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In reply to the discussion: Dear Liberals: Being Critical of Islam Is Not Racism [View all]FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)267. Excerpts from Islam's holy texts
Qu'ran
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.190
002.190
002.191
002.216
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033
005.033
005.038
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012
008.012
008.038
008.039
008.060
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005
009.005
009.014
009.029
009.123
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/017-qmt.php#017.016
017.016
Hadiths
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php#004.052.177
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 179:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 182:
Narrated 'Ali:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4321
Book 019, Number 4321:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4294
Book 019, Number 4294:
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/002-qmt.php#002.190
002.190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
002.191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
002.216
Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033
005.033
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
005.038
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012
008.012
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
008.038
Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
008.039
And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
008.060
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005
009.005
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
009.014
Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
009.029
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
009.123
O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/017-qmt.php#017.016
017.016
When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.
Hadiths
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php#004.052.177
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 179:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Turks; people with small eyes, red faces, and flat noses. Their faces will look like shields coated with leather. The Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose shoes are made of hair."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 182:
Narrated 'Ali:
When it was the day of the battle of Al-Ahzab (i.e. the clans), Allah's Apostle said, "O Allah! Fill their (i.e. the infidels') houses and graves with fire as they busied us so much that we did not perform the prayer (i.e. 'Asr) till the sun set."
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:
Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:
The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4321
Book 019, Number 4321:
It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4294
Book 019, Number 4294:
It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.
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It is a crazy phobia. Better to have spent the trillions against US poverty than against Iraq.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#76
Perhaps you are not a person of color shot by the likes of Bernhard Goetz or a cop?
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#89
Perhaps that is the difference for some of us. It is a very real and ever present threat.
smirkymonkey
Jan 2016
#141
I know what you mean. I watched it from 7th Ave South, right near St. Vincent's Hospital.
smirkymonkey
Jan 2016
#157
HuffPo has published Jeb Bush and many conservatives. It's your problematic commentary & attitude.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#86
All religions (even buddhist) have committed acts of aggression or terror. Therefore you indict
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#91
Yes they are. Who cares if they are blowing themselves up. The end result is the same.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#181
Of course, but you don't distinguish between Islam and Radical Islam.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#190
True. But if I posit Islam as the problem, and that has been done by many posters here,
guillaumeb
Jan 2016
#16
Your the one being irrational. Islam is definitely implicated with the terrorist attacks
snagglepuss
Jan 2016
#127
Isn't it largely the same effect whether you are a fundy Christian, an ultra-orthodox Jew,
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#245
Mormons do believe in the divinity and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ though.
el_bryanto
Jan 2016
#335
Nothing at all. But come on. The Old Testament/Torah are rife with the same crap.
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#270
It's the fact of the existance of 10 Islamic nations that use religious law as secular law and thus
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#280
Nobody pays attention to HIS ugliness anymore. ALLAH's ugliness, on the other hand...
sibelian
Jan 2016
#294
My belief is that all aspects of any belief system can be criticized, or analyzed, or rejected.
guillaumeb
Jan 2016
#218
But you conflate Muslims with Islam, you say it is discrimination to criticize Islam, then you shift
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#110
Not, not agreed at all. Islam is a BELIEF struture, criticism of it is not discrimination
sibelian
Jan 2016
#293
Criticism for the most part is is merely observation - not descrimination. Descrimination
jonno99
Jan 2016
#79
My choice of a po'boy sandwich over a Big Mac is evidence of my discriminating palate.
guillaumeb
Jan 2016
#254
Ver well put. What is being posted here can be disguised, and sometimes disguised quite well,
guillaumeb
Jan 2016
#8
I live in Texas and it does my heart good to see some of the Mexican immigrants assimilate
Jim Beard
Jan 2016
#59
"Texas was actually part of Mexico until the US stole the land?" Not really...
EX500rider
Jan 2016
#126
Distaste for an idea, or rejection of it, is not fear of the other. It is in fact taking the other
Yo_Mama
Jan 2016
#62
Whereas the thousands of homosexuals executed in Islamic nations wouldn't...
Lizzie Poppet
Jan 2016
#13
That he is "America's first out gay imam" kind of settles the argument out of the gate. n/t
trotsky
Jan 2016
#74
I doubt that he would, he is an honest man. Also he's an American who converted well into adulthood
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#118
Religion isn't the problem. Religion is used by societies to justify pre-existing culture norms.
Odin2005
Jan 2016
#150
Dear ericson00: Being Critical of Islamist Jihadists Is Not The Same As Being Critical of Islam
KamaAina
Jan 2016
#6
Nice poll. Shows Muslim support for democracy, religious freedom, women's right to divorce and
pampango
Jan 2016
#113
Islam is a religion, and like all skydaddy religions, Islam is fucking stupid.
backscatter712
Jan 2016
#87
Islam is all that ^^^. Plus a lot more, making it a hateful political ideology, IMO. nt
thereismore
Jan 2016
#106
We've kind of brought it on ourselves. The hand-wringing to "not offend" has become an insistence..
MadDAsHell
Jan 2016
#17
I'm responding DIRECTLY to content in your post that you wrote and posted publicly.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#44
You believing Palestinians protected from criticism (not) does not excuse protecting Israel fr crit
Bernardo de La Paz
Jan 2016
#64
a lot of American money goes to China, Egypt, we did have trade relations with Sudan
ericson00
Jan 2016
#167
I agree and I don't think you are thread hijacking. Some are overly sensitive.
Jim Beard
Jan 2016
#66
I don't remember that sort of hand-wringing during the Catholic church sex abuse scandals.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#35
Plenty of those same voices want that as part of the pretext for destroying churches
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#115
And plenty of those same voices are now demanding we treat Islam as a monolithic bloc
jeff47
Jan 2016
#117
No. Not really. They seem determined to overlook mob sexual assault in the name of PC-ism.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#120
The "everything my opponent says is a code/dog whistle" is cowardly politics, IMHO.
MadDAsHell
Jan 2016
#107
As Long As You Hold The View That Being Critical of Israel is not Anti-Semetic...
403Forbidden
Jan 2016
#27
I will be critical of the state of Israel, state of Iran, Poland etc anytime anywhere and
Jim Beard
Jan 2016
#78
Subverting the needs of victims of sexual assault to fears of Islamophobia or RW extremism will
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#28
So if disliking belief systems is bigotry, isn't anti-Republicanism bigotry, too?
Arugula Latte
Jan 2016
#144
I know, I have never been more disappointed in so-called liberals than I have over this issue.
smirkymonkey
Jan 2016
#168
Of course not, but at the same time their fellow Christians looked the other way as Westboro did
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#114
The regressive left isn't doing Muslims any favors by shielding Islam from criticism
LittleBlue
Jan 2016
#73
So your claim would be that human rights are just another kind of religious belief? n/t
trotsky
Jan 2016
#105
None of that changes anything about rights only existing in the human mind
The2ndWheel
Jan 2016
#204
Exactly so. Allowing any religion to exert life-threatening force over a populace
sibelian
Jan 2016
#283
Their belief system is uniquely EVIL, so our virtuous belief system must murder them all.
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#322
So what is your solution? To highlight how and why "our" value system is so superior to "theirs"?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#348
I get it, believe me, OBVIOUSLY it's patronising, but if we don't openly state what we value
sibelian
Jan 2016
#357
So if I'm critical of Islam and Christianity's complete marginalization of women (to put it nicely)
Arugula Latte
Jan 2016
#145
Nope. I wasn't talking about that but there really is no way for you to know that based on my post.
Ed Suspicious
Jan 2016
#148
But Maher is critical of the treatment of women and LGBT while you seem to say that if we
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2016
#278
They are not "my" "fukc"ing charts. They are the opinions of fucking Muslims
whatthehey
Jan 2016
#104
"Being Critical of Islam Is Not Racism" but racists (GOP) love to criticize OTHERS like Muslims.
pampango
Jan 2016
#100
Bullshit, Muslims are singled out for problems that are not unique to the Muslim World.
Odin2005
Jan 2016
#142
Yeah, don't dare recognize any commonalities between your tribe and their tribe!
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#222
Not all terrorists are Muslims but all terrorists are radical nut jobs. nt
arthritisR_US
Jan 2016
#192
So what. Jews still aren't a race so people who don't like them aren't racist by your standard.
betterdemsonly
Jan 2016
#208
ONLY hating a race, ethnicity, or ethnoreligion (like Jews and Yazidis) IS racism
ericson00
Jan 2016
#209
You aren't being critical of Islam, and discrimination against religious groups is illegal too.
betterdemsonly
Jan 2016
#210
The original post called for not allowing immigration from muslim countries
betterdemsonly
Jan 2016
#310
Theocracies suck. But who had the bright idea to invade and occupy secular Iraq?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#265
But the standard American Exceptionalist response is winning Muslim hearts & minds everywhere!
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#319
And what, other that my suggestions, would you advise as steps toward solving these problems?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#349
So what is your suggestion? A never ending Crusade against those vile Muslim infidels?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#320
There are a bunch of different groups of "bigots" with conflicting beliefs, when you put it that way
Quantess
Jan 2016
#345
You so, so desperately want EVERYONE to recognize the UNIQUELY EVIL nature of Islam. Right?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#236
No, I want people to stop making excuses for misogynistic, anti-gay systems of thought.
Marr
Jan 2016
#246
LOL. "By any honest measure"? What about Catholicism? Can women become priests?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#251
Where are Muslims extrajudicially murdering completely innocent Christians with drone strikes?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#351
"They cut off heads, stone women, and toss gays off of buildings! How barbaric!" - Yes! IT IS!
sibelian
Jan 2016
#355
I don't have to work hard to prove anything given the fact that your real problem is with
betterdemsonly
Jan 2016
#273
The original poster called for not allowing people to imigrate from muslim countries
betterdemsonly
Jan 2016
#309
Acting like "Islam" is a monolithic entity is, however, shockingly ignorant
Spider Jerusalem
Jan 2016
#232
Exactly. He's a bigot who tries to cloak his bigotry in intellectualism, when in fact.....
marmar
Jan 2016
#279
First Strike Nuclear Genocide against Muslims is not a liberal position. (nt)
stone space
Jan 2016
#290
Are these quotes intended as a refutation of my post, or as a justification for genocide? (nt)
stone space
Jan 2016
#315
Since when does US foreign policy judge Muslim regimes on their relative treatment
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#323
I have no opinion on how "mainstream" Sam Harris is or isn't. The article used him as an axample.
stone space
Jan 2016
#326
Just wrong to divide fundamentalists into two groups and call one uniquely evil. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#352