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50. That begs the question O.

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 01:04 PM

Jan 2016

Have you? I have read it many times, as well as the Old and New Testament. There is much that I find disagreeable in all 3 books. And much I find to admire. Fortunately the good outweighs the bad, in my view.

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Dear Liberals: Being Critical of Islam Is Not Racism [View all] ericson00 Jan 2016 OP

Nice restatement of your previous post, but your Islamophobia is showing. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #1

why is HuffPo publishing it if what I posted, legit and not shoot-from-hip ericson00 Jan 2016 #3

Get over your fear. USA and Israel not built by scaredy-cats Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #70

our government and others around the world ericson00 Jan 2016 #72

It is a crazy phobia. Better to have spent the trillions against US poverty than against Iraq. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #76

they stole countless millions to foment what they now steal countless billions mhatrw Jan 2016 #92

Can't speak for that poster leftynyc Jan 2016 #82

Perhaps you are not a person of color shot by the likes of Bernhard Goetz or a cop? Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #89

obviously not, so 19 scary Saudis are right up there with bird flu. mhatrw Jan 2016 #95

Perhaps that is the difference for some of us. It is a very real and ever present threat. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #141

I just happened to come back online leftynyc Jan 2016 #147

I know what you mean. I watched it from 7th Ave South, right near St. Vincent's Hospital. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #157

NY is still magical leftynyc Jan 2016 #161

Yes, it is. But for a long time, I was shaken up by that event. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #170

Understandable leftynyc Jan 2016 #197

In the face of solid statistics and reliable info, ronnie624 Jan 2016 #185

I live in Boston and I'm not afraid mythology Jan 2016 #228

You mean like the target of a drone? mhatrw Jan 2016 #241

Israel's aphartied regime has been very good at propagating fear arthritisR_US Jan 2016 #191

HuffPo has published Jeb Bush and many conservatives. It's your problematic commentary & attitude. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #86

Facebook meme... Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #223

I'll Plead Guilty Then ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #7

The jury is still out Professor, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #15

Not all Americans ShrimpPoboy Jan 2016 #45

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #49

You question whether they have actually read the Koran? oberliner Jan 2016 #24

That begs the question O. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #50

I have not read it oberliner Jan 2016 #55

Understood and agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #60

All religions (even buddhist) have committed acts of aggression or terror. Therefore you indict Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #91

people aren't going around the globe blowing themselves up yelling ericson00 Jan 2016 #174

Yes they are. Who cares if they are blowing themselves up. The end result is the same. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #181

what part of "around the world" do you not get? ericson00 Jan 2016 #183

Of course, but you don't distinguish between Islam and Radical Islam. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #190

first off, I refer you to ericson00 Jan 2016 #198

I can't help but notice you didn't get a response. Marr Jan 2016 #277

Daesh and their version of Islam was Islam floriduck Jan 2016 #166

the strange views go far outside of Saudi Arabia ericson00 Jan 2016 #200

Being "critical" =/= discrimination. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #10

True. But if I posit Islam as the problem, and that has been done by many posters here, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #16

Agreed, but with a caveat: Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #26

Caveat accepted because you are correct. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #34

Yeah...a lot of people tend to oversimplify this kind of thing. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #88

Your the one being irrational. Islam is definitely implicated with the terrorist attacks snagglepuss Jan 2016 #127

Who attacks more people worldwide, the US military or Muslims? mhatrw Jan 2016 #163

Apples and and oranges. snagglepuss Jan 2016 #184

Again, the problem is not the religion itself but the segment of leadership mhatrw Jan 2016 #216

+++++++ Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #225

Christianity doesn't allow for multiple wives TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #234

So Mormons are not Christians? mhatrw Jan 2016 #237

No, they aren't. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #239

Isn't it largely the same effect whether you are a fundy Christian, an ultra-orthodox Jew, mhatrw Jan 2016 #245

Well, I am not dialoguing with a Muslim, am I? TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #255

Read about the history of polygamy in the world. mhatrw Jan 2016 #259

Absolutely not. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #329

Mormons do believe in the divinity and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ though. el_bryanto Jan 2016 #335

I have no skin in this game TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #337

Fair enough; I am a Mormon and I consider myself a Christian el_bryanto Jan 2016 #339

Excerpts from Islam's holy texts FrodosPet Jan 2016 #267

And the God of the Judeo-Christian Old Testament does not command genocide? mhatrw Jan 2016 #268

