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Ken Burch

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16. And what would you add after that?

Reply to Blue_Tires (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 12, 2016, 07:18 PM

Jul 2016

n/t.

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Do YOU support the ten-point Black Lives Matter Manifesto? [View all] Ken Burch Jul 2016 OP

#9 will never happen with attacks like Dallas happening. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #1

In Dallas, the cops HAD military equipment. It didn't help. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #9

They will never give it up after those types of attacks. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #11

This could be implemented over a period of time. peace13 Jul 2016 #15

Yes, HRC should come out in support of the manifesto ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #2

I agree bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #17

I think it's great, though I'm not 100% sure what "community oversight" means... arcane1 Jul 2016 #3

I was wondering the same thing. How does communitu Exilednight Jul 2016 #41

It's a spectrum I suppose... TipTok Jul 2016 #65

All but #5. If the population make up shifts, who do we fire? Quotas in hiring unconstitutional. Shrike47 Jul 2016 #4

I don't think they mean it quite that literally La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #7

If they don't say what they mean, then how do you know what they mean? Igel Jul 2016 #56

read the language, there is no way this implies exact numbers La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #78

I can see that being changed to have officers live in the communities they serve arcane1 Jul 2016 #10

How are you going to require police to live in the communities they serve? TeddyR Jul 2016 #79

Clearly it would require changing or creating laws arcane1 Jul 2016 #82

I support their goals and their strategy La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #5

At the time of the freedom movement, a lot of the old line AA leadership opposed civil disobedience Ken Burch Jul 2016 #13

Yup. More recently people mocked and belittled gay rights activists La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #14

And look at how much grief Occupy got, even from a lot of "progressives". Ken Burch Jul 2016 #24

RIGHT!! totes forgot about them, but you are so right La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #37

Sounds very reasonable to me. kentuck Jul 2016 #6

Interesting. peace13 Jul 2016 #8

Good for a start... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #12

And what would you add after that? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #16

End asset forfeiture, and end the drug war. baldguy Jul 2016 #71

Good ones. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #72

Wouldn't that fall under #8? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #81

Prison reform Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #74

I would also like to see something UnFettered Jul 2016 #18

Add in a BA minimum then yes. The reason? JanMichael Jul 2016 #19

And a professional licensing board Nevernose Jul 2016 #21

The NAACP sued to remove the 4 year requirement from New Jersey Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #23

While I understand why they did that I don't think it helps. JanMichael Jul 2016 #25

The naacp and the courts were right La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #30

No. It has no predictive validity to performing the job La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #26

So I guess that linked study on cop violence means nothing? JanMichael Jul 2016 #73

Not number 5 Quackers Jul 2016 #20

Hmmm, why do you think what we have right now isn't segregating us already? thx in advance for your uponit7771 Jul 2016 #33

right now my local PD has several AA officers. Quackers Jul 2016 #38

Most are OK, except #1 Albertoo Jul 2016 #22

No, it really wasn't. At all. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #27

Yes it did. Please refer to graph in #49 Albertoo Jul 2016 #50

A correlation is not a causation. Once you account for multiple other variables La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #52

True, but causation can produce correlation Albertoo Jul 2016 #54

Actually it's patently false. Just because I smoke weed doesn't La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #62

Here is a study published in 'Science' that validated 'broken window' Albertoo Jul 2016 #69

Do you have a source on that? It seems like crime came down altogether uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Just look at the graph, NYC criminality went from over to below average Albertoo Jul 2016 #49

mixed results AntiBank Jul 2016 #39

And that is the winning answer. Igel Jul 2016 #58

That's why we have multifactor analysis Albertoo Jul 2016 #61

It ends up leading to relentless police harassment of everyone in a community Ken Burch Jul 2016 #48

Nothing but ugliness came of "broken windows"? Albertoo Jul 2016 #51

You've established corrrelation, not causation. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #57

And it's not a theory as much as a hypothesis that police La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #63

There has to be a little wiggle room on the racial makeup quota Warpy Jul 2016 #28

lol... you're so right, I always wondered why the cops seemed like they hated me an my friends in.. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #35

I agree with everything but #9 Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #29

+1, on its face it seems pretty reasonable and achievable ... number 6 and number 10 are hard ones uponit7771 Jul 2016 #31

Support everything but number five; why are we calling out race as the only differing characteristic MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #32

Believe it or not America is one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world (link) uponit7771 Jul 2016 #40

A KKK "go fundie" for Wilson? What were they gonna FUND? A tailored white sheet? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #43

Always ask for more than you expect. GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #36

Absolutely. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #46

Here's one I would add: stop using fines as a source of revenue. Exilednight Jul 2016 #42

That's good. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #45

That leaves few choices. Igel Jul 2016 #59

What you don't seem to realize, though, is that in a lot of communities Ken Burch Jul 2016 #66

God yes. Iggo Jul 2016 #44

Does anyone have a problem with the word, "Manifesto"? kentuck Jul 2016 #47

I have a question on 5 Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #53

4 is worthless unless both sides agree in advance to publicly support the investigation results (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #55

No problem with police using military equipment jamese777 Jul 2016 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #64

If anything, I would say more things are needed. But that manifesto is a great start. DemocraticWing Jul 2016 #67

Down the line TipTok Jul 2016 #68

Most is good, but like all things the details matter Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #70

I am not terribly impressed with this, but I like some of it. Vattel Jul 2016 #75

Support most of them but I doubt #2 and #4 would hold up in courts. modem77 Jul 2016 #76

Could you explain #1 more..I don't quite understand what you mean Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #77

As some who was arrested and prosecuted for 'breaking a window' 4139 Jul 2016 #80

Community control of police, like the real Black Panthers wanted. rec, nt. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #83