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JCanete

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62. Fair enough. I may disagree with you but I don't begrudge your sentiment...but you can't expect
Thu Mar 2, 2017, 02:28 AM
Mar 2017

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better results if you don't focus on the cause of those results. If some crazy kennel master were refusing to feed his doberman's and then occasionally he sent a person into the yard and they tore that person up, you wouldn't blame the dobermans equally to the kennel master. Nor would you blame the doberman's if the kennel master was training them to bite at certain people.


The sad truth is we are just animals. Our rational brain is only as capable as culture and experience provides. The only two ways people embark on a journey of engaging that part of us though, is through good models and mentors, or through experiencing severe cognitive dissonance. Otherwise we are all quite capable of being part of the mob or pack. It's where we're safe in our sameness and in our unchallenged beliefs.

But we've had that talk and I absolutely do not expect that you give of yourself to people who have nothing to give in return but disdain, and I didn't post to harp on the point that these people are products of ignorance. My distress was in the way you did seem to be letting the media off the hook, and everyone else who has a vested interest in keeping ignorance and truthiness alive. These people, far and above, are the MOST to blame. With power comes responsibility. With a voice comes the responsibility to use it for truth, or at least to not use it to propagate lies and falsehoods.

and just how does that work? "even" MSNBC" we can rely on NO media. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2017 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2017 #2
It wasn't the American People.. it's was the Damn media's fault. Cha Mar 2017 #14
darn right it was Cha. All during the campaign we were screaming for it, and Hillary's campaign still_one Mar 2017 #16
Exactly, stillone. I can't believe people are acquiesing Cha Mar 2017 #20
Well, they voted for him instead of telling him Ilsa Mar 2017 #3
David Cay Johnson said that. madaboutharry Mar 2017 #4
Thanks for redirecting Marthe48 Mar 2017 #11
He's right. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #5
Yes, if he's talking about humans and our intellectual laziness that got us here. No, if he thinks JCanete Mar 2017 #48
Well...a shitload of ire was about Goldman Sachs speeches..... msanthrope Mar 2017 #51
that just isn't the case. The media made emails sexy. Do you think the public at large knows what JCanete Mar 2017 #58
I don't disagree with him LibraLiz1973 Mar 2017 #6
that was the turd in the punchbowl eleny Mar 2017 #7
I bet RM hates being off tonight Marthe48 Mar 2017 #12
eleny, I hope Rachel and Malcolm are in the corner booth of an appropriately dark and funky bar Leghorn21 Mar 2017 #13
Nance got Matthews' attention eleny Mar 2017 #25
So Chris is the only person on the planet who DOESN'T know? Sad! eom Leghorn21 Mar 2017 #31
CM still tried to tamp down Nance eleny Mar 2017 #35
Well ffs! I won't even ask "why?", eleny! Cheeze! No tampin' on Nance, fool! eom Leghorn21 Mar 2017 #39
yeah, after the way he dispensed with milo on friday night eleny Mar 2017 #47
Missed it - just as well, apparently! eom Leghorn21 Mar 2017 #53
I only saw a decent size clip. Good stuff eleny Mar 2017 #55
It's true bravenak Mar 2017 #8
I blame the media.. we were demanding his taxes.. the media Cha Mar 2017 #17
I blame his voters bravenak Mar 2017 #18
which blends into my post below about another candidate who didn't release his taxes either... KittyWampus Mar 2017 #21
I despise cults of personality bravenak Mar 2017 #22
you and me... we both didn't like Hillary but kind of got forced into it... KittyWampus Mar 2017 #24
I know. I think he could have won, but oh well. bravenak Mar 2017 #26
If Mayor Pete goes national he'll get my money. Don't have much but would sacrafice KittyWampus Mar 2017 #28
Mine too! bravenak Mar 2017 #30
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #37
why do you never have a problem with the powers that be gaming people? only the people getting gamed JCanete Mar 2017 #49
Because after all this damn time they should fucking know SOMETHING bravenak Mar 2017 #50
then that is at least one thing you do not know. Do you think propaganda works because people are JCanete Mar 2017 #57
I think it works because those people already hold beliefs that make them susceptible bravenak Mar 2017 #60
Fair enough. I may disagree with you but I don't begrudge your sentiment...but you can't expect JCanete Mar 2017 #62
To be fair, blame does lie with those who voted for him without demanding Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #9
There's some truth in Williams' words. VOX Mar 2017 #10
We were Demanding his tax returns.. The damn media should have Cha Mar 2017 #15
+1, Williams words are disingenuous ... MOST Americans wanted to see his returns uponit7771 Mar 2017 #38
And as stillone mentioned .. Hillary was asking for them too.. Cha Mar 2017 #41
+1, you make a good point about the media continuing to want to exonerate themselves from Benedict.. uponit7771 Mar 2017 #42
Thanks.. they so do. I wish we the American People could Twitter those Cha Mar 2017 #45
Funny, Bernie Sanders never released his taxes either. So who was to blame for that? KittyWampus Mar 2017 #19
There should be such a law. That would solve all the controversy. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #29
+1, NO ONE WHO HASN'T SHOWN THEIR TAX RETURNS SHOULD BE TRUSTED FOR PRESIDENT !!!! uponit7771 Mar 2017 #43
Perhaps the states could make it a requirement of someone being put on the primary ballot... Princess Turandot Mar 2017 #54
Hillary's emails, though. Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2017 #23
I thought he was responding to a comment by David Cay Johnson. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #27
He was Marthe48 Mar 2017 #33
What did he say? I'm watching now and didn't hear this. nt AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2017 #32
Wake up, the squeaky wheel gets the grease randr Mar 2017 #34
He didn't release his taxes but American people voted for him anyway. LisaL Mar 2017 #36
Most Americans didn't vote for him, that's what's fucked up uponit7771 Mar 2017 #40
And, we're still asking for his taxes.. Cha Mar 2017 #61
His Racist supporters also like it that Putin helped Trump JI7 Mar 2017 #44
Les Moonves of CBS said the ratings were just too good gratuitous Mar 2017 #46
I think he meant that no one should have voted radical noodle Mar 2017 #52
I took this to be TRUMP supporters didn't care eniwetok Mar 2017 #56
No... Remember, Brian Williams was engaged in heavy combat years ago! Caliman73 Mar 2017 #59
they did vote for turnip. pansypoo53219 Mar 2017 #63
He's right. butdiduvote Mar 2017 #64
This is why they shouldn't have had JustAnotherGen Mar 2017 #65
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