Yes it is FrodosPet Jan 2016 #269

Nothing at all. But come on. The Old Testament/Torah are rife with the same crap. mhatrw Jan 2016 #270

Most of the Old Testament stuff is ignored in modern practice FrodosPet Jan 2016 #271

It's the fact of the existance of 10 Islamic nations that use religious law as secular law and thus Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #280

Nobody pays attention to HIS ugliness anymore. ALLAH's ugliness, on the other hand... sibelian Jan 2016 #294

How is that relevant? sibelian Jan 2016 #289

The only thing being implicated in terrorist attacks is the actor. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #213

Being critical of Islam is discrimination? oberliner Jan 2016 #23

Being critical of Islam itself is discrimination. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #39

Do you think being critical of Republicanism is discrimination? oberliner Jan 2016 #42

There is more to this point. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #48

That's a separate question, though oberliner Jan 2016 #52

Can we refine that further to: guillaumeb Jan 2016 #56

Which beliefs or aspects are you going to approve for criticism? trotsky Jan 2016 #71

What I said was: guillaumeb Jan 2016 #211

Thank you for quoting the very words that indeed needed clarification. trotsky Jan 2016 #217

My belief is that all aspects of any belief system can be criticized, or analyzed, or rejected. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #218

I'm not sure I understand the distinction you are making oberliner Jan 2016 #123

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #139

Agreed O. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #219

But you conflate Muslims with Islam, you say it is discrimination to criticize Islam, then you shift Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #110

Gay Muslims are LESS than Western Muslims, and Gay Westerners, apparently. sibelian Jan 2016 #298

Not, not agreed at all. Islam is a BELIEF struture, criticism of it is not discrimination sibelian Jan 2016 #293

I protect no faith. All can be criticized for theology and practice. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #330

Okidoke then. sibelian Jan 2016 #334

NO, being critical of any religous idea is not necessarily discrimination. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #61

Most excellent post. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #111

Excellent points. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #212

If criticism is equal to discrimination in this case leftynyc Jan 2016 #75

what it really demonstrates is the fault line of ericson00 Jan 2016 #153

Criticism for the most part is is merely observation - not descrimination. Descrimination jonno99 Jan 2016 #79

My choice of a po'boy sandwich over a Big Mac is evidence of my discriminating palate. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #254

Trump RW nuttery is more in line with Islamic sensibilities katsy Jan 2016 #83

Posters should know that you have been banned from the IP group Mosby Jan 2016 #125

Well, that explains a lot. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #140

Wow leftynyc Jan 2016 #154

Thanks for the heads up. Hypocrisy knows no bounds. grossproffit Jan 2016 #175

I can still remember looking out my office window... stone space Jan 2016 #2

the Democratic Party could've fixed that ericson00 Jan 2016 #5

Ver well put. What is being posted here can be disguised, and sometimes disguised quite well, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #8

I have zero fear of others; hence why I hold views on Mexican immigration ericson00 Jan 2016 #12

Your same views were also held by many nativists in the US, guillaumeb Jan 2016 #18

I live in Texas and it does my heart good to see some of the Mexican immigrants assimilate Jim Beard Jan 2016 #59

ericson00 made that statement, not me. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #63

"Texas was actually part of Mexico until the US stole the land?" Not really... EX500rider Jan 2016 #126

I apologize for my unfamiliarity with this part of US history. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #214

It can certainly try....didn't work out so well last time in 1860's.. EX500rider Jan 2016 #281

You don't see the flags weeks on end and UNDER the US flag Jim Beard Jan 2016 #130

One of my neighbors flies a Polish flag. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #215

Distaste for an idea, or rejection of it, is not fear of the other. It is in fact taking the other Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #62

Exactly. Spew Jan 2016 #137

Yes. n/t Adsos Letter Jan 2016 #305

Of course it isn't. PeteSelman Jan 2016 #4

America's first out gay imam would probably argue the homophobic piece. KamaAina Jan 2016 #9

Whereas the thousands of homosexuals executed in Islamic nations wouldn't... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #13

+1. JudyM Jan 2016 #22

The first of how many? oberliner Jan 2016 #31

That he is "America's first out gay imam" kind of settles the argument out of the gate. n/t trotsky Jan 2016 #74

I doubt that he would, he is an honest man. Also he's an American who converted well into adulthood Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #118

Religion isn't the problem. Religion is used by societies to justify pre-existing culture norms. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #150

precisely. "religion" is really the symptom, not the cause. nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2016 #169

