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stevenleser

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51. Christianity and Judaism have had 600-3500 more years to evolve...

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:30 AM

Nov 2015

...if you go back to the same amount of time Islam has been around and apply that to both Christianity and Judaism and observe how practitioners of those religions behave, you would see that the barbarity isn't very different at all.

Islam is approximately 1400 years old. 1478 years after the birth of Christianity you have the Spanish Inquisition. 1940 years after the birth of Christianity you have supposedly what had been one of the most modern and progressive Christian countries in Europe putting to death 12 million people for being either Jewish, Gay, Roma or Slavic.

Many of the very horrific practices of Sharia have exact parallels in the Old Testament, to which it took thousands of years for Jews to decide they were essentially not going to observe them anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_and_corporal_punishment_in_Judaism

The issue with Islam is that fundamentalist interpretations of it have not yet evolved yet the rest of society and culture has, particularly in the last 200-400 years.

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I just do not understand Paris [View all] Aerows Nov 2015 OP

In a word….. religion world wide wally Nov 2015 #1

Beat me to it. nt. JeffHead Nov 2015 #3

I'm still broken up about it, though Aerows Nov 2015 #5

You have just perfectly described Shock and Awe. raccoon Nov 2015 #19

+ a millions or so. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #21

Or maybe Munificence Nov 2015 #100

That's it, and while not all of our sins were committed by the criminal Bush family and friends, randys1 Nov 2015 #105

Someone's doing the thinking for them. HughBeaumont Nov 2015 #33

Yep, there is pure evilness in the world. How one arrives to that state can be many factors, but RKP5637 Nov 2015 #47

100% Agreement! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Nov 2015 #12

Nonsense. Tell me bow "all religions" of western democracies slaughter concert goers.. whathehell Nov 2015 #14

Western democracies just substitute the word patriotism rainy Nov 2015 #20

Nice try. Lol whathehell Nov 2015 #35

Oh, yes. We deliberately target sports stadia, discos, restaurants, concerts..... WinkyDink Nov 2015 #62

Hospitals...weddings....schools... peace13 Nov 2015 #101

Does murdering people not deliberately rainy Nov 2015 #112

Christianity and Judaism have had 600-3500 more years to evolve... stevenleser Nov 2015 #51

Can we FOR ONCE, GODDAMNIT, speak of the PRESENT CENTURY?! JHC. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #63

G W Bush claimed he was on a mission from God. B Calm Nov 2015 #66

For once? I dont see a whole lot of ancient history discussed in G-D or G-DP stevenleser Nov 2015 #68

You DO agree that the Crusades, the Inquisition, et al. were not since 2000 CE? Did you read WinkyDink Nov 2015 #121

Oh please.. whathehell Nov 2015 #67

No, I wasn't apologizing for anyone. Barbarity is barbarity. And that includes stevenleser Nov 2015 #71

The 'Christians" of 1940's Germany were not acting on behalf of religious beliefs or goals.. whathehell Nov 2015 #77

It's complicated all right — the Sunni v Shia rift, but W/Cheney had a lot to do with ISIS's . . . brush Nov 2015 #83

I know that, and don't deny their part in this mess.. whathehell Nov 2015 #89

Of course not. brush Nov 2015 #91

Yes, they were at least partially. They were trying to rid their country of Jews. stevenleser Nov 2015 #94

I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #99

The easy way to refute your point is to remind you and everyone of Der Sturmer stevenleser Nov 2015 #104

I'm aware of that propaganda. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #108

That was an attack based on ethnicity or "race" -- The Aryan/non- Aryan race concept. whathehell Nov 2015 #118

The Nazis were, in fact, occultists. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #122

Okay, but I'm not sure any ideology beyond whathehell Nov 2015 #125

True. The "Aryan" bit came from their belief that Iran/Mesopotamia was their true "homeland." WinkyDink Nov 2015 #128

Funny, I haven't heard of lutheran or Presbyterian Terrorists slaughtering concert goers recently whathehell Nov 2015 #15

See my above post! rainy Nov 2015 #22

See mine. whathehell Nov 2015 #36

There is the LRA and christian militias in central Africa CJCRANE Nov 2015 #29

But not, as was specified earlier, in the Western democracies of Europe, America whathehell Nov 2015 #30

But it's our money paying for this ideology CJCRANE Nov 2015 #31

Our money? We now get more of our petrol from Canada. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #92

I would expand on your explanation regarding Muslim extremists.. whathehell Nov 2015 #38

Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria were all secular. The muslim fundie countries are mostly our allies. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #39

They may be secular, but they're not democracies and at this point, whathehell Nov 2015 #43

But I refuted your point. Muslim fundamentalism was not encouraged in Iraq, Libya, Syria or Egypt. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #46

Not so much.. whathehell Nov 2015 #49

But the problem of muslim fundamentalist extremism and terrorism was much less under their rule. nt CJCRANE Nov 2015 #53

I'm not denying the part the Bush administration, especially, has played in all this.. whathehell Nov 2015 #60

Nonsense. Muslims have been doing this FOREVER...like since 625 A.D. Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #40

Muslim fundies were under control in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #44

The Iranian Shaw came after us because we had the audacity to give medical treatment to someone he Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #57

Ever hear about our role in overthrowing choie Nov 2015 #69

Or, maybe, Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #80

This. hifiguy Nov 2015 #132

Say what??? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #82

Exactly, Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #85

Exactly? You had it wrong. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #97

