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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald calls-out the dominant Brexit narrative [View all]
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)91. This is part of the need to force a contrived narrative
we see this in various forms on this issue, and trumpism in particular,
Trying to negatively cast tertiary elements.
This is like the bullshit trying to blame Hillary or Obama for republicans' being jackasses.
Trying to blame other people for
1) Shit stirring jackasses foaming up bigotry and divisiveness
2) The masses being stupid enough to gobble it up and vote against their own interests
This need to somehow romanticize it.
It is simple, real simple.
People are fucking stupid asses in mass, and sometimes the stupid reaches a critical mass.
Like in 94 with republicans taking the house and senate.
Like in 2000 when this country elected a moron at POTUS.
Like in 2010 when this country saw fit to once again give republicans the house and senate.
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Do you have a specific objection to the article, and, if so, can you elaborate on your analysis? nt
xocet
Jun 2016
#27
And I bet you believe tea party didn't form the second we elected a black president.
Drunken Irishman
Jun 2016
#232
So you believe the tea party wouldn't have formed if Hillary had won in 2008?
TheFarseer
Jun 2016
#234
Not when he has hordes that will eat up every embarassingly wrong utterance he makes with a spoon
Number23
Jun 2016
#183
Really? Lot of smart people on the leftwere arguing for Brexit before it happened
rpannier
Jun 2016
#185
"But not now with Boris Johnson around to steer the ship" in the wake of Brexit. Mr. "Neoliberal
pampango
Jun 2016
#196
It's worth asking why people embraced such hatefulness and believed such lies.
appal_jack
Jun 2016
#30
No, but I think that enough of the "Leave" vote came from xenophobes to represent the winning margin
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#46
Using your reasoning it could very well be that the majority of Brexit voters were not xenophobic...
Human101948
Jun 2016
#53
Actually having a firsthand acquaintance with the "Leave" campaign...
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#145
"Just tired of being screwed by the one percenters." EU countries have some of the highest pay,
pampango
Jun 2016
#77
Xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment is highest in areas with the lowest levels of immigration
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#63
Fabians is a good source. But those statistics are not really relevant to your argument.
KPN
Jun 2016
#211
Exactly. The Left, Jeremy Corbyn, British unions (not to mention Bernie) supported Remain.
pampango
Jun 2016
#75
Using that ridicule emoticon is sad on a politically liberal message board. Don't you agree? nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#116
So if the Admins set a gun on the table and you picked it up and shot someone, you want to
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#119
I want to use this opportunity to use this as an example of the split in our Party.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#118
There is just as much a split in the Republican party over this as ours
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2016
#148
Here we are again with you calling the Progressive Wing extremists. And here again I will
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#170
And again I ask where you disagree with the left and again you won't respond.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#237
Great read. And the responses in this thread are perfect examples of what he is talking about.
fbc
Jun 2016
#11
Nope, both Greenwald and those who agree with him are perfect examples of forcing a narrative
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#105
The effects of immigration is a valid concern and is not xenophobia/nativism.
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#32
There is a link, there are words there, surely you know how to click (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#41
Trump is counting on it. Xenophobia and nativists are, by definition, anti-immigration.
pampango
Jun 2016
#74
But not all concerns about immigration are by nativists. This is a logical fallacy
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#83
Of course not. But they can provide the winning margin. This is clearly a victory for the right,
pampango
Jun 2016
#89
Gee, what a surprise, his analysis of the meaning dovetails with what he WANTS it to mean.
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#17
Yes, it is, and obvious if you observe Greenwald for any length of time. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#60
Most of the posters here who are actually in the UK will tell you it was xenophobia
Spider Jerusalem
Jun 2016
#23
Given GG's problematic immigration stances, it's hardly surprising he wants to deny xenophobia....
msanthrope
Jun 2016
#39
This stuff is why as a Socialist I am suspicious of people calling themselves "left-wing populists".
Odin2005
Jun 2016
#56
His Neo-Nazi civil client is a real peach, too. Although everyone deserves a criminal defense, I
msanthrope
Jun 2016
#57
+1, as if he couldn't just look shit up on the thing he was using to blog with
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#159
When he blamed it all on "Obama cultists", the sincerity of his "apology"
TwilightZone
Jun 2016
#157
+1, also he had the means to look at both sides of the story vs just taking RW word for it...
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#160
unfortunately, that's untrue. they're an extension of Thatcherism. but carryon.
nashville_brook
Jun 2016
#136
for those who disagree with Greenwald, what about elites screwing the rest? Is that wrong?
yurbud
Jun 2016
#55
It's mind-boggling that we're being accused of "smearing" people by calling them xenophobes when
Chakab
Jun 2016
#106
Pro-Brexit elites used that line to get workers to vote against their own interests.
SunSeeker
Jun 2016
#87
Why did some elite want it? I don't have a definite opinion on this, I'd like to hear
yurbud
Jun 2016
#98
those who reflexively dismiss Greenwald do more harm to their reputation here than his
yurbud
Jun 2016
#128
The UK did not have 'free trade' (though it likely will under Boris Johnson's 'neoliberal fantasy
pampango
Jun 2016
#99
Young adults in England and Europe know what austerity is doing to their countries, their
Akamai
Jun 2016
#104
You have stats that show kids up to 30 have no complaints about austerity? I think that would
Akamai
Jun 2016
#179
Young adults overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, so that's wrong too. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#151
Seems to me that you are saying pretty much every youngster in the UK voted to stay in the EU. Maybe
Akamai
Jun 2016
#181
Only 21% of ages 26 and younger voted to leave, so as I said, overwhelmingly voted to stay. nt
stevenleser
Jun 2016
#195
well, the neolibs support their masters and hate GG for many of his critiques directed at them
stupidicus
Jun 2016
#102
It's also used as a tool by the conservatives/ neo-liberals to control the public.
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#124
It's very strange that some people that want social justice will sell their souls to
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#127
Yes but the Powers That Be love to use social justice issues as a divisive tool which they
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#171
Mr. libertarian, claiming that xenophobia had nothing to do with the Brexit. Funny that the voting
still_one
Jun 2016
#129
+1, also the data clear says the majority voted on brexit cause of immigration here
uponit7771
Jun 2016
#161
Xenophobia is a tool used by the neo-liberals to stir up hatred and draw attention away
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#172
xenophobia is a product of the conservatives, and the history of Europe has been filled with it
still_one
Jun 2016
#174
It's a tool used by conervative/neo-liberals to stir up hatred similar to what Hitler did in Germany
rhett o rick
Jun 2016
#175
The American Conservative also endorsed Sanders, in fairness. They're an odd bunch.
Recursion
Jun 2016
#191
Yes! Due to lack of alternatives, everything clearly OUTSIDE establishment does Better Than Expected
Land Shark
Jun 2016
#158
But Brexit was conceived, led and voted for by Thatcher's heirs and their supporters.
TubbersUK
Jun 2016
#226
Reagan/Thatcherism were half baked, but their followers very rarely were racists
Albertoo
Jun 2016
#229