Dear ericson00: Being Critical of Islamist Jihadists Is Not The Same As Being Critical of Islam KamaAina Jan 2016 #6

but how about the sentiments with which non-jihadists might agree with ericson00 Jan 2016 #11

How about them? Orsino Jan 2016 #30

the Pew polled ones: ericson00 Jan 2016 #37

Nice poll. Shows Muslim support for democracy, religious freedom, women's right to divorce and pampango Jan 2016 #113

how about honor killing, abortion, and gay rights ericson00 Jan 2016 #187

The statistics speak for themselves. hifiguy Jan 2016 #307

well said. Liberals who ignore them or excuse them ericson00 Jan 2016 #312

Islam is a political ideology, not a race. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #14

Islam is a religion, and like all skydaddy religions, Islam is fucking stupid. backscatter712 Jan 2016 #87

Islam is all that ^^^. Plus a lot more, making it a hateful political ideology, IMO. nt thereismore Jan 2016 #106

The big problem is they mash religion and political power together. backscatter712 Jan 2016 #128

Welded together. I like that expression. Very prescient. thereismore Jan 2016 #129

We've kind of brought it on ourselves. The hand-wringing to "not offend" has become an insistence.. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #17

well said. It looks more like the GOP looked in '92 with Buchanan and Quayle ericson00 Jan 2016 #19

Bravo! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #32

+1000 leftynyc Jan 2016 #96

Dear ericson00: Being Critical of Israel is Not Extremism. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #20

please stop the thread hijacking ericson00 Jan 2016 #40

I'm responding DIRECTLY to content in your post that you wrote and posted publicly. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #44

Another protected class of people (Palestinians) from criticism; ericson00 Jan 2016 #53

You believing Palestinians protected from criticism (not) does not excuse protecting Israel fr crit Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #64

Excellent post Bernardo !!! Jim Beard Jan 2016 #69

Unless you are Palestinian Depaysement Jan 2016 #159

time to ask: why does the far-left have a Palestinian fetish? ericson00 Jan 2016 #162

They aren't Depaysement Jan 2016 #165

a lot of American money goes to China, Egypt, we did have trade relations with Sudan ericson00 Jan 2016 #167

"The Jews win" Depaysement Jan 2016 #176

Thank you, good post Jim Beard Jan 2016 #177

the vast majority of Jews support Israel, and its the haters who conflate ericson00 Jan 2016 #182

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #247

I agree and I don't think you are thread hijacking. Some are overly sensitive. Jim Beard Jan 2016 #66

More deflection leftynyc Jan 2016 #97

It is here. bdwker Jan 2016 #21

Being critical of Islam is also a dog-whistle to racists and xenophobes... Orsino Jan 2016 #25

A whistle that many at DU can hear, apparently. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #29

Also, you'd better not criticize Republicanism! Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #264

I don't remember that sort of hand-wringing during the Catholic church sex abuse scandals. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #35

People who paid attention also recognized it as a conspiracy of silence... Orsino Jan 2016 #54

Those people did not blame it on Christianity as a whole, and then go on jeff47 Jan 2016 #65

Plenty of those same voices want that as part of the pretext for destroying churches Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #115

And plenty of those same voices are now demanding we treat Islam as a monolithic bloc jeff47 Jan 2016 #117

No. Not really. They seem determined to overlook mob sexual assault in the name of PC-ism. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #120

Everyone should oppose any ideology they find to be anti-progressive values oberliner Jan 2016 #36

Being critical of Israel is also a dog-whistle to racists and xenophobes oberliner Jan 2016 #38

The "everything my opponent says is a code/dog whistle" is cowardly politics, IMHO. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #107

So should we alert on posts about the Westboro Baptist church then? sibelian Jan 2016 #340

If by "abuse" you mean saying nasty things... Orsino Jan 2016 #342

I was really hoping to make something of a deeper point there... sibelian Jan 2016 #343

As Long As You Hold The View That Being Critical of Israel is not Anti-Semetic... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #27

I will be critical of the state of Israel, state of Iran, Poland etc anytime anywhere and Jim Beard Jan 2016 #78

Subverting the needs of victims of sexual assault to fears of Islamophobia or RW extremism will Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #28

Good article - thanks for posting! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #33

If you're not critical of Islam, you're not a liberal Dems to Win Jan 2016 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #152

Cultural relativism seems to mean "throw away liberal values" to some. sibelian Jan 2016 #284

ouch... nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2016 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author bvf Jan 2016 #43

Bigotry Rebkeh Jan 2016 #46

So if disliking belief systems is bigotry, isn't anti-Republicanism bigotry, too? Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #144

