The CEO of Ford just perfectly summarized the biggest problem for electric cars

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91. You can repeat the same thing again ....

You addressed nothing in my post, you just repeated the same thing.

The heat is not wasted if you need it, you know ... to heat the car up when it is cold. How do you address the energy that will be needed to perform this without combustion? You can not.

The only difference in moving parts is the difference between the engine/transmission and battery/motors, the rest is the same. There is no huge difference in moving parts unless you count the engine by individual parts of the assembly.

My commuter vehicle is a Kia Soul that gets about 30 mpg average and I paid 14K for it, that is pretty low cost. I do no more repairs to that vehicle than I would an electric. I looked at the Soul EV, it was 33K had 30 less effective horsepower, weighed 400 pounds more.

Price aside, the EV had a range of 131 miles per charge. The cost of that charge on the quick charge would be 50KW, at $.13KWH that would cost $6.50, giving a cost of $.05/mile. The gas Soul gets 35 MPG at 65 MPH, so it would travel 131 miles in two hours using 3.71 gallons of gas at $2/gallon for a cost of $7.40 or $.06/mile.

Those numbers change if you can charge it slowly and off peak, and they change pretty drastically. The cost to charge the car the long way is 10KW and off peak I can get power at $.12KWH making the numbers change dramatically. 10KW*$.12/131 = $.01/mile.

I figured I would probably average between the two, giving me a $.03/mile price, about half that of gas. Not a bad savings if the initial cost of the car is tossed out.

I live in Houston Texas and have a place in Conroe Texas about 40 miles to the north, I keep a boat on the lake (sail boat which is more efficient than anything) which is about 12 miles from my place in Conroe. So, if I get a day off and decide to go to the lake I will drive an easy 120+ miles for that trip ... the reason I have commuter car which is efficient. Everything is fine with that EV in that scenario as long as everything goes as planned, but it doesn't. If it is hot ... Hello, Houston, the effective range of that EV changes depending on how fast you are moving time/energy for air conditioning but as long as 40MPH can be averaged the range drop will be 20% ish, making my range now 105 miles. Not enough for that trip. No biggie I stop at my place in Conroe and do a quick charge, but the quick charge only gives me 80% capacity which drops my range to just over 80 miles, still enough to make it home, but certainly could be an issue with any kind of traffic nightmare or simply having to turn around because I forgot something on the boat. Going 10 miles out of the way to stop at a friend's house would require me to tap his electric bill for $6 ... sure, come over anytime!!

Is there savings there? Sure. The 120 mile round trip went from $7.40 to $3.60 (1slow/1quick charge) is that savings something I would justify to sacrifice the security and comfort of my 400 mile range in my gas Soul? No.

Until the electric car can resolve the issue of range and refueling issue they will not be popular with anyone except the person who has a daily commute of less than 50 miles, never goes anywhere over 40 miles from home, and never gets stuck in traffic in 100+ heat.

And of coarse that is assuming the price gets competitive, right now ... it is not even close.