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130. Ahhh . . . don't agribusinesses produce most of the food for the country now?

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 12:05 PM

Nov 2016

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Hats off to family farms but aren't their numbers shrinking every year trying to compete with the Archer Daniels Midlands of the world?

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So: What do we do about the fact that small-town and rural Americans are so out of touch [View all] Recursion Nov 2016 OP

Since when are small-town and rural people not "ordinary Americans"? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #1

They're about 20% of the country. That's not "ordinary" Recursion Nov 2016 #3

Agriculture in those areas provides cheap food for the rest of us. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #11

Thank you. nt cwydro Nov 2016 #70

They also get cheap insurance. No more direct subsidies but JimBeard Nov 2016 #73

With illegal immigrant labor treestar Nov 2016 #76

... handmade34 Nov 2016 #96

Ahhh . . . don't agribusinesses produce most of the food for the country now? brush Nov 2016 #130

Yes the family farms are huge and use government subsidized insurance. JimBeard Nov 2016 #145

LOL...yeah, the other 4/5 will be eating each others refuse, eh? pipoman Nov 2016 #27

I hope you are not saying that because you live in a large urban center you are ... spin Nov 2016 #61

Sounds like that mchill Dec 2016 #226

about 28% hfojvt Nov 2016 #68

I think it is 21 percent rural and small town, 29.9 percent urban, and 49.1 percent StevieM Dec 2016 #241

As a rural resident, I consider myself delightfully abnormal then. Kilgore Nov 2016 #102

What a remarkably foolish and short-sighted statement. 11 Bravo Dec 2016 #221

the only way you will get rural America is to remove reproductive rights from our platform Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #8

My daughter is in Texas in the military marlakay Nov 2016 #44

By which of course they mean the WHITE babies Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #56

Don't forget to dump the idea to pass new gun bans and limits on the number... spin Nov 2016 #63

Too bad really CountAllVotes Nov 2016 #127

You are absoluely, 100% correct! Thank you! hamsterjill Nov 2016 #140

The problem is, calling them "ordinary Americans" implies the other 80% are not "ordinary Americans" Iggo Nov 2016 #126

The point is that the knee jerk reaction is to consider them to be the definition of "ordinary Squinch Dec 2016 #193

Well... We could start... FBaggins Nov 2016 #2

Not really. 1 in 5 is pretty unusual Recursion Nov 2016 #5

They are not weird or unusual. That's incredibly insulting and condescending The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #14

It's not insulting to point out it's a small segment of the population Recursion Nov 2016 #17

Your comment wasn't just that rural people represent a small percentage The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #26

1 in 5 is certainly "unusual"; you have to grant that Recursion Nov 2016 #28

Hey Recursion, just very slowly, easy now, gently, pangaia Nov 2016 #58

Homosexuals constitute 5% of the population. TupperHappy Nov 2016 #143

Ok then while we're discussing percentages 14% of the population is considered black. bluesbassman Nov 2016 #156

What about the highly educated? neeksgeek Dec 2016 #190

But they don't do it anymore. The NFO was one of the most radical and I supported them but JimBeard Nov 2016 #146

Unfortunately this is true. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #151

Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #85

"Small town and rural" is larger than 20% FBaggins Nov 2016 #19

I mean, it's about 22% Recursion Nov 2016 #21

Populations under 25,000 were about half of the country just a few years ago FBaggins Nov 2016 #23

No, sorry: I'm done with coddling small towns. They are not "ordinary": I am Recursion Nov 2016 #31

"Cut them off"? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #34

I have a farm bill for that. Recursion Nov 2016 #36

If people don't vote the way you like sarisataka Nov 2016 #40

My answer? Not at all. That is * their * answer Recursion Nov 2016 #42

In post #31 you stated sarisataka Nov 2016 #47

I have been in farming all my life and have seen small farms getting larger and JimBeard Nov 2016 #74

I have heard that all my life and have farmed. There is always someone JimBeard Nov 2016 #75

Rural communities also support lumber production, recreation for urbanites (skiing, rock climbing... mchill Dec 2016 #227

They are not "ordinary": I am tecelote Nov 2016 #83

The you can add ignorant to biggoted FBaggins Nov 2016 #92

I'm With You Baggins ProfessorGAC Nov 2016 #94

Wow I woud live there any day rather than some crowded urban shit hole nt doc03 Dec 2016 #183

You know how I test if a post has no content? metalbot Dec 2016 #185

WTF? pipi_k Dec 2016 #210

I'm with Recursion on this one. Aristus Nov 2016 #124

I hear black people really like them collards too... right? FBaggins Nov 2016 #125