The Shah is the person that came here for treatment. The Ayatollah and his followers were the ones stevenleser Nov 2015 #96

I typed it wrong, but know the story, but the point is Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #117

Yeah because he was a damn tyrant... choie Nov 2015 #133

Nazis, Bolsheviks, Khmer Rouge, Hutu fighters in Rwanda... CJCRANE Nov 2015 #28

^^^this nt katsy Nov 2015 #74

Religion has nothing to do with it Catherina Nov 2015 #75

Great quote, sad to see so many don't get it. nt bananas Nov 2015 #79

Bunk. earthside Nov 2015 #84

Thanks. Don't want to get it n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #88

right on cue...I guess them screaming "Allahu Akbar" means "I hate Soccer" now snooper2 Nov 2015 #86

the ones screamin "Allah Akbar" aren't the ones who make plans. They're the useful idiots KittyWampus Nov 2015 #93

Oh, not at all, religious brainwashing three times a day since birth snooper2 Nov 2015 #95

+ a brazillion Myrina Nov 2015 #106

Be honest. world wide wally Nov 2015 #110

Sorry. Totally uninterested in some back and forth go nowhere discussion n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #113

Narrow answer. Igel Nov 2015 #81

More than that, for some it's suicidal impulses that've been harnessed KittyWampus Nov 2015 #90

Christopher Hitchens was right. Religion poisons everything. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2015 #127

Religion. nt JeffHead Nov 2015 #2

In the words of Voltaire Aerows Nov 2015 #4

That, is the bottom line of it all!!! ... believing absurdities can make one RKP5637 Nov 2015 #48

It takes total faith in your inability to be wrong about anything Warpy Nov 2015 #6

But dammit Aerows Nov 2015 #7

Angry men, usually young ones, are given a direction in which to vent their anger Warpy Nov 2015 #8

What in the hell Aerows Nov 2015 #9

Coming to? The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #10

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #11

They get 43 raisins. longship Nov 2015 #13

Religious nonsense causes these killers to cross over into the twilight zone mdbl Nov 2015 #24

Muslim Extremists. Quantess Nov 2015 #16

Evil Exist JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #27

Really? What other religions were involved in recent terror attacks? Quantess Nov 2015 #32

Thank you whathehell Nov 2015 #45

It's historical. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #65

Understood, but as of lately, terrorists have been muslim extremists. Quantess Nov 2015 #72

It's too bad the human species can't evolve past killing. mmonk Nov 2015 #17

Cnn right now is claiming that yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #18

Absolutism Scootaloo Nov 2015 #23

Ideology. Non-humanistic ideology. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #25

Some of us retreat into cause and effect, thinking these acts don't occur on their own. randome Nov 2015 #26

"Meddling" seems an odd and loaded term. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #37

No, Iraq was a war crime. Has anyone attributed that to the Paris attacks? randome Nov 2015 #76

What about Russia's meddling in Syria? Did or will that have any repercussions? nt CJCRANE Nov 2015 #41

Paris is easier to attack. randome Nov 2015 #52

So what about the Russian plane. Why was that attacked? nt CJCRANE Nov 2015 #55

Same thing. It's easier to smuggle a bomb on board. ISIS goes after low-hanging fruit. Always. randome Nov 2015 #59

Wasn't a Russian plane choie Nov 2015 #73

I think that the people who do this would disagree about the innocence of those harmed mythology Nov 2015 #34

The most dangerous weapon on this planet is not nukes. DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #42

I too, cannot wrap my head around this. 99Forever Nov 2015 #50

Well, if Chris Kyle were alive you could ask him. redgreenandblue Nov 2015 #54

They think they are being targeted - TBF Nov 2015 #56

ISIS has not claimed any of this was in retribution. randome Nov 2015 #64

That is the response to "why Paris" - TBF Nov 2015 #87

This mindset over the centuries, you mean. randome Nov 2015 #102

I can't disagree with that. nt TBF Nov 2015 #107

ISIS also said nothing during the Israeli Gaza thing last year JI7 Nov 2015 #115

Paris? Do we not recall Rome airport? Bologna's train station? The Bali disco? Need I go on? WinkyDink Nov 2015 #61

Angry, lost young men are dangerous; we've been averaging almost a mass shooting a day in the U.S. Chathamization Nov 2015 #70

Westerners perform atrocities against Others on a daily basis--without a clue they are doing it librechik Nov 2015 #78

Fanaticism. MineralMan Nov 2015 #98

Exactly, the core of it all is fanaticism, no matter what it's cloaked in. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #103

Wow Aerows. Your OP really brought out the right wing crazy in a few people. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #109

hideous, backwards, barbarian ideologies alarimer Nov 2015 #111

Come to Europe! Quantess Nov 2015 #124

Rejection of Reason in favor of Mythology and Superstition Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #114

I believe the "rejection of Reason" would apply to the Middle East, not to the countries of the WinkyDink Nov 2015 #123

unfortenately agnostic102 Nov 2015 #116

Bullies don't need a reason. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #119

I was reading an interesting article today Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #120

They are quite literally Iron Age barbarians, hifiguy Nov 2015 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #126

Their Invisible Man In the Sky told them hifiguy Nov 2015 #129

No kidding, my friend. Aerows Nov 2015 #130