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Xithras

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24. A number of Redditors also attributed part of it to college degree creep.
Mon Oct 10, 2016, 02:57 PM
Oct 2016

This topic was discussed extensively on Reddit last week, and several commentators made a very good point. The analysis draws the line between "working class" and "middle class" jobs along the "job requires a college degree" line. That's a questionable way to do the study, because there has been a tremendous amount of degree creep nationwide over the past 20 years. Skilled but degree-less jobs that filled out the upper end of the working class employment spectrum in 1996 overwhelmingly require a college degree today. It's very common for supervisory level jobs in the skilled trades, and often labor level positions in the trades, to have degree requirements for new hires.

By using a college degree as the defining line between the classes, the study shifted many higher paying 1996 working class jobs into the 2016 middle class column. It can be the same job, with the same payscale and same skillset, but the addition of a degree requirement shifts it to a higher class. By reclassifying many of the higher paying working class jobs this way, the working class average shifts downward even if NO real changes to compensation occurred.

I'm not saying that the pay decline isn't real (it is VERY real), but their methodology may be masking the real numbers.

They are still doing much better than most of the rest of us, and those jobs are NEVER coming back. bravenak Oct 2016 #1
I'm deeply suspicious of this statistic. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2016 #2
Here's what WaPo found lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #3
I'm not surprized by this at all. The University campuses are overwhelmingly female underahedgerow Oct 2016 #4
I teach community college, and my classes are at least 75% female. Coventina Oct 2016 #11
Do you consider that observation a problem that should be solved? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #12
Of course. This situation has a massive backlash across all of society in countless ways. underahedgerow Oct 2016 #13
It is extremely troubling to me, for all the reasons underahedgerow mentions. Coventina Oct 2016 #15
To what would you attribute this attitudinal change? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #16
I have no idea. And, I agree that by college the trend is extremely difficult to reverse. Coventina Oct 2016 #17
I think young men are "opting out". MindPilot Oct 2016 #21
A number of Redditors also attributed part of it to college degree creep. Xithras Oct 2016 #24
I'm thinking its similar for blacks and Latinos, income insecurity is hear most by those who have uponit7771 Oct 2016 #5
"Trump's supporters might be comparatively well off" Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #6
it's hard to admit what it is that upsets them so much. JI7 Oct 2016 #7
Yup. Starry Messenger Oct 2016 #8
That posit doesn't explain why so many of them are overwhelmingly functionally illiterate underahedgerow Oct 2016 #14
It's the bigoted, jingoistic, hyper-masculine rhetoric. ronnie624 Oct 2016 #20
Less because of loss of jobs, less because of the loss of unions? ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #9
Both lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #10
More accurately, working class people are not all secure. LanternWaste Oct 2016 #19
We've had stagnant wages for decades. Rex Oct 2016 #18
I think white men have figured out where they stand nowadays AngryAmish Oct 2016 #22
The problem is that working class white men blame their losses TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #23
Agree. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #27
Often blaming their lack of success on people of color TexasBushwhacker Oct 2016 #29
GOP has been systematically busting unions for years. Kingofalldems Oct 2016 #25
It's a lot easier to bust unions when the employment to population ratio is low. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2016 #28
This is last years numbers Go Vols Oct 2016 #26
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