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55. "Ideas are people too!" or something.

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 03:37 PM

Nov 2015

If criticizing an idea is the same thing as bigotry toward a person, then DU is by definition an anti-conservative hate site.

It's a stupid definition.

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It's OK to be an atheist [View all] FrodosPet Nov 2015 OP

I like it! nt Quackers Nov 2015 #1

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #150

I started to post something else. When I read it back, I was pretty sure it would get hidden. I... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #2

Bullshit! Dr. Strange Nov 2015 #3

Why is it not OK to gaspee Nov 2015 #4

I guess I just don't get it SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #142

Yeah, whatever gaspee Nov 2015 #166

I hate that fucking pic. gcomeau Nov 2015 #5

If an adult believed in the Tooth Fairy, we'd rightfully so, mock them NightWatcher Nov 2015 #8

Yup. gcomeau Nov 2015 #13

This. kairos12 Nov 2015 #74

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #106

Amen to that. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #116

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #129

100% correct (nt) Orrex Nov 2015 #11

^^^ this katsy Nov 2015 #17

Agreed. Saying a religion is nutty is miles apart from mysogynistic homophobic laws and violence JanMichael Nov 2015 #19

Also, I look at people as they're nuts when they say "God made man". BlueJazz Nov 2015 #56

Very well-said. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #31

+1 demmiblue Nov 2015 #37

Well the deal is, insecure believers WANT criticism classified like that. trotsky Nov 2015 #46

It's a deliberate defense mechanism for the religious. A false equation. n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #53

I agree. This is bullshit. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #61

Thank you...I agree 100%. Moostache Nov 2015 #94

"Double standard galore" - EXACTLY. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #130

Agree n/t Bonx Nov 2015 #76

I have similar feelings about it. Gormy Cuss Nov 2015 #81

Thank you! nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2015 #170

I couldn't agree more. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #190

Good points about the comparison. But what is considered "silly" is relative, Zorra Nov 2015 #204

When it comes to belief, what is silly should be seen as universal. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #209

Sorry, if you are doing something stupid or mean, guided by your religious beliefs NightWatcher Nov 2015 #6

Agreed Orrex Nov 2015 #10

So what you're really saying it's Ok to be an atheist... MindPilot Nov 2015 #7

Much like national borders. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #18

That is kind of tangential to the conversation, but i don't disagree. MindPilot Nov 2015 #25

I would say national borders edhopper Nov 2015 #28

6 days is subjective too The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #40

All true edhopper Nov 2015 #44

It's all our attempt at objectivity in a universe that doesn't give a damn The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #114

I would say edhopper Nov 2015 #118

^THE THREAD WINNER!!! NT LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #34

Yeah, that is basically what i got from it too. Hey, I believe in Leprechauns randys1 Nov 2015 #126

Yep! RedCappedBandit Nov 2015 #171

Your God is not real, edhopper Nov 2015 #9

It's that classic joke: Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #14

funny :D edhopper Nov 2015 #16

Very true. There are places where my atheism could get me killed. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #22

Yes edhopper Nov 2015 #24

No, you may NOT! MindPilot Nov 2015 #27

MEAT IS MURDER!!!! edhopper Nov 2015 #30

You mean like places where not following Islam results in a death sentence? Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #50

None I can think of in the US, no. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #73

Atheists have been fired from jobs. That's a bit beyond social rejection. Lars39 Nov 2015 #80

My family were "shunned" by the neighbor across the street Mariana Nov 2015 #161

I guess he was just so filled with that Christian Love that he had no room left for friendliness. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #205

I guess some people would say Mariana Nov 2015 #212

Oh, shit, I just realized Mariana Nov 2015 #213

Oh no! Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #214

Is anger and hostility a requisite reaction to incorrect people FrodosPet Nov 2015 #182

It was meant edhopper Nov 2015 #184

Oh thank non-existent God you gave me permission to be an atheist! (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #12

You're welcome! FrodosPet Nov 2015 #185

One of those is not like the others whatthehey Nov 2015 #15

... trotsky Nov 2015 #49

I second you and the kitteh. hifiguy Nov 2015 #79

Bravo! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #108

Thread winner stage left Nov 2015 #208

UNREC brooklynite Nov 2015 #20

Perfectly okay to make fun of mythology, oh, and everyone is born snooper2 Nov 2015 #21

? SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #143

You are born believing "There is no God"? FrodosPet Nov 2015 #183

We are ALL born without belief in a god. Being an atheist is the default position. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #192

This thread edhopper Nov 2015 #23

Must be true RussBLib Nov 2015 #141

reality? SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #144

The reality that questioning religious belief edhopper Nov 2015 #156

Sorry, I've been working a lot lately FrodosPet Nov 2015 #179

Alas, it kind of is FrodosPet Nov 2015 #178

The stereotype edhopper Nov 2015 #180

Shaming the homophobic, the misogynistic, the racist, and the hateful is okay. Iggo Nov 2015 #26

I have no problems with spirituality hifiguy Nov 2015 #29

As a secular humanist... Bigmack Nov 2015 #32

This Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #152

This post represents religious privilege... MellowDem Nov 2015 #33

Boom. hifiguy Nov 2015 #35

+1000 FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #39

Exactamente. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #62

I agree almost 100%...one nit is missing in your description... Moostache Nov 2015 #98

What you don't realize edhopper Nov 2015 #36

Actually, Rudolph was into brandy. Koinos Nov 2015 #52

Is being homophobic, misogynistic and hateful in the name of Islam okay? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #38

It's OK for muslims hifiguy Nov 2015 #41

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #109

I chalk it up to a particularly smarmy and hifiguy Nov 2015 #111

Do you have any links for that claim? cpwm17 Nov 2015 #140

Still no link for that claim that cpwm17 Nov 2015 #198

There could have been room... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #43

And some nonsense about reindeer ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #45

"Ideas are people too!" or something. arcane1 Nov 2015 #55

Being homophobic, misogynistic and hateful is NOT ok in ANY circumstance FrodosPet Nov 2015 #189

K & R for the sanity of the OP's graphic. Koinos Nov 2015 #42

Really? edhopper Nov 2015 #47

Okay, I was thinking mostly of the first part: Koinos Nov 2015 #93

I bet there are plenty of religious beliefs edhopper Nov 2015 #105

Absurd beliefs deserve to be ridiculed. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #194

Can i shame religions that are against women?msilly post. Nt Logical Nov 2015 #48

Being an atheist is fine. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #51

Stupid ideas deserve derision. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #58

It's fine to sneer at invisible sky daddies. You have no proof they exist. MillennialDem Nov 2015 #60

Saying "Pray for Paris" or whatever is obnoxious. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #69

Wow. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #84

I'm pointing out to you that what you think is perfectly normal is offensive to many. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #121

I've always been a big fan of sauce for the goose. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #131

Epicurus: panader0 Nov 2015 #113

Yes. He had it figured out long ago. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #119

One of my favorite quotes hifiguy Nov 2015 #120

using this quote here shows a fundamenal misunderstand SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #145

well, tough. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #89

Believers and atheists Lamonte Nov 2015 #54

I'm sure you take a similar view with regard to Codeine Nov 2015 #57

what about agnostics agnostic102 Nov 2015 #59

Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Hell agnostic and theist are not MillennialDem Nov 2015 #66

You speak the truth. trotsky Nov 2015 #67

Most atheists are agnostics. I don't know for certain if a god (or gods) exist or not, but I have MillennialDem Nov 2015 #70

Every atheist I personally know is in the same boat. trotsky Nov 2015 #99

Richard also said he's a 6.9. I'd classify myself as similar. At least as far as the gods that MillennialDem Nov 2015 #107

The Jersey Devil is real! Dorian Gray Nov 2015 #139

First of all, the rules of debate require that the hifiguy Nov 2015 #64

but what does it mean to know? SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #146

On the deepest philosophical levels that is hifiguy Nov 2015 #160

Here's the thing. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #65

+1 MillennialDem Nov 2015 #71

And the "cosmos" of the people who dreamed up the Abrahamic creation myth hifiguy Nov 2015 #88

Yep. Serious misunderstanding of probabilities here. hifiguy Nov 2015 #92

Where is your evidence of this assertion that atheists claim knowledge of the unknowable? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #75

As a matter of logic hifiguy Nov 2015 #82

True, but that's assertions from best available evidence, not claiming we have knowledge of the... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #85

Cosmologists and theoretical physicists hifiguy Nov 2015 #90

like logic works SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #147

Logic, and the scientific method that derives from it hifiguy Nov 2015 #162

Not a true statement... Moostache Nov 2015 #115

kettle black? SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #148

Christian reindeer will never know I am an atheist reindeer unless they aka-chmeee Nov 2015 #63

