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SlimJimmy

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41. Sounds like someone doesn't understand that the party needs to move back to the

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 02:45 AM

Dec 2016

Bill Clinton era where he understood that identity politics didn't work. Remember "It's the economy stupid?" Well guess what, "It's still the economy stupid." And until we get back to that message, we are going to continue to lose.

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Don't Stop Arguing, Complaining And Fighting *For* 'Identity Politics' [View all] ehrnst Dec 2016 OP

The Future of Racial Politics FarCenter Dec 2016 #1

I don't agree. Two white men dissing the "emerging Democratic majority" ehrnst Dec 2016 #2

So Only White Working Class People Matter THese Days? Me. Dec 2016 #3

The article is pointing out that there is a faction in the Democratic Party that thinks it is. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #6

That's What It Sounded LIke To Me Me. Dec 2016 #12

Thank you! (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #16

No No No. Only White Working Class Men WhiteTara Dec 2016 #11

Geez Oh Pete Me. Dec 2016 #13

Fake news and alt-Reich attitudes? WhiteTara Dec 2016 #14

So Dems And Not A Dem Bernie Me. Dec 2016 #17

I am sickened by the whole affair. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #19

I think he means to include white working class in addition to identity groups yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #52

I think he meant what he said. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #55

I hope he doesn't mean that. yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #58

I don't think it is about families WhiteTara Dec 2016 #63

An approach to politics that pretends that racism, misogyny and bigotry don't affect policy is RedWedge Dec 2016 #4

Identity politics will make us the permanent minority party Taitertots Dec 2016 #5

Are you saying that inclusivity is reverse racism? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #7

Diversity is messy SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #8

Diversity is messy, and neccessary. Acknowledging that inclusiveness is necessary is vital. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #10

What is diversity? SubjectiveLife78 Dec 2016 #47

If you have groups of people all needing the same thing ehrnst Dec 2016 #48

No, racism and tolerance is messy... diversity is beautiful and functional and diet racism uponit7771 Dec 2016 #67

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The KKK is the same as BLM? What? bettyellen Dec 2016 #20

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Your context being white supremacy equals civil rights? What a twisted view. Sick. bettyellen Dec 2016 #23

You're hallucinating if you think that. Taitertots Dec 2016 #24

You're of the opinion "inclusiveness" requires some sort of reverse racism. A big RW talking poin bettyellen Dec 2016 #25

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #37

Now there's respectful discourse....(nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #36

Do I hear the sound of someone's white cis male privilege being pointed out to them? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #38

You really are reaching for an insult. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #26

The fallacy is that WE are splitting people into groups when it's society that has historically done bettyellen Dec 2016 #27

OUR party has split these groups for political purposes. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #28

No - society split these groups and Democrats acknowledge it. If that offends you ehrnst Dec 2016 #30

I've been on this board from nearly the beginning of this board, so back off. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Dec 2016 #33

"Back off?" You diss the coalitions that made this party strong ehrnst Dec 2016 #34

Sounds like someone doesn't understand that the party needs to move back to the SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #41

2005? That's not nearly the beginning. Unless you were tombstoned under another name. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #39

Well, it's quite a long time. Long enough to take you to the woods over your SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #40

Threat? Maybe you are a bit too sensitive to be discussing things on any board....(nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #44

I'm sorry, I should have said weak and worthless threat. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #50

Look in the mirror. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #57

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Straw man much? Some doberman.... ehrnst Dec 2016 #77

But 2004 melman Dec 2016 #73

When did I say someone should not be here? Please link. ehrnst Dec 2016 #78

To ignore that groups of people are treated fundamentally differently and worse ehrnst Dec 2016 #29

If we ignore divisions in favor of one point of view it disenfranchises folk el_bryanto Dec 2016 #31

Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #35

It's the economy stupid. Remember that? That's what will make us winners again. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #42

Winners at what cost? While I do believe the economic to be a key part of our message el_bryanto Dec 2016 #49

I disagree. When folks are employed in good paying jobs, lots of problems SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #51

When white men are employed in good paying jobs, you mean. If the discussion veers away from their ehrnst Dec 2016 #56

No, I mean ALL people. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #62

Because that's such an easy thing to figure out, isn't it? ehrnst Dec 2016 #64

Insulting me through my DU inbox won't get your posting privileges restored. ehrnst Dec 2016 #81

Why can't we focus on things that we ALL share? Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #9

Some of us experience things that straight white cis men don't share, that prevent us ehrnst Dec 2016 #15

Thank you! bettyellen Dec 2016 #21

And finally, it's the economy, stupid. The one thing that makes a difference for ALL of us. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #43

The economy works differently for different groups, "stupid." ehrnst Dec 2016 #45

You're like a little dog nipping at a doberman's heels. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #53

Nip, nip. So what does a touchy "non-progressive Democrat" do on a progressive board like this? ehrnst Dec 2016 #54

It's NOT exclusively a "progressive" board. You might want to read the TOS. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #59

I did. I just find it interesting that you like to diss progressive ideas. ehrnst Dec 2016 #76

You can be progressive and against identity politics.... jack_krass Dec 2016 #72

"Identity Politics" is "political correctness" or "All lives Matter!" for the Left. ehrnst Dec 2016 #75

lol Cha Dec 2016 #80

Some people can't handle messaging that doesn't specifically mention them... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #46

Are we winning elections with identity politics? That's the real question. jalan48 Dec 2016 #61

Can we win if we alienate all those pesky "identity groups?" That's the real question. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #65

Are we currently winning? jalan48 Dec 2016 #66

Oversimplification. ehrnst Dec 2016 #79

Yes. I agree with what you say. I just want to see us win more elections. jalan48 Dec 2016 #82

I understand. Tell that to the die hard Jill Steiner or Bernie or Bust folks. ehrnst Dec 2016 #83

I don't know any to tell it to. jalan48 Dec 2016 #84

Yes. (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #85

Yes, we are ... if there's no cheating involved uponit7771 Dec 2016 #68

Ok-no need for change then. All's good. jalan48 Dec 2016 #71

After this, therefor because of this? That's the real fallacy... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #69

Pretzel logic. jalan48 Dec 2016 #70

That was not a post hoc fallacy by any means. janx Dec 2016 #74