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TeddyR

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14. I'm not familiar

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:43 AM

Jan 2016

With the part of the Second Amendment that states the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed unless gun violence falls below a certain level." And despite the fact that murder rates are falling, I'm still seeing a low of news about murders every day, so if someone wants a gun for self-protection they don't have to justify themselves. Here in DC a guy was beaten and stabbed to death on the metro several months ago in front of numerous witnesses who were too scared to intervene. If one of those witnesses had a firearm - largely prohibited to citizens of DC outside the home (though of course that doesn't prevent the criminals from carrying them) -- then maybe that young man would still be alive.

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So, if violence with guns has fallen so much and we should all be so proud about it... [View all] boston bean Jan 2016 OP

There you go again Boston Bean JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #1

Many problems with your theory Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #2

Is it my theory? boston bean Jan 2016 #3

There appears to be no reasoning with these extremists--like suggesting (to Linus) we take his hlthe2b Jan 2016 #4

Which extremists? The gun toters or the gun grabbers? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #13

Given the "gun grabbing" meme is such a myth, I think you can figure it out... unless hlthe2b Jan 2016 #17

Then why all the constant praise for "Australian style" gun control? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #20

Honestly, I'd be satisfied with U.K. style gun control, seems reasonable. n/t Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #23

But I've been assured no one wants to take guns away. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #24

Well, that's just not true, I'll agree with you there, but I certainly don't view my view as... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #25

85 people (give or take) will die today from gun related incidents. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #5

The gun culture Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #6

In the house where I grew up, we seldom locked our doors. In fact we jonno99 Jan 2016 #26

We did I guess Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #29

Why take the risk? ileus Jan 2016 #7

According to the stats, you are more likely to be a victim of gun violence by possessing a gun... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #21

That statistic TeddyR Jan 2016 #27

Yep - that is an interesting stat. It's right up there with the stat that those who own swimming jonno99 Jan 2016 #30

Actually, you bring up a pertinent point, I wonder how many studies controlled for that... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #34

I'd like to see more info here TeddyR Jan 2016 #36

It's worse than just not being controlled for Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #39

Let me know when law enforcement officers go unarmed - then I'll take your stat to heart. nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #28

Not sure how that is relevant, they are usually, or I should say hopefully well trained in how... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #35

It is relevant in that law enforcement officers are most often the 2nd or 3rd party to arrive jonno99 Jan 2016 #37

I haven't had an automobile accident in 25 years pintobean Jan 2016 #8

I'd say because it hasn't fallen nearly far enough. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #9

If fences keep trespassers out and trespassers stay out why do we need fences? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #10

I notice a lack of responses to this salient point. ;) n/t X_Digger Jan 2016 #32

Unless you put signs up saying you are armed and dangerous in your front yard... Humanist_Activist Jan 2016 #33

Guns give the illusion of protection (a myth brought to "us" by the NRA) etherealtruth Jan 2016 #11

Even if its true that we currently don't need guns for protection at all aikoaiko Jan 2016 #12

I'm not familiar TeddyR Jan 2016 #14

You can own guns and just leave them locked up when not in use as well NickB79 Jan 2016 #15

I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town hack89 Jan 2016 #16

Increased sensitivity. Igel Jan 2016 #18

How do you deal with folks that feel insecure all the time? Rex Jan 2016 #19

Fascinating insight TeddyR Jan 2016 #31

LOL. Rex Jan 2016 #38

So, yeah, that's the other side of that quadrilateral Recursion Jan 2016 #22

And maybe the cause of the drop in violence is more of the right people with guns Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #40

So when crime is low, we don't need guns for protection krispos42 Jan 2016 #41