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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 06:33 PM Nov 2015

Paris in Perspective [View all]

What happened in Paris is an unspeakable horror, but no less horrific is the daily terror we have been raining down from the sky upon people across the Middle East for many years now. Some defend our "collateral damage" by pointing out that we "don't intend to target innocents" with our drone strikes. But that is a pretty weak defense, given that we target individuals while they are present at social gatherings -- weddings, funerals, etc. -- where we full well know innocent people will die in the strike. And in any case, I suspect that distinction between 'intended' and 'unintended' comes as cold comfort to any surviving family members.

The expressions of solidarity with and support for the people of Paris are commendable. But even as we make those gestures, we should, lest we become rather too righteous in both our sadness and our anger, remember that our own perceptions of 'innocence' are often skewed, our compassion and empathy not as universal as we like to tell ourselves, our outrage and indignation selective, and often quite conveniently so. I mean, when was the last time people en masse changed their Facebook avatars to the flag of Yemen, or gave such an outpouring of support for the people of that country, after one of our drone strikes took out dozens of innocent Yemeni citizens? Indeed, when was the last time anybody even gave a moment's thought of doing so?

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Paris in Perspective [View all] markpkessinger Nov 2015 OP
.... randys1 Nov 2015 #1
When you put quotes on 'innocence' melman Nov 2015 #2
I'm not suggesting they were not innocent . . . markpkessinger Nov 2015 #4
What should we do? katsy Nov 2015 #3
If history tells us anything . . . markpkessinger Nov 2015 #6
Who is trying to overcome an ideology by force? kwassa Nov 2015 #9
ISIS is founded in a particular extremist religious ideology . . . markpkessinger Nov 2015 #10
I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree with it. kwassa Nov 2015 #16
Extremist? ISIS is applying what the Quran says Yorktown Nov 2015 #17
I don't see it as trying to overcome an ideology by force, but to limit actions by force if needed uppityperson Nov 2015 #31
So you are basically saying we turn the other cheek? katsy Nov 2015 #11
My original post wasn't even about how France or any other nation should or should not respond... markpkessinger Nov 2015 #14
No. No "maybe" about it. katsy Nov 2015 #18
You have a smart point about underlying ideology and organizational expression alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #19
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #28
Don't worry, because one thing ISIS never does is target innocent public gatherings... Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #5
So, whatever we do is okay as long as someone else did it first? markpkessinger Nov 2015 #7
You do realize certain people (who I won't name) Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #34
The new genre of the Tragedy Scold alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #8
My apologies if moral complexity offends you n/t markpkessinger Nov 2015 #12
Is that what you call it? alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #13
What a skewed perspective you present Yorktown Nov 2015 #15
+++++++ uppityperson Nov 2015 #20
My OP is neither a justification for the actions of ISIS ... markpkessinger Nov 2015 #21
Your OP says 'Paris in perspective'. Sorry, no perspective needed. Or welcome. Yorktown Nov 2015 #23
Mark. Don't you get it? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #22
It's ok if Empire does it?? Yorktown Nov 2015 #24
No. RobertEarl Nov 2015 #25
So general Custer justifies ISIS shootings in Paris? Yorktown Nov 2015 #26
VietNam? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #27
VietNam was sound in principle, not in practice. And Iraq was just GW being an idiot. Yorktown Nov 2015 #29
That is some revision of History you have RobertEarl Nov 2015 #32
I did not say you were stupid, I said GW was Yorktown Nov 2015 #33
Thank you for one of the few sane OPs about this Catherina Nov 2015 #30
It seems the very definition of hubris to instruct others on when to mourn. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #35
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