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63. What do you think the rust belt wants to see that is NOT progressive,

Sat Nov 26, 2016, 07:04 PM

Nov 2016

like Pelosi?

She is pro worker, pro union, pro raised minimum wage, pro health, pro medicare, pro medicaid, pro social security, pro choice, pro LGBT rights, pro minority rights, etc.

What does the rust belt voter want that a Democrat should be able to deliver -- other than white supremacy, which isn't on the menu?

The problem is that Bernie came in railing against the system, but it isn't the fault of progressive Dems like Pelosi that they have to make compromises with the Rethugs who are a large part of Congress and sometimes control the Presidency. Bernie made it sound as if the Dems should be blamed for things out of their control, and a lot of young people and (apparently) rust belt voters bought that idea.

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Tim Ryan beating Nancy Pelosi on 11/30 is exactly what we need! [View all] RiverStone Nov 2016 OP

I Do Not Second That Notion Me. Nov 2016 #1

Unfortuneately, I agree that Nancy will probably be elected...but RiverStone Nov 2016 #12

it's seems like you are saying you support newness more than any policy stance La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #23

Valid point, and yet Millennials and Generation Z... RiverStone Nov 2016 #32

If There's Anything Nancy Isn't, It's Ineffective Me. Nov 2016 #35

I agree! GWC58 Nov 2016 #37

Literally, Nancy Pelosi was able to get blue dog democrats to pass the ACA... SaschaHM Nov 2016 #48

Maybe these millennials should be better informed La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #36

WAS highly effective RiverStone Nov 2016 #57

She doesn't run campaigns. The loss is not La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #58

Because gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with those losses.... (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #62

To paraphrase Bernie, "It's not enough to vote for someone because they are young." (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #61

Has Ryan attempted to impose his anti-choice opinion through legislation? brooklynite Nov 2016 #64

? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #65

Anti-choice position brooklynite Nov 2016 #67

Oh, yeah, she's not one of the cool kids, we don't want her. pnwmom Nov 2016 #38

Who said they like Trump? RiverStone Nov 2016 #42

Too many of them didn't vote or threw their votes away on 3rd party, pnwmom Nov 2016 #43

agree and disagree RiverStone Nov 2016 #50

Who pays attention to roll votes and overall records? JonLP24 Nov 2016 #66

Millennials did not elect Trump JonLP24 Nov 2016 #68

okay - not to start a generational debate.... OhioBlue Nov 2016 #71

I thought I was Gen Xer until the word millennial came out JonLP24 Nov 2016 #80

Well, at least you get to be an "older millennial" OhioBlue Nov 2016 #81

"Shaking things up" -that's working real well this year isn't it? Nope. bettyellen Nov 2016 #2

?? Not shaking things up killed Dems this year. Barack_America Nov 2016 #25

I have no big beef with Pelosi, but it is good to get rust belt folks into leadership aikoaiko Nov 2016 #3

aka "white male" Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #5

I think when you include Keith Ellison in the group you might find it less gross aikoaiko Nov 2016 #6

I would support Keith Ellison Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #7

I'd prefer to see the best person get the job. Not bothered about what color they are. OnDoutside Nov 2016 #22

toi toi pangaia Nov 2016 #28

Meanwhile Trump made two more picks today.... In an ideal world, the winner will be OnDoutside Nov 2016 #31

No...he will have to worry too much about reelection in Ohio which went Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #51

Another good start. NT Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #4

We're the minority party. Just WHO heads it in the house is not Hortensis Nov 2016 #8

This has nothing to do with Nancy being a woman RiverStone Nov 2016 #10

It may not be to us, but the end result would be. Hortensis Nov 2016 #11

We share the passionate fuck yous, but please... RiverStone Nov 2016 #14

How was she responsible? What should she have done Hortensis Nov 2016 #19

My question re Nancy was future tense RiverStone Nov 2016 #21

And I believe the problem is with both the Hortensis Nov 2016 #30

Pelosi is just as progressive as Warren. And the area she represents is just as blue. pnwmom Nov 2016 #39

It's the area of the country Nancy does NOT represent which concerns (see Rust Belt) RiverStone Nov 2016 #47

The job of the House in the opposition party is to engage the enemy Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #52

What do you think the rust belt wants to see that is NOT progressive, pnwmom Nov 2016 #63

Maybe. moondust Nov 2016 #9

Except the job of the House minority leader isn't to relate to voters. CBHagman Nov 2016 #13

I teach at a college and have kids in their 20's RiverStone Nov 2016 #15

I'm all for reexamining the leadership and reenergizing... CBHagman Nov 2016 #17

Good points, in particular the need for serious self-examination RiverStone Nov 2016 #18

Tim Ryan may vote with the GOP bad idea. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #45

Because they have no idea how politics is actually DONE alarimer Nov 2016 #69

True. moondust Nov 2016 #16

Tim Ryan didn't do much to help dems in ohio JI7 Nov 2016 #20

Tim Ryan is a mediocre back bencher La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #24

Mediocre Is Exactly The Word Me. Nov 2016 #41

I think Pelosi should go. She has been leader since 2003 but.. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #26

I disagreee. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #54

That is why I feel conflicted. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #56

I like Tim Ryan but Trump took Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #72

What is Ryan's plan? Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #27

Yes, more info is good! One example of rational here: RiverStone Nov 2016 #34

he is a white man from ohio JI7 Nov 2016 #70

I agree, there needs to be new leadership. Next generation leaders need to emerge from this carnage WestSeattle2 Nov 2016 #29

Yep! Next Gen leadership would rock! RiverStone Nov 2016 #33

While I believe we need to go younger, Tim Ryan is not the answer krawhitham Nov 2016 #40

I live in Ohio and I like Tim Ryan. I voted for him. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #44

This is like when half of du was supporting tulsi La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #46

He is not liberal and has to worry about reelection in Ohio. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #49

Yes I am 100 percent opposed to him La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #55

We need someone from a deep blue state Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

After hearing Ryan sidestep and duck questions on MSNBC I really wasn't impressed with the guy. TeamPooka Nov 2016 #53

IMO, Tim Ryan has no clot at all in the House and I think we are mixing CK_John Nov 2016 #59

Yeah, let's have the inexperienced white guy mcar Nov 2016 #60

Other than "newness" Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #74

I am all for Tim Ryan (or someone new) for House Minority Leader. PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #75

I did not like his latest comments at all I hope rwheeler31 Nov 2016 #76

You may be right. kentuck Nov 2016 #77

Yes Yes Yes!!!!!! Faux pas Nov 2016 #78

Pelini probably can't bring us back to victory, she is very unpopular. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #79

pelosi is a progressive . the reason we can't win is because of gerrymandered districts JI7 Nov 2016 #82

oh FFS DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #83