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In reply to the discussion: Michigan Recount Problems Are Emerging - Thousands of Ballots in Detroit May Remain Uncounted [View all]LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)IF the votes were counted then this would not be an issue as with Washtenaw and Marquette Counties:
"Elections officials in Washtenaw and Marquette counties told The News on Monday that votes in all precincts were reconciled."
Also, in Oakland County this happened:
"In the first six hours of Ingham Countys recount Monday, six of 30 precincts from Lansing could not be recounted. One of the ballot containers had a hole in it, making it susceptible to tampering and not recountable, county Clerk Barb Byrum said."
More:
"None had nearly as many problems as Wayne. But at least 13 of 222 precincts in Genesee County are not balanced. More than half of those were in heavily Democratic Flint, according to county canvassing reports. The election was still certified by its board of canvassers.
The trouble is theres too much leniency with the board of canvassers, said John Gleason, Genesee Countys clerk. Theyre not as stringent as need to be because they think it wont affect the outcome of the election.
Next, there is this quote:
When a recount is started, these numbers could change based on information discovered during the course of the recount, according to our procedures, Haroutunian said. You dont know until you get in the middle of it.
Or and this one:
State law spells out a prescribed criteria for determining whether a precinct can be recounted. Workers first check to make sure the number of ballots on the seal of the container matches the ballots recorded by workers on Election Day.
If the seal number matches, then we know its not been tampered with, Rozell said.
If numbers dont match, then workers can count all of the ballots in the precinct twice to see if there was an error made by workers on Election Night.
If it does not match after the second count, then its not recountable, Rozell said.
Entire precincts can be set aside in a recount if the ballots are stored in an unapproved container or if it isnt properly sealed.
What does reconciliation do:
"Make (one account) consistent with another, especially by allowing for transactions begun but not yet completed."
If the numbers cannot be reconciled, the precincts and ballots ARE NOT INCLUDED with the final count, plain and simple. This is not rocket science. It's math.
Lastly, there is this:
"Disqualifying huge numbers of precincts would make it almost impossible for the former New York senator to make up the votes, said Ernest Johnson, a Democratic political activist who worked to get out the vote for Clinton.
Its a real long-shot now because, if I were looking for 10,000 votes, the first place Id look is Wayne County, Johnson said. Thats a huge problem. ... But if anything good comes of this it brings up this problem (with voting machines) that needs to be corrected.
The quotes are from the Detroit News article ITSELF. With that, we are done with this useless back and forth when thousands are Detroiters votes risk not being counted, yet again.