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In reply to the discussion: Sorry – but it was the police who escalated the violence to this point [View all]X_Digger
(18,585 posts)83. You want information, here have some. I expect a full apology.
Texas-
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm
Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
Florida-
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html
776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.
...
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
...
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
California-
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/197.html
197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
...
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished;
New York-
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article35.htm
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use
physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she
reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself, herself or a
third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or
imminent use of unlawful physical force by such other person
Mullenix v Luna
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/mullenix-v-luna/
This Court has considered excessive force claims in
connection with high-speed chases on only two occasions
since Brosseau. In Scott v. Harris, 550 U. S. 372, the
Court held that an officer did not violate the Fourth
Amendment by ramming the car of a fugitive whose reckless
driving posed an actual and imminent threat to the
lives of any pedestrians who might have been present, to
other civilian motorists, and to the officers involved in the
chase. Id., at 384. And in Plumhoff v. Rickard, 572 U. S.
___ (2014), the Court reaffirmed Scott by holding that an
officer acted reasonably when he fatally shot a fugitive
who was intent on resuming a chase that pose[d] a
deadly threat for others on the road.
connection with high-speed chases on only two occasions
since Brosseau. In Scott v. Harris, 550 U. S. 372, the
Court held that an officer did not violate the Fourth
Amendment by ramming the car of a fugitive whose reckless
driving posed an actual and imminent threat to the
lives of any pedestrians who might have been present, to
other civilian motorists, and to the officers involved in the
chase. Id., at 384. And in Plumhoff v. Rickard, 572 U. S.
___ (2014), the Court reaffirmed Scott by holding that an
officer acted reasonably when he fatally shot a fugitive
who was intent on resuming a chase that pose[d] a
deadly threat for others on the road.
Plumhoff v Rickard
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/12-1117_1bn5.pdf
A police
officers attempt to terminate a dangerous high-speed car chase
that threatens the lives of innocent bystanders does not violate the
Fourth Amendment, even when it places the fleeing motorist at risk
of serious injury or death. Scott, supra, at 385. Rickards outrageously
reckless drivingwhich lasted more than five minutes, exceeded
100 miles per hour, and included the passing of more than two
dozen other motoristsposed a grave public safety risk, and the record
conclusively disproves that the chase was over when Rickards
car came to a temporary standstill and officers began shooting. Under
the circumstances when the shots were fired, all that a reasonable
officer could have concluded from Rickards conduct was that he
was intent on resuming his flight, which would again pose a threat to
others on the road. Pp. 911.
officers attempt to terminate a dangerous high-speed car chase
that threatens the lives of innocent bystanders does not violate the
Fourth Amendment, even when it places the fleeing motorist at risk
of serious injury or death. Scott, supra, at 385. Rickards outrageously
reckless drivingwhich lasted more than five minutes, exceeded
100 miles per hour, and included the passing of more than two
dozen other motoristsposed a grave public safety risk, and the record
conclusively disproves that the chase was over when Rickards
car came to a temporary standstill and officers began shooting. Under
the circumstances when the shots were fired, all that a reasonable
officer could have concluded from Rickards conduct was that he
was intent on resuming his flight, which would again pose a threat to
others on the road. Pp. 911.
Graham v Connor
(c) The Fourth Amendment "reasonableness" inquiry is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene
Now.. what information do YOU have?
Cough it up, or apologize.
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Sorry – but it was the police who escalated the violence to this point [View all]
FreakinDJ
Jul 2016
OP
Muslims, by law, don't have near impunity in regards to killing other humans cops do and we've
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#92
News Flash for Bettie: The Dallas murder victims were not in St. Paul or Baton Rouge police force.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#53
All cops kill innocents? Bash all cops? Or just bash the illegal killer cops (and their leadership)?
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#119
I do lump all the "good cop" using the blue shield to cover up and protect the bad ones.
Statistical
Jul 2016
#13
Agreed. Painting everyone with the same brush is what got us into this problem. (nt)
ehrnst
Jul 2016
#20
I totally agree! Lumping all Black males together is wrong and lumping all police together is wrong
redstatebluegirl
Jul 2016
#59
He's not indicting all individual cops, he's indicting the collective system. There's a difference.
MillennialDem
Jul 2016
#75
+1, its the laws that allow for the blue wall... cops get near impunity related to killing folk
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#93
Unnnn, the OP is not saying ALL cops are bad just they have near impunity in regards to killing folk
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#91
Can you point to the specific actions undertaken by the shot/dead cops that support your premise?
Dreamer Tatum
Jul 2016
#12
So there are NO laws that give them near impunity? Where have you been for the last 5 years?
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#95
Please cite for me the specific impunities on the part of these cops that the Dallas shooter(s)
Dreamer Tatum
Jul 2016
#96
You asked for specific actions of the DPD but the OP is relating the near impunity LE are afforded
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#98
So why did the OP (1) apologize for the post, (2) expect that he/she would be banned from DU for it,
Nye Bevan
Jul 2016
#31
Uh, no, you're wrong. The five cops killed were trying to DE-escalate violence.
MohRokTah
Jul 2016
#25
Unfortunately for the Dallas cops killed, the shooter was reacting to all the cop murders, . . .
brush
Jul 2016
#35
Opening fire on the nearest available cops because OTHER cops murdered people...
Lizzie Poppet
Jul 2016
#32
It's not "the police", it's the system (as has been said elsewhere here) and SOME police...
George II
Jul 2016
#38
But when any PD tries to fire a bad apple, the police union forces the PD to put him back
tblue37
Jul 2016
#86
They need to negotiate more reasonable contracts with the cops. As it stands now,
tblue37
Jul 2016
#104
Perhaps you should research the standard more. It's not saying, "I was in fear." Derp
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#51
Dear, I have read all the SCOTUS decisions, I can quote them, as well as state law. Try again. n/t
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#68
Feel free to dig up something.. anything.. that backs up your assertion. So far, all I've seen is..
X_Digger
Jul 2016
#111
Pre-judging all based on a few is Prejudice & Bigotry. As bad on "police" as on Blacks or Muslims.nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#56
Except your OP does NOT blame the law. You blame the "police". Edit your title then. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#64
You can't have it both ways. Can't NOT BLAME the police but also BLAME the police. Edit your title.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#71
Now you say "the police officers". You mean the ones killed in Dallas?
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#80
Near impunity in regards to killing other humans is NOT just a few, its afforded LEOs nationwide...
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#100
So, what's the percentage? 50? 90? 99? 100? Are 100% of cops bad guys who abuse over & over again?
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#102
No, its .0001 and that's way too much NOT to be held accountable. The laws that give near impunity
uponit7771
Jul 2016
#103
Prob more than .0001, but hold THEM to the fire, NOT ALL cops. Yes, hold the leadership accountable.
Bernardo de La Paz
Jul 2016
#106
when are cops gonna get that they need to police themselves against bad cops? fuck the thin blue
pansypoo53219
Jul 2016
#101
How is it possible for an armed policeman to be in fear for his life when he confronts an
Cal33
Jul 2016
#105