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DonCoquixote

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Sun Feb 19, 2017, 01:14 AM Feb 2017

about Milo and Maher [View all]

I confess I am of two minds about this: on the one hand, not only does me low have an abundance of soapboxes to spew his hate speech, that anyone who reads what he actually says knows he is encouraging violence, which automatically should cut down any objection to censoring him. He is the guy that will yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

However, I can understand why not allowing him to speak could make a martyr out of him. What a lot of people who he Trump did not understand is this: his followers are fueled by our anger. They get to go on the Internet and say "look at help his we made this liberal, Yahoo!" instead of making them feel ashamed, they feel like they are confirmed. So I can understand some of why Bill Maherwas willing to allow him on.

However, if you are going to let someone that toxic get airtime, airtime but some agents will literally pay millions of dollars to try to get, you better make it clear why you are doing it, to shame or the very least give a very hard challenge to the hateful actions such a person has done. let me state this clearly: Bill Maher did a piece poor job at best, and at worst was outright supportive! For someone who has had a television show for the better part of a decade, for someone that has been out right merciless against religious types, he was making clear that he was enjoying Mr. Y, and indeed, seem to be enjoying using him to pass off liberals, the same way Mr. Bannon does. That alone means that Bill Meyer show should be consigned to the trash heap.

Now now, before someone brings up the inevitable "he has Ann Coulter and Grover Norquist on there all the time" deflection, let me say this, Ms. Coulter and especially Mr. Norquist are old, established and more importantly, most importantly loaded with money. They are a cancer that if you attempted to just cut it off would simply leave the patient bleeding thanks to the fact that they have spread to the very roots. Mr.Y is not that, yet. For all the celebrity he may have, he is just one day away from being another reality Internet TV star, the ones that Bravo or VH1 will put in some degrading pseudo-game show so we can laugh at them while they're forced to wear funny costumes. When someone is trying to go from being a small C " celebrity" to a capital C, that is when they are vulnerable, and that is when absolutely no quarter should be spared. No portion be spared especially from someone who became a famous television star because he gave the act of showing no quarter, even though he is very comfortable with people who hate us and often uses his platform to assault minorities and women, becoming the very the sort of clueless "white liberal" he rages against.

You will see an example of how this interview should've gone:



there is Joe Rogan, someone much more famous for his work with the UFC than he ever was as a comedian, certainly not as famous as Bill was. Yet you see Joe destroying Mr.Y, in a way that merely brutal, but comes straight to the heart of the matter, and, and is actually said with Heart. Compare the way Milo looked on Joe's show with the fawning on Bill Maher. Joe did not even need Larry wilmer, though gos I wish he had him on.

By the way Bill, you allowed your black guest to be treated like extras in a minstrel show despite the fact that both of them had credentials that were more solid than your favorite guest. That will not be forgotten, nor should it. If they show had worked like it should, Mr. Y would've been embarrassed at the very least, instead your credibility is the one that is going down the toilet.
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about Milo and Maher [View all] DonCoquixote Feb 2017 OP
Wow...nt pkdu Feb 2017 #1
Milo's religion is Milo. dchill Feb 2017 #2
He's a pathetic and stupid little troll in his grandmama's jewelry. MADem Feb 2017 #3
Agreed. WILMORE demolished the a-hole with one line: UTUSN Feb 2017 #14
Annnnnnd he's been DISINVITED from the CPAC conference! MADem Feb 2017 #15
"fire in a crowded theater" is the most tortured/over/misused anti-free speech metaphor in history Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #4
ok, i wont link to breitbart DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #10
openly mocking people or saying "you deserve to be harassed on twitter" isn't encouraging violence. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #12
Saying "It's OK to molest under-aged children" IS encouraging sexual violence against kids. nt MADem Feb 2017 #19
Advocating for pedophilia is violence against children. MADem Feb 2017 #16
and how would anyone know this about him Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #21
and why should anyone (with the exception of LEO's) know about him? Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #30
he's already out there. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #32
That his appearance on Maher, as opposed to his booking by CPAC Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #33
What is provable is, it shot a giant fucking hole through his "liberals wont let me speak" argument Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #34
meh. we disagree. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #35
The end result is what matters. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #36
Who's "not allowing" him to speak? MADem Feb 2017 #47
My point is that 48 hours of sunlight did more to shut that guy down than months of riots. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #49
I do think Maher had a role in dragging that vampire out into the sunlight. MADem Feb 2017 #50
If Maher had Leslie Jones on to balance this Swagman Feb 2017 #5
"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean "you have a right to appear on television" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2017 #6
certainly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #7
Who stated Milo is objectively worse than Coulter? LanternWaste Feb 2017 #22
The point is mostly that Coulter's been on that show countless times. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #23
The Joe Rogan clip is great, by the way. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #8
thanks DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #11
I'm going to go against the tide, here, and say Maher did us all a great service. MADem Feb 2017 #17
I agree ... Auggie Feb 2017 #20
Exactly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #24
I don't know about comedy and UFC... yallerdawg Feb 2017 #55
Maher did his best to normalize a hate monger Trumpocalypse Feb 2017 #9
Normalized and Exposed erpowers Feb 2017 #13
I rather think he "played both ends against the middle." MADem Feb 2017 #18
I actually don't think his shit would have flown at CPAC. I don't think they knew what they were Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #25
They wanted to rub our LIBERAL noses in him, frankly. MADem Feb 2017 #37
What confuses me, is why the people who were supposedly committed enough to shutting him down that Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #38
Yep.... доверяй, но проверяй as the Russians and Raygun used to say.... MADem Feb 2017 #39
Except that Coulter does come on the show, that's not a deflection, it's a fact BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #26
I don't think she's an advocate for child sexual abuse. MADem Feb 2017 #40
not that we know of BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #42
Well, I consider child protection a party platform issue. MADem Feb 2017 #43
Sorry to disagree but there's just not much daylight BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #46
it means DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #52
How's that working out? BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #58
I lost my enthusiasm for Maher...about 3 "This Is Why Liberals Are Assholes" lectures ago. Paladin Feb 2017 #27
Same here, even though I keep trying to give him a shoot. rogue emissary Feb 2017 #28
Hey, if Maher wants to use Dennis Miller as a business model, let him. Paladin Feb 2017 #29
Dennis Miller? melman Feb 2017 #44
Maher is a rightward-trending Islamophobe, increasingly unworthy of liberal support. Paladin Feb 2017 #45
He's about a million dollars away from Millerville..... MADem Feb 2017 #48
Just want to give you a +100 for trying to talk down all the Maher-haters. I don't always agree with skylucy Feb 2017 #56
I don't agree with him LOTSA times....but I know that he's on the good folks' side of issues more MADem Feb 2017 #59
Proovocative speakers on campus. skip fox Feb 2017 #31
Bowling Green????? You mean..... the site of the MASSACRE???????? MADem Feb 2017 #41
Different approaches Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #51
the point was DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #53
Understood Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #54
He always allows Democrats to be talked over Warpy Feb 2017 #57
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