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NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 11:07 PM Nov 2016

HRC/Democrats Lost Due to WRONG Message [View all]

That’s the truth of the matter. For too many in this country, the Democrats are always wrong on all counts – not because we are wrong, but because we adhere to principles that are considered wrong by a vast swath of the citizenry.

The war between Democrats and Republicans used to be about common goals, the difference between the two parties being how best to achieve them. For decades, this has no longer been the case.

What we are now up against is not differing ideologies. American politics is now a war of the intelligent v the stupid, the fact-based v the gullible, the educated v the ill-informed – the latter group in each case having been nurtured by FOX-News, encouraged by people like Limbaugh, and ultimately catered-to by the GOP in every election.

We are fighting against people who will never accept what we Democrats stand for, regardless of who delivers the message; people who refuse to hear what we have to say, regardless of who says it, or how well they say it.

We have just witnessed an election where people – who know Trump is anti-union, doesn’t pay the people who work for him, and outsources his own brand-name merchandise to low-wage countries – voted for him as the champion of the working class. We saw people who claim to be upstanding, moral Christians vote for a man who bragged about “grabbing pussies”. We saw people who depend on Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare vote for the man who is set on destroying all of the above. And that’s just for starters.

It’s US v THEM, and the truth is:

When we say let’s embrace diversity, they hear let’s make America less “American”.

When we say let’s welcome immigrants, they hear let’s invite rapists and terrorists to live among us.

When we say a woman should have the right to choose, they hear let’s murder babies.

When we say LGBTers should have equal rights, they hear let’s indulge in immorality and turn our backs on God.

When we stand up for things like welfare and food stamps, they hear let’s give our tax dollars to those too lazy to work for a living.

When we stand up for freedom of religion, they hear let’s destroy Christianity.

When we encourage sensible gun control, they hear let’s confiscate everyone’s guns.

When we talk about the importance of education, they hear let’s raise a generation of liberal elitists who will look down their noses at the rest of us.

When we talk about raising the minimum wage, they hear let’s raise the price of burgers-and-fries so some acne-faced kid has enough money to buy liquor, drugs, and weed.

When we support concepts like sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, and caring for the sick, they hear – and they actually DO – the promotion of things that are somehow contrary to what Jesus taught.

Throughout his campaign, Trump has demonstrated his ignorance as to how our government works, how foreign policy works, and how our standing in the global community works – and he was elected by people who are just as ignorant as he is.

How do we win in future? It’s a good question. Do we try to capture the votes of the stupid, the ignorant, the ill-informed? Do we appeal to their racism, bigotry, homophobia, and xenophobia in order to win? Do we abandon our long-held principles in order to appeal to those who are dead-set against them?

It IS a good question – I wish I had a good answer.

Obama won by promising change to people who had lost their homes, lost their jobs, lost their savings, lost their sons and daughters in a senseless war. How do you win the votes of people who hear someone like Donald Trump say “change”, and assume that because things got better when Obama said it, things will get even better now that Trump has said the same thing?

It’s not the messenger, it’s the message. The Democratic message was and is the “wrong message” for those too ignorant to see facts as more important than rhetoric, for those who see the rise of bigotry and racism as a means to “making America great again”.

I, for one, will stand with the Democrats and their “wrong” message. I will stand with the party that encourages acceptance over exclusion, embraces diversity rather than demonizing it, recognizes the needs of those who have fallen on hard times, understands the importance of equality among ALL Americns, and continues to further the idea of unification over divisiveness.

I prefer to stand with those who fail by supporting what is right, than stand with those who “win” by standing up for what is wrong.

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Excellent post. apcalc Nov 2016 #1
That's some message!!! greytdemocrat Nov 2016 #2
it's a delusional message. as long as the left/progressives /dems ignore talk radio certainot Nov 2016 #84
Exactly, blind obedience to the same strategy that has lost ground steadily for 25 years BlueStreak Nov 2016 #120
Perfect ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #3
Not that difficult HassleCat Nov 2016 #4
And therein lies the problem. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #10
Fantastic message, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2016 #5
The "we's" have to outnumber the "they's" for us to win oberliner Nov 2016 #6
Meh - Hillary is fine, we did nothing wrong, the country has Salem-FITS UTUSN Nov 2016 #7
Bernie would have won even though he lost, let's stop supporting civil rights, let's purge emulatorloo Nov 2016 #8
So, I'm *PURGED*!1 Oh, woe oh woe woe woah!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #68
... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #101
Just continuing the putting-words-in-the-mouth challenge!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #106
... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #107
Glad we're friendly!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #108
Me too and always! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #109
K&R sheshe2 Nov 2016 #9
KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #11
We lost because James Comey of the FBI tossed two letter bombs pnwmom Nov 2016 #12
THIS SunSeeker Nov 2016 #15
I agree that it was one of many factors ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #16
You're absolutely right about that, Nance. They were primed to respond pnwmom Nov 2016 #17
That certainly didn't help. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #27
1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #35
An election against a reality TV host should never have been close enough to be decided by some Marr Nov 2016 #66
Thank you, Nance! What a fantastic piece of writing! Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #13
They can't be afraid of rapists, they elected one president! Initech Nov 2016 #14
We lost because of drivel like your post. Makes me sick to hear stuff like this. Just drivel. Red Oak Nov 2016 #18
And others simply didn't vote for the top of the ticket. potone Nov 2016 #23
That's what's bothering me about all these excuse-laden post mortems. Marr Nov 2016 #69
I disagree treestar Nov 2016 #55
I agree with this. GreenEyedLefty Nov 2016 #64
That's part of my point. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #98
Look at the the votes for President Obama Red Oak Nov 2016 #116
Yep-- self-aggrandizing pablum. /nt Marr Nov 2016 #67
1 (well said too). nt chknltl Nov 2016 #75
Yep. Many of these "stupid," "gullible," and "ill-informed" voters chose Obama TWICE... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #91
I have examined it, JHan Nov 2016 #110
Democrats lost because jimmil Nov 2016 #19
It's not just about Bill & Hill. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #26
Take yourself back to the primary arikara Nov 2016 #117
Ah, the old "Bernie would have won" meme. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #119
But other Democrats have won. Obama walked into office with Republicans vowing that the only thing Exilednight Nov 2016 #122
To your point, my ex-wife's mother, a life-long DEMOCRAT, loved sayin' she would vote for Satan over Hillary! (She voted for Jill Stein.) InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #28
Clinton Fatigue played a role. I watched that PBS 'Frontline' special... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #93
Hillary won the freaking vote! edhopper Nov 2016 #20
Voting machines Bear Creek Nov 2016 #88
Don't disagree edhopper Nov 2016 #89
Hacked Bear Creek Nov 2016 #21
Agree colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #24
FFS. This election should not have been close enough for them to steal it. She was running against Chakab Nov 2016 #34
I agree Trump was the worst candidate in history. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #118
X 1000! mntleo2 Nov 2016 #57
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #70
Seriously? Okay, take South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas... George II Nov 2016 #80
Right? mcar Nov 2016 #85
Hillary won the popular vote by over 2 million so far and Trump does NOT have a mandate riversedge Nov 2016 #82
Trump doesn't need a mandate EL34x4 Nov 2016 #83
We Democrats can use the popular vote to remind Republicans that Hillary riversedge Nov 2016 #86
Yay! We won a game nobody was playing! EL34x4 Nov 2016 #97
You got to be kidding Gothmog Nov 2016 #92
You did it again, great job!! George II Nov 2016 #22
Nah, the GOP will find a way to blame it on the Dems before the Dems point out it was the GOP SharonAnn Nov 2016 #29
There are people all over the country ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #31
Not all Trump supporters are uninformed, ignorant, inferior bigots democrank Nov 2016 #25
This isn't about ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #30
echo chamber much? wundermaus Nov 2016 #32
Trump supporters ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #33
Excellent! betsuni Nov 2016 #36
Maybe...reminds me of the shopping list of a disgruntled spouse at a marriage counseling... pipoman Nov 2016 #37
We lost ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #39
No, not all evidence to the contrary pipoman Nov 2016 #50
This. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #78
A carnival barking man-child beat *the most qualified candidate for President ever*... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #94
I believe the Democratic party failed so badly because it nominated the wrong CANDIDATE.... mike_c Nov 2016 #38
Yadda yadda yadda. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #40
keep shoving your head in the sand.... mike_c Nov 2016 #41
True. Bernie didn't lose the GE. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #42
It could have been another candidate with strong message Kathy M Nov 2016 #44
Er, Sanders didn't even win the D primaries. He lost by millions of votes stopbush Nov 2016 #56
Because he would have relentlessly hit Trump where it hurt. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #95
Reconsider the "Sanders woulda won" myth. He would have been slaughtered. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #102
1000. Paladin Nov 2016 #103
People who picked a loser don't get to pontificate on making wise choices, sorry. Marr Nov 2016 #105
I'll pontificate all I want, thank you very much. Paladin Nov 2016 #111
Shirking the blame only assures we'll repeat this mess. Marr Nov 2016 #112
"He didn't lose the GE" mcar Nov 2016 #62
1 ..... Agree Kathy M Nov 2016 #43
You might want to read this Eichenwald piece moonscape Nov 2016 #45
Neither Clinton nor Sanders were the right candidate in hindsight. randome Nov 2016 #48
Great post melman Nov 2016 #51
1 leftstreet Nov 2016 #61
Wish I could up-vote this. Marr Nov 2016 #71
Sanders was never vetted. Trump and his people would have destroyed Bernie and Bernie beaglelover Nov 2016 #72
yes clu Nov 2016 #100
And how many here PRAYED that Trump would be the opponent? A LOT 7962 Nov 2016 #115
The great dumbing down The Wizard Nov 2016 #46
Nice! Vinnie From Indy Nov 2016 #53
K&R brer cat Nov 2016 #47
It can be very comforting quaker bill Nov 2016 #49
I share your frustration. Let us revisit a woman scorned in the recent past. I, in no way, Trust Buster Nov 2016 #52
Another great post by Nance Gothmog Nov 2016 #54
One problem. We accuse them of voting against their own interests, but so do we. brewens Nov 2016 #58
Right on the money Shoonra Nov 2016 #59
I stand with Democrats mcar Nov 2016 #60
I totally Agree, I stand with PROGRESSIVE democrats! n/t sylvanus Nov 2016 #63
No, sorry. Marr Nov 2016 #65
1 (nuff said) chknltl Nov 2016 #74
And yet enough did in 2008 and 2012. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #73
In addition to being ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #99
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #76
Democrats failed to push their core values, or uphold them. backscatter712 Nov 2016 #77
What a great post superpatriotman Nov 2016 #79
Fully disagree chknltl Nov 2016 #81
Well said, Nance, as usual.. huge K&R secondwind Nov 2016 #87
America is Greater than It's Ever Been! was the WRONG message Dems to Win Nov 2016 #90
"half the people in the U.S. can't meet an unexpected 400 expense" SMC22307 Nov 2016 #96
"American politics is now a war of the intelligent v the stupid" is the wrong message. rug Nov 2016 #104
k n r! flamingdem Nov 2016 #113
When I hear "Repeal Obamacare" dickthegrouch Nov 2016 #114
I agree 200% DonCoquixote Nov 2016 #121
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