Is opposing the death penalty "bigotry" against those who support it? sibelian Jan 2016 #291

Not this again Rebkeh Jan 2016 #295

It is a constitutional right to own guns. Are gun control advocates BIGOTS? sibelian Jan 2016 #297

Don't bother Matrosov Jan 2016 #47

I've been here a lot longer than you leftynyc Jan 2016 #103

Thank you. Good post. Agree. 840high Jan 2016 #109

I know, I have never been more disappointed in so-called liberals than I have over this issue. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #168

We certainly don't need them flooding our country like Europe Jim Beard Jan 2016 #178

Freedom of expression? You wrote a discriminatory remark: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2016 #51

WOW - Great article leftynyc Jan 2016 #57

Is the Westboro Baptist Church the same as all of Christianity? jeff47 Jan 2016 #58

Of course not, but at the same time their fellow Christians looked the other way as Westboro did Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #114

Xenophobia and stereotypes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #67

Discrimination also means the ability to tell the difference whatthehey Jan 2016 #68

The regressive left isn't doing Muslims any favors by shielding Islam from criticism LittleBlue Jan 2016 #73

What always shocks me is how willing some liberals are... trotsky Jan 2016 #77

Good point. The right does it to appease their angry god. LittleBlue Jan 2016 #84

I'm not sure if it's that The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #94

"Does anyone on the left defend Christianity over human rights?" trotsky Jan 2016 #99

Fair enough The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #102

So your claim would be that human rights are just another kind of religious belief? n/t trotsky Jan 2016 #105

Like our concept of time, it doesn't exist somewhere out there The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #112

Well no, of course not. trotsky Jan 2016 #116

It's all subjective is what I'm saying The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #121

You should read this: trotsky Jan 2016 #131

None of that changes anything about rights only existing in the human mind The2ndWheel Jan 2016 #204

I'll tell you again, that's a different subject. trotsky Jan 2016 #205

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #171

+10000 ericson00 Jan 2016 #173

Exactly so. Allowing any religion to exert life-threatening force over a populace sibelian Jan 2016 #283

You've just broken down regressive attitudes in two paragraphs LittleBlue Jan 2016 #300

A truly wonderful post. hifiguy Jan 2016 #308

Their belief system is uniquely EVIL, so our virtuous belief system must murder them all. mhatrw Jan 2016 #322

Sigh. I don't understand why you're insisting on this. sibelian Jan 2016 #336

So what is your solution? To highlight how and why "our" value system is so superior to "theirs"? mhatrw Jan 2016 #348

I get it, believe me, OBVIOUSLY it's patronising, but if we don't openly state what we value sibelian Jan 2016 #357

Sheer mass hypnosis... HickFromTheTick Jan 2016 #80

+1000 katsy Jan 2016 #98

Nope. Just bigotry. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #81

So if I'm critical of Islam and Christianity's complete marginalization of women (to put it nicely) Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #145

Nope. I wasn't talking about that but there really is no way for you to know that based on my post. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #148

But Maher is critical of the treatment of women and LGBT while you seem to say that if we Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #278

Oh, piss off. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #282

no one ever said it was 4dsc Jan 2016 #85

Dear Racists, discrimination based on religious beliefs is un-American. mhatrw Jan 2016 #90

Except as #68 shows whatthehey Jan 2016 #93

And most people in the South used to be in favor of slavery. mhatrw Jan 2016 #101

They are not "my" "fukc"ing charts. They are the opinions of fucking Muslims whatthehey Jan 2016 #104

I notice you ignored the 80% of Americans who just supported killing tens mhatrw Jan 2016 #119

Thank you Dretownblues Jan 2016 #244

Because Muslims are the MIC's enemy du jour mhatrw Jan 2016 #253

"Being Critical of Islam Is Not Racism" but racists (GOP) love to criticize OTHERS like Muslims. pampango Jan 2016 #100

The synagogue that I belong to issued a statement against Islamaphoia karynnj Jan 2016 #108

1000+ Uponthegears Jan 2016 #122

sooner or later, elected officials emulate their constituencies ericson00 Jan 2016 #133

I think you responded in the wrong place karynnj Jan 2016 #135

I read the statement at your link Dems to Win Jan 2016 #136

Many of the people involved have a lot of expertise on the issue karynnj Jan 2016 #138

115 replies, 13 recs? Speaks for itself. closeupready Jan 2016 #124

Actually it is sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #132

K&R to this article romanic Jan 2016 #134

Bullshit, Muslims are singled out for problems that are not unique to the Muslim World. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #142

You consider Iran a leftynyc Jan 2016 #149

I am NOT saying that the Islamic world should be immune to criticism. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #155

Well, I like Maher leftynyc Jan 2016 #158

I suggest reading "Holy War" by Karen Armstrong. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #164

+1 ronnie624 Jan 2016 #194

Thanks! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #201

bahahahahah ericson00 Jan 2016 #151

So you have nothing, got it. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #156

Islamic World =/= Africa, in terms of economics, society ericson00 Jan 2016 #160

What you are doing is ignoring the Muslim world's problems davidn3600 Jan 2016 #186

Yep. Belief systems are not people. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #143

The violent moron wings of all religions and ideologies suck. hunter Jan 2016 #146

And to that I would add -- Dear Liberals: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #179

beautiful. +100000 ericson00 Jan 2016 #180

There are many DUers who blame America, Bush, or Obama Democat Jan 2016 #188

Yeah, don't dare recognize any commonalities between your tribe and their tribe! mhatrw Jan 2016 #222

Hyperbole much? smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #250

David and Goliath fallacy... Described HERE: sibelian Jan 2016 #318

It also strikes me as an oddly colonial, infantilization of the Muslim world. Marr Jan 2016 #226

"they" are no more a monolith than "we" are. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #242

I had a college professor, many years ago... Adsos Letter Jan 2016 #306

Exactly. sibelian Jan 2016 #338

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #249

Waiting for "Christianophobia" complaints on DU Democat Jan 2016 #189

Not all terrorists are Muslims but all terrorists are radical nut jobs. nt arthritisR_US Jan 2016 #192

The first time I went to NY nilesobek Jan 2016 #193

You're not criticizing Islam betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #195

Racist? Which race? (no text) Quantess Jan 2016 #196

tell me why so many people with 10k posts+ ericson00 Jan 2016 #199

Another thing, Muslims come in all skin colors. Quantess Jan 2016 #203

well said, its a perfect summation of why this discussion is so difficult ericson00 Jan 2016 #263

What race are Jewish people? betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #206

Jewry is an ethnoreligion ericson00 Jan 2016 #207

So what. Jews still aren't a race so people who don't like them aren't racist by your standard. betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #208

ONLY hating a race, ethnicity, or ethnoreligion (like Jews and Yazidis) IS racism ericson00 Jan 2016 #209

You aren't being critical of Islam, and discrimination against religious groups is illegal too. betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #210

This is UTTERLY disingenuous sibelian Jan 2016 #287

The original post called for not allowing immigration from muslim countries betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #310

Make up your mind, betterdemsonly! Quantess Jan 2016 #229

Here is why this criticism isn't based on racism LittleBlue Jan 2016 #221

Yeah, Islamophobia has nothing to do with tribalism! Nothing at all. mhatrw Jan 2016 #227

Can any criticism of Islamic culture or religion not be Islamophobia? LittleBlue Jan 2016 #243

Criticize away! But don't pretend that Islam is the most mhatrw Jan 2016 #258

Historically, it is not the most evil thing ever LittleBlue Jan 2016 #260

Theocracies suck. But who had the bright idea to invade and occupy secular Iraq? mhatrw Jan 2016 #265

They don't seem to be attempting that with BUDDHISM, do they? sibelian Jan 2016 #299

LOL. It's the exact SAME weakness that we Americans have! mhatrw Jan 2016 #304

...meaning... WHAT? sibelian Jan 2016 #316

But the standard American Exceptionalist response is winning Muslim hearts & minds everywhere! mhatrw Jan 2016 #319

I would agree that the neoliberal position is stupid, yes... sibelian Jan 2016 #344

And what, other that my suggestions, would you advise as steps toward solving these problems? mhatrw Jan 2016 #349

... (shrug) sibelian Jan 2016 #354

Racist my arse. These people believe things that are foul. sibelian Jan 2016 #286

He is not criticizing Islam and you know it. betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #311

"YOU THERE! WHY DO YOU HATE MUSLIMS?" sibelian Jan 2016 #317

So what is your suggestion? A never ending Crusade against those vile Muslim infidels? mhatrw Jan 2016 #320

Well... sibelian Jan 2016 #341

Do you actually know any Muslims living in the United States? mhatrw Jan 2016 #350

That's got nothing to do with talking about, I'm in EUROPE. sibelian Jan 2016 #356

Dear bigot rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #202

Practicing Muslims are bigoted against gays and women. Quantess Jan 2016 #235

So are many practicing Christians rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #262

I'm also bigoted against fundie Christians. Quantess Jan 2016 #331

So NotAllChristians (or Muslims) then? rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #333

There are a bunch of different groups of "bigots" with conflicting beliefs, when you put it that way Quantess Jan 2016 #345

Couldn't agree more-- particularly with this: Marr Jan 2016 #220

exactly. For the good of America, the world, and the Dem party, ericson00 Jan 2016 #224

That's right! For the good of our warlords, we much recognize The Other mhatrw Jan 2016 #231

Because we don't want to fight their intolerance and bigotry with our own? mhatrw Jan 2016 #230

So you admit your defense of Islam is disingenuous. Marr Jan 2016 #233

You so, so desperately want EVERYONE to recognize the UNIQUELY EVIL nature of Islam. Right? mhatrw Jan 2016 #236

No, I want people to stop making excuses for misogynistic, anti-gay systems of thought. Marr Jan 2016 #246

LOL. "By any honest measure"? What about Catholicism? Can women become priests? mhatrw Jan 2016 #251

Where does your interlocutor support Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? sibelian Jan 2016 #346

Where are Muslims extrajudicially murdering completely innocent Christians with drone strikes? mhatrw Jan 2016 #351

"They cut off heads, stone women, and toss gays off of buildings! How barbaric!" - Yes! IT IS! sibelian Jan 2016 #355

Bravo! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #256

I don't have to work hard to prove anything given the fact that your real problem is with betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #273

Where did I 'call for discrimination'? Marr Jan 2016 #275

The original poster called for not allowing people to imigrate from muslim countries betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #309

Acting like "Islam" is a monolithic entity is, however, shockingly ignorant Spider Jerusalem Jan 2016 #232

I am acquainted with several non-practicing muslim women, and also Quantess Jan 2016 #238

Same here. TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #240

The ex-muslims tend to be cool people, and Quantess Jan 2016 #248

I know a whole family of ex-Muslims TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #257

Its "monolithicity" depends on the location of it's followers. sibelian Jan 2016 #296

Some is, some isn't. cheapdate Jan 2016 #252

Are we allowed to criticize their religious texts? FrodosPet Jan 2016 #272

There are passages in the bible just as horrible killbotfactory Jan 2016 #285

Does that negate the negativity and militancy of these passages then? FrodosPet Jan 2016 #301

Isis behaves in a way specifically endorsed by the bible. killbotfactory Jan 2016 #313

Cologne attacks: Migrant men banned from German swimming pool 1-15-16 Jim Beard Jan 2016 #261

I only dislike lancer78 Jan 2016 #266

K & R mog75 Jan 2016 #274

Dear Shawn. Sam Harris is not a liberal. stone space Jan 2016 #276

Exactly. He's a bigot who tries to cloak his bigotry in intellectualism, when in fact..... marmar Jan 2016 #279

How did that quote support your assertion? sibelian Jan 2016 #288

First Strike Nuclear Genocide against Muslims is not a liberal position. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #290

He doesn't advocate it. He DESCRIBES it. sibelian Jan 2016 #292

Have you read the Qu'ran and Hadith verses I posted? FrodosPet Jan 2016 #302

(Some of) the intimidating parts of Islamic sacred texts FrodosPet Jan 2016 #303

Could you quote the text of the uniquely evil belief system that convinced mhatrw Jan 2016 #314

Are these quotes intended as a refutation of my post, or as a justification for genocide? (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #315

what is it with people like you who try to claim ericson00 Jan 2016 #321

Since when does US foreign policy judge Muslim regimes on their relative treatment mhatrw Jan 2016 #323

What do you think a Nuclear Attack would be? stone space Jan 2016 #324

but no mainstream people argue for that ericson00 Jan 2016 #325

I have no opinion on how "mainstream" Sam Harris is or isn't. The article used him as an axample. stone space Jan 2016 #326

when did he ever advocate ericson00 Jan 2016 #327

These "I am not a bigot" essays are starting to get boring. bemildred Jan 2016 #328

I'm also bigoted against fundie Christians. Quantess Jan 2016 #332

Just wrong to divide fundamentalists into two groups and call one uniquely evil. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #352

It isn't any better to praise and cuddle one group of fundamentalists Quantess Jan 2016 #353

I agree Islam is not a Race loyalsister Jan 2016 #347