I am part of the solution. Aristus Nov 2016 #128

Did you note the context of what you were replying to? FBaggins Nov 2016 #132

He said he wants to "cut them off" - Cut off Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid to them. Aristus Nov 2016 #152

Sorry... that doesn't make sense FBaggins Nov 2016 #161

It's a double-edged sword. Aristus Nov 2016 #162

I'm not saying that their preferred policies in this example are correct FBaggins Nov 2016 #163

Well, I don't want anyone to suffer for any reason, Aristus Nov 2016 #165

I'm sure that's true... except for one thing FBaggins Nov 2016 #166

Well, they've got their own problems. Aristus Nov 2016 #169

People in all kinds of areas, including big cities, do these things cyberswede Nov 2016 #158

The overarching argument in all this is that people in rural areas felt left behind Aristus Nov 2016 #159

this . . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2016 #187

You confuse "small segment" with "edge of the bell curve." Beartracks Nov 2016 #29

Does that mean the black folks are not "ordinary?" Chinese folks are not "ordinary?" pangaia Nov 2016 #52

Counter-question: DetlefK Nov 2016 #80

Counter question.. pangaia Nov 2016 #110

We were talking about what counts as "ordinary" people. DetlefK Nov 2016 #117

Have you ever considered what people in rural areas think of big city people? spin Nov 2016 #65

Why is it important that I consider what people in rural areas think of big city people? Squinch Dec 2016 #194

Obviously rural people do not see that Democrats offer the better deal ... spin Dec 2016 #219

Well, given where we are today, I feel confident in saying that rural America has Squinch Dec 2016 #220

Trump made promises that he will never be able to complete. ... spin Dec 2016 #222

POC are about 20% of the population too. Do you consider them "unusual" or "unordinary"? jack_krass Nov 2016 #88

More like 37% of the population DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #131

Basing "ordinariness" on a single factor is silly. cyberswede Nov 2016 #157

Well, I have green eyes, and I've always viewed myself as *extra*ordinary. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #175

With bigger votes than ours treestar Nov 2016 #77

My interpretation of the post... LeftishBrit Nov 2016 #87

The poster "pointed it out"... without backing it up FBaggins Nov 2016 #93

... larger cities that they don't care about "Ordinary Americans" LIKE THEM. musicblind Nov 2016 #150

I was pretty careful with my use of scare quotes FBaggins Nov 2016 #160

The US has regions where change happens faster Lithos Dec 2016 #181

As someone who lives in one of these out-of-touch rural towns Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #4

Yeah, I grew up in one. I left, because there were no jobs. Recursion Nov 2016 #7

I'm not sure but the more secular the big cities become....the more religious the rural areas become Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #24

I left because I didn't want to be around uneducated fucking idiots snooper2 Nov 2016 #137

Stop making me laugh so hard bravenak Nov 2016 #148

Wholesome fun for the WHOLE family! hatrack Dec 2016 #209

You are so right about these churches rwheeler31 Nov 2016 #12

Save the babies, let the kids, adults and old people die. Their version of Christian sickens me. nt TeamPooka Nov 2016 #15

We don't have to do anything. The Republicans will do that for us. LonePirate Nov 2016 #6

Except that they don't care about facts. DetlefK Nov 2016 #84

Interesting.. virginia mountainman Nov 2016 #9

Yeah, I am Recursion Nov 2016 #20

Haw haw! It sure is a kneeslapper when the little people try to fight back! kcr Nov 2016 #91

It's crazy, right? /nt Marr Nov 2016 #119

They didn't win. They were scammed. And they are going to suffer for that. Squinch Dec 2016 #242

Wow, that sounds awfully condescending. LisaM Nov 2016 #10

Lies metroins Nov 2016 #13

We need progressive radio in rural areas Tumbulu Nov 2016 #16

Definitely!!! All they get fed is RW propaganda and RW religion. It's been going on a long time and RKP5637 Nov 2016 #112

Hate does sell well. Mariana Nov 2016 #144

Carve out a section of the AM Radio band DBoon Dec 2016 #180

Urbanites will control Dem votes their cities and maybe their states.... pipoman Nov 2016 #18

Not so fast. The repugs fuck up the economy with their policies every time. brush Nov 2016 #136

It almost sounds like you want it to stay. You almost sound like you think it's a good thing. musicblind Nov 2016 #153

Keep doing what you're doing expecting different results.... pipoman Nov 2016 #170

Boy, do you have that backwards. WillowTree Nov 2016 #22

Numbers Recursion Nov 2016 #32

i understand the point handmade34 Nov 2016 #97

Are those California vegetables grown in LA and San Francisco, or in rural areas? WillowTree Nov 2016 #103

An opinion of complete ignorance... pipoman Nov 2016 #115

I used to spend a lot of time in the Sacramento Valley, QC Dec 2016 #224

Yeah - "How do we make other people reach out" is quite backwards. lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #217