Although you caught some flak here deutsey Nov 2015 #68

The OP is a perfect case in point for 'faith' vs 'action'. The baiting, bigoted original post was Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #154

Matter of perception, I suppose deutsey Nov 2015 #155

Does your persception see the OP discussing his 'points'? Do you wish to defend his points? Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #158

Look, I know you have an axe that you're grinding on this subject deutsey Nov 2015 #159

Serious question for you, FrodosPet: Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #72

Thank you. I get so sick of that stuff. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #132

LOTS of Christian assholery, no doubt FrodosPet Nov 2015 #169

But in our society saying "God Bless You" is not considered offensive, yet Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #203

This is bull MNBrewer Nov 2015 #77

What if you consider yourself to be a human being and nothing more? randome Nov 2015 #78

So religious beliefs should be given the same level of respect as people? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #83

Religions are people, too, my friend! randome Nov 2015 #128

... Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #215

Unless you are Mormon, a Scientologist, or a RW Christian Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #86

Boom! nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #87

Their Invisible Man In the Sky told them hifiguy Nov 2015 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #100

Seems to minimize or even trivialize the beliefs and world-views of other people when we say... LanternWaste Nov 2015 #95

Fart noises Solly Mack Nov 2015 #96

. . . hifiguy Nov 2015 #102

Ummm.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #97

Disagree. Moostache Nov 2015 #101

Ah. Quite true. Nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #127

I like that, even though it said nothing about agnostics, but that's OK. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #103

What does an epistemological position have to do with who believes what? whatthehey Nov 2015 #157

Screw that... lame54 Nov 2015 #104

I think it's entirely appropriate to shame them when Vinca Nov 2015 #110

And here's the BIG difference: MindPilot Nov 2015 #138

This right here Lordquinton Nov 2015 #163

And a lot of them get a real charge Mariana Nov 2015 #165

Hmm, nice lesson, but it's disrespectful of caribou/reindeer HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #112

Glad someone knows enough about what's OK to be handing out such judgements. eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #117

Thanks for posting this....... truegrit44 Nov 2015 #122

Oh yes, love this thread! Serendipity! nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #134

Imagine ozone_man Nov 2015 #123

Lol bigwillq Nov 2015 #124

Being a thinking adult... AlbertCat Nov 2015 #125

LOL...authoritarians are such silly people. Rex Nov 2015 #135

Thank you ever so - for the excellent replies you called forth. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #136

Nearly Zen nt JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #137

If I had an ignore list the rec list for this would be a good addition to it Fumesucker Nov 2015 #149

I recced it to get the replies seen. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #153

So religion is out of bounds of human enquiry? Yorktown Nov 2015 #151

No, I think you've pegged it. ozone_man Nov 2015 #167

Black or white, true or false, up or down FrodosPet Nov 2015 #188

That's an image full of false equivalency Bradical79 Nov 2015 #164

Yeah. No. Pretty big stretch to target atheism there. DirkGently Nov 2015 #168

Mockery gets people to kill themselves FrodosPet Nov 2015 #172

It’s funny how inconvenient my lack of faith as a bereaved mother can be for those on the outside. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #175

Why don't more athiests and non-secular people start stepping up then? FrodosPet Nov 2015 #181

Would that stop people making cruel comments about your deceased being in "a better place"? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #186

I highly doubt it FrodosPet Nov 2015 #187

The grieving parent is under no obligation to coddle a theistic busybody Orrex Nov 2015 #202

In many areas, there just aren't enough atheists Mariana Nov 2015 #195

They do. All the time. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #196

Because atheists do good things already, but they're not a monolithic group? DirkGently Nov 2015 #199

I wish we could edhopper Nov 2015 #201

... DirkGently Nov 2015 #206

Very well said. stage left Nov 2015 #210

President Obama has said Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #173

Apparently, he should be mocked then? FrodosPet Nov 2015 #174

Oh, well, then. I'm a Democrat, and he is too, so I guess I have to believe in God now! Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #207

Nails it.. whathehell Nov 2015 #176

This is DU blasphemy! ileus Nov 2015 #177

How about: just get a grip, calm the fuck down, and try to act like a well-behaved person? Quantess Nov 2015 #191

Very good. tabasco Nov 2015 #193

It's OK to be a believer. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #197

I see there are 199 posts here edhopper Nov 2015 #200

but he still has a stupid nose. Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #211