Dear Liberals: Being Critical of Islam Is Not Racism

[sibelian]

354. ... (shrug)

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What we all do is one thing, but what THEY do is another. We need to be consistent and we can't actually be response for their actions.

You mentioned previously that the West has been instrumental in supporting fundamentalist regimes in the ME, you are right and that has to stop.

We need loud voices everywhere telling the truth. We don't need "hate". That's useless. We need TRUTH. We can't just blithely accept all philosophies and we cant be seen to either, we need to establish the primacy of our nations' values, we can't pretend that there's some kind of moral relativity around the treatment of women by Islam. It's not acceptable to us, and the new denizens of the West must know this.

Education, as I think I've mentioned elsewhere, might be start, though I'm not terribly hopeful. I think rigorous immigration controls are a necessary step, permitting mass uncontrolled immigration is stupid.

Blowing them up obviously isn't going to stop them being misogynists. In the end the only people who are going to stop them being misogynists is feminist Muslims. We therefore need to support, publicise and relate to feminist Muslims much more than we already have. Also moderate Muslims. I'm not at all impressed with Islam as a philosophy or a political structure but I'm not so naive as to think that my personal input or our society's collective input to the Islamic faith will have much impact on a wide scale. We need to deal with prominent individuals within Islam that support moving away from ancient prejudices. That is going to take a long time.

With respect to the political structures we can implement, ALL of them are bad. Mandatory values training before employment. Equality centres established in Islamic neighbourhoods. Critical thinking classes... ALL of these are patronising and illiberal.

Islam needs it's own punk rock movement, its own Reformation, its own Enlightenment. What are WE going to be able to do about THAT? If there's nothing we can do about it.... it really comes down to the worst possible solution. Banning them. I don't want that.

The solution is for certain young Muslim men to stop behaving like dicks. It's exactly the same as whenever anyone else behaves like a dick, if they don't stop it, society has to step in with all sorts of crappy "solutions" that don't really work. I have no idea how to train grown men to take responsibility for themselves. I only know how to do it myself.