Insolent peasants! sarisataka Nov 2016 #25

start a "liberal" business and hire them JI7 Nov 2016 #30

What should we do? Here's what we should do. Shemp Howard Nov 2016 #33

How (realistically speaking ) do you envision those lost jobs coming back COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #43

That's a very good question! Shemp Howard Nov 2016 #50

More a wish than a plan. COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #51

Why do you want to give up so easily? Shemp Howard Nov 2016 #57

Interesting that the people who vote Republican - those same Republicans Squinch Dec 2016 #200

Apparently factory managers will run their businesses as charities Recursion Nov 2016 #67

That's my take on it, too. nt COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #99

Very good question bravenak Nov 2016 #149

Who is looking down on them? Who has shown prejudice against them and how have they done that? Squinch Dec 2016 #198

Oh, they'll realize WTF they did shortly world wide wally Nov 2016 #35

Republicans control both chambers in 32 states (17 with veto-proof majorities). SMC22307 Nov 2016 #37

I think I will. Medicaid cuts and SNAP reductions will resolve this in a few years Recursion Nov 2016 #38

Well, as Ed Koch said when he lost his last race, "The people have spoken and now they must pay." Squinch Dec 2016 #205

Spread THIS word: elleng Nov 2016 #39

I totally understand where Recursion is coming from jmowreader Nov 2016 #41

Thank you (nt) Recursion Nov 2016 #45

Keine probleme, Recursion. Guten abend. jmowreader Nov 2016 #46

But isn't this part of the larger problem? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #49

It really is; how the heck do we change that? jmowreader Nov 2016 #72

Well, you could go after misuse, rather than responsible ownership. benEzra Dec 2016 #174

I don't agree with this. I do get the impression that people in rural America feel they are Squinch Dec 2016 #206

Reminds me of Palin treestar Nov 2016 #78

Well, yes: that's the point Recursion Nov 2016 #113

Wow. blue neen Nov 2016 #48

I hope Oklahomans and Pennsylvanians keep fracking and ruining their LuvLoogie Nov 2016 #53

Ah, yes Oklahoma DFW Nov 2016 #86

start here with this article from dKos I posted earlier..... msongs Nov 2016 #54

1. Get control of the government Warpy Nov 2016 #55

What we need to do is mobilize voters in urban areas. herding cats Nov 2016 #59

Having lived in both we need to keep a open mind marlakay Nov 2016 #60

True...the condescending attitude towards 'fly over' country does our party no good. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #95

I.live rural, work urban. gwheezie Nov 2016 #62

I'm sure if you lecture to them about how out of touch they are, they'll vote for your candidate. jfern Nov 2016 #64

Here in Kansas City rural and urban are all mixed leftyladyfrommo Nov 2016 #66

There is no "normal" America. 20% of America is still America. Kablooie Nov 2016 #69

Stop putting forth JesterCS Nov 2016 #71

. LWolf Nov 2016 #107

Nothing JustAnotherGen Nov 2016 #79

Wait and see? atreides1 Nov 2016 #81

I like rural Americans who are not ignorant white wing racists. They are a minority though. Hoyt Nov 2016 #82

I'm sorry I threw that pumpkin at you when you were doing B.R.A.G. dawg Nov 2016 #105

LOL. I lived in Macon for awhile, even the police harassed bike riders. Hoyt Nov 2016 #142

Let's send them all newspaper subscriptions. Vinca Nov 2016 #89

According to DU, we should Fuck'em (or at least the white ones) jack_krass Nov 2016 #90

I think you misunderstand LWolf Nov 2016 #98

Wow melman Nov 2016 #100

Really? Kilgore Nov 2016 #101

Ugh...none of this is an either/or situation vi5 Nov 2016 #104

All's we gotta do is out-vote them. dawg Nov 2016 #106

Ordinary? The plurality don't live in urban areas either. Most live in suburbs. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #108

College educations might help HAB911 Nov 2016 #109

#1 stop being regressive on the 2A. ileus Nov 2016 #111

Agree completely. DanTex Nov 2016 #114

"Ordinary Americans" being who? The DNC? Marr Nov 2016 #116

Yep. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #118

No, we won the working class by pretty high margins Recursion Nov 2016 #120

You're using national numbers to make a regional argument. Marr Nov 2016 #123

Clearly it is: 10 points is a landslide among that demographic Recursion Nov 2016 #134

Again, the party has a lead-- nationally-- with people living in poverty. Marr Nov 2016 #135

To which I can only say: Thanks, Debbie!!! Iggo Nov 2016 #138

This isn't complicated. DesmondFoster Nov 2016 #121

Let them suffer with the rest of us for the nightmare which they helped create. Paladin Nov 2016 #122

