Pananma, Somalia, and Lebanon. bvar22 Nov 2015 #53
2016 we can change directions... tecelote Nov 2015 #13
But war is always like this, and we keep having them. The kid of the 60s and their kids jtuck004 Nov 2015 #16
Stormtroopers for Empire Pharaoh Nov 2015 #19
i watched the latest dr who last night. man, deep anti war writing. pansypoo53219 Nov 2015 #22
I am not going to blame any 20 year old who grew up on jingoism from Dems and Repubs for a thing. merrily Nov 2015 #24
We've abused our military professionals far past their breaking point. Rex Nov 2015 #28
And the Bushes laugh, all the way to the bank. forest444 Nov 2015 #36
He's right on the money. Hulk Nov 2015 #32
''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Nov 2015 #39
Hillary is partly responsible for this Android3.14 Nov 2015 #43
Thanks for posting. JEB Nov 2015 #44
Elections matter folks. Choose wisely. riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #46
Are there politicians anywhere that support eliminating the military? GliderGuider Nov 2015 #49
Each time I see a "Freedom isn't free" bumper sticker, I want to scream in frustration. Bubzer Nov 2015 #47
K & R N/T w0nderer Nov 2015 #48
Major General Smedley Butler (USMC) hifiguy Nov 2015 #50
Brilliant!!! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #91
He just described a "gun grab" too. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #52
i feel like hillary would read this retrowire Nov 2015 #55
And how many are going to bring that “blasé” mentality back to the world... MindPilot Nov 2015 #56
They're just following orders rocktivity Nov 2015 #58
This should be posted silenttigersong Nov 2015 #60
Let's be honest The Wizard Nov 2015 #63
I am not able to go to the link. Mira Nov 2015 #74
War is Hell. War is a Racket. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #76
Been there. Done that. Truth. Bottoms_Up Nov 2015 #81
Did anyone see the PBS series "Vietnam: a Television History"? thucythucy Nov 2015 #89
Our Leaders Should Pay The Price billhicks76 Nov 2015 #94
"so “blasé” about drone strikes and other civilian deaths". IMO, why some ex-Vets make bad police. Sunlei Nov 2015 #98
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