1976: Jimmy Carter won among rural white Southerners. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #129

Carter was totally because of Nixon marlakay Nov 2016 #139

Why did more white rural voters repudiate Nixon/Ford than other groups? Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #141

I forgot about his farm background marlakay Nov 2016 #147

I also think that with Carter it was about the fact that he was one of them, in their minds, StevieM Dec 2016 #239

We work to make sure their votes don't matter. ileus Nov 2016 #133

Great idea liquid diamond Nov 2016 #155

How do you propose to do that....... WillowTree Nov 2016 #164

Your OP reveals a truth a lot of these posters don't want to face. musicblind Nov 2016 #154

eliminate every government benefit they have KatyMan Nov 2016 #167

Apparently they have no need to do much at all. Despite having a 6 million vote deficit from jmg257 Nov 2016 #168

If sarcasm were steel, you just bridged the Gulf of Mexico. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #171

While we do not discuss politics in lodge ChazII Nov 2016 #172

Churches Bear Creek Nov 2016 #173

I sincerely hope this OP is meant as a parody. If not, then it's an embarrassment to have jonno99 Dec 2016 #176

Is it offensive that everyone is saying that the Democrats are out of touch because they didn't get Squinch Dec 2016 #238

Get rid of the Electoral College SHRED Dec 2016 #177

How do you propose to do that? WillowTree Dec 2016 #197

I understand it's a dream SHRED Dec 2016 #208

Same thing kcdoug1 Dec 2016 #178

Support rural public radio and TV DBoon Dec 2016 #179

THIS. A way to begin. Squinch Dec 2016 #204

That first sentence can explain in total why Hillary Clinton didn't get elected. Could it be doc03 Dec 2016 #182

Be condescending and advocate policies that don't serve their interests Taitertots Dec 2016 #184

Which of Hillary's policies didn't serve their interests? Which of Trump's policies did? Squinch Dec 2016 #192

YES! Flip the narrative! THEY need to come around to annabanana Dec 2016 #186

Or at least they need to quit beating themselves on the head with hammers. Squinch Dec 2016 #236

We pass policies to make it as hard to live in rural areas as possible. ileus Dec 2016 #188

What on earth are you talking about? We send flyover country *billions* Recursion Dec 2016 #189

That's what I said....we stop all funding and force them out of their lifestyle. ileus Dec 2016 #202

I can't decide if you're trolling the OP or if you're serious Abq_Sarah Dec 2016 #216

Wow. This seems self-explanatory to me, and yet everyone seems determined to Squinch Dec 2016 #191

Right? Recursion Dec 2016 #199

I have to say that before the election you pissed me right off with your thread on Squinch Dec 2016 #201

Maybe more tonedeaf condescending posts like this will help eom TransitJohn Dec 2016 #195

Is it tonedeaf and condescending to say that the Democratic party is out of touch because Squinch Dec 2016 #235

We should patronize them more. n/t QC Dec 2016 #196

Is it patronizing to say that the Democrats are out of touch with the rural voter? If not, then Squinch Dec 2016 #203

You can make a strong case that the party leaders are out of touch. QC Dec 2016 #223

You can also make a strong case that the rural voter is out of touch. They elected Trump. Squinch Dec 2016 #229

Lol...these people are ordinary Americans they just don't have same beachbum bob Dec 2016 #207

There have been lots of posts about why the Democratic party lost this election citood Dec 2016 #211

Don't treat them like toddlers Bradical79 Dec 2016 #212

I'm really sorry but this is bullshit. Clearly the guy who won was the one who treated them Squinch Dec 2016 #234

I didn't say we would win many of them over Bradical79 Dec 2016 #244

How about super fast broadband. Jobs programs helping renovate rural towns. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #213

Those were part of Hillary's plan. Twitler's plan was to lie to them and treat them like idiots. Squinch Dec 2016 #230

Want to know why the Democrats lost? HoustonDave Dec 2016 #214

And don't forget...........that 22% tends to exercise their right to vote. WillowTree Dec 2016 #215

It's hard to convince people that you are right on the issues and they are wrong... spin Dec 2016 #231

Except that NONE of that was anywhere in his statement. You are reading something into Squinch Dec 2016 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2016 #233

How are those Americans not "ordinary Americans?" MineralMan Dec 2016 #218

I don't think there is much we can do now BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #225

This is really about the indie vote, not the rural vote. And we lost it this time. lindysalsagal Dec 2016 #228

I have been watching some the CNN reporters special and I quit half way through. JimBeard Dec 2016 #237

So it is fine to demean a minority MicaelS Dec 2016 #240

lulz Rex Dec 2016 #243