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PoindexterOglethorpe

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30. No one is saying that Chelsea Clinton is unfit to serve because she was
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 05:54 PM
Apr 2017

raised in a wealthy family.

People have expressed concern that she should automatically be considered a viable candidate simply because she grew up in a political family. Especially as she has never once expressed any interest in running for elective office.

I almost hate to mention the Obama women (Michelle, Sasha, and Malia) since this may be interpreted as sexism, but again, I've seen people here gush over the possibility of any of them running for office, simply because they are the wife and daughters of a President. Michelle has made it crystal clear she has no interested in running. If either Sasha or Malia does move in that direction in the near future, by majoring in political science or going to law school for instance, and then actually running for office or taking up community organization, I'll be the first to congratulate them.

The second and third generation Kennedys who've gone into politics, did it at the beginning of their adult lives. They didn't just go off and do other things for several decades and then decided to run for office. Also, that family has notoriously discouraged its women from accomplishing much on their own, so Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is a notable exception in that she became Lt Governor of Maryland.

And people have complained bitterly about the Kennedy and Bush dynasties. The latter consists exclusively of male members. So your complaint that somehow sexism is the main thing at work here doesn't hold water. At least not for me.

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Men are terrified of HRC, she has principals and intelligence far ahead of the lizards. DK504 Apr 2017 #1
She's strong and smart BainsBane Apr 2017 #2
It's not as though she'd ever run again...so why talk abour her candidacy in the present tense? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #55
Because her treatment is an example of misogyny in action BainsBane Apr 2017 #59
The RIGHT savaged her on gender. NOT the Left. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #63
Bullshit BainsBane Apr 2017 #71
The vast majority of opposition to HRC in the primaries was on the issues and nothing else. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #75
On economic issues, there really wasn't much daylight WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #77
I realize she was challenged. It sounds like a lot of people think Ken Burch Apr 2017 #80
She was challenged by Senator Sanders, WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #81
He campaigned for her all fall. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #82
There was absolutely a valid reason for him to run and campaign WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #85
I'll explain, but I won't debate it if you choose to reject my explanations: Ken Burch Apr 2017 #89
So the "she's the corporate candidate" message ehrnst Apr 2017 #103
Yes, I do. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #190
And quoted the number of delegates he got in the primary as many times as he could ehrnst Apr 2017 #102
The defining spirit of the Sanders campaign was a belief in the need for transformational change- Ken Burch Apr 2017 #191
welcome to du. niyad Apr 2017 #141
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #110
Ahh, the good old days mcar Apr 2017 #115
You deserve hazard pay for wading through that BainsBane Apr 2017 #116
History matters loyalsister Apr 2017 #124
Thank you for that post. You've offered the best analysis so far in this thread. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #157
Let me shorten that; A lot of people fell for the con. And they don't want to admit it. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #164
They responded loyalsister Apr 2017 #165
I don't plan on ever considering sabotage and foreign intervention as miscalculations. fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #168
It wasn't a con to not support HRC in the primaries. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #201
Non sequitur. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #204
LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #83
They could have chosen not to echo the right. synergie Apr 2017 #87
"Don't vote with your vagina" kcr Apr 2017 #91
I condemned those who used such words at the time. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #93
You condemned them at the time. But will pretend it never happened now? kcr Apr 2017 #94
What I'm saying is that it didn't DEFINE the Sanders campaign. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #96
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #97
He never decided to run a campaign for white people Ken Burch Apr 2017 #98
Sanders is in front of the cameras and sending out messages daily ehrnst Apr 2017 #107
+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #99
You said misogyny did NOT happen on the left. That's what's being refuted. ehrnst Apr 2017 #104
It happened. It shouldn't have. It didn't DEFINE anti-HRC sentiment on the Left. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #198
So you've changed your mind about it. That's good. ehrnst Apr 2017 #202
I recall that very clearly... (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #101
I remember that last one... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #125
...and... Mike Nelson Apr 2017 #127
"I won't vote for her just because she's a woman" Baconator Apr 2017 #135
If you need to ask that question most likely you won't accept the answer. George II Apr 2017 #142
Try me... Baconator Apr 2017 #145
Are you serious? NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #147
It just seems odd to vote for someone based on genetics... Baconator Apr 2017 #148
How so? NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #149
Your mileage may vary... Baconator Apr 2017 #150
Your concern is noted. NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #160
Wrong - there is PLENTY of sexism towards her on the left ehrnst Apr 2017 #100
yeah, throw your vote away on the LIAR, stein.. Cha Apr 2017 #162
Those were a handful of people. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #185
Really? Nothing from the left? LisaM Apr 2017 #177
Yes, it would be significant to elect a woman. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #182
Thank you for proving my point. n/t LisaM Apr 2017 #186
I didn't prove your point. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #188
Yes, you did prove my point. LisaM Apr 2017 #192
Nobody had to support HRC in the primaries to prove they weren't sexist. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #195
"Why DID it have to be HRC, btw? What was so special about her compared to any other woman lunamagica Apr 2017 #203
I agree that she had experience. That's not the only thing that matters. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #207
So, what else matters that she didn't have? lunamagica Apr 2017 #211
OK...compared to Elizabeth Warren, for example? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #212
What makes you think Hillary will never run again? lapucelle Apr 2017 #129
Two losses like she has taken... Baconator Apr 2017 #136
Apparently not to everyone, including me. lapucelle Apr 2017 #138
Just difficult to see any real path to victory... Baconator Apr 2017 #139
We see "issues" with male candidates all the time. lapucelle Apr 2017 #161
She won the hearts of the American people by 2.9 million people. pnwmom Apr 2017 #144
I think future candidates will really have to 'win hearts'... Baconator Apr 2017 #146
One loss for the GE. And Nixon became president after losing the GE once. lunamagica Apr 2017 #205
How'd that one turn out...? Baconator Apr 2017 #213
The way it turned out has nothing to do with the fact that he won after losing once lunamagica Apr 2017 #214
I'm not saying it's impossible... Baconator Apr 2017 #215
I don't know, it's to early to tell. and I never said that lunamagica Apr 2017 #216
We can make an educated estimate... Baconator Apr 2017 #217
I don't think any of THEM will run again. Or should. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #155
NO BUSH NO CLINTON snooper2 Apr 2017 #117
Thousands of times we were told no more Clinton's no more Bush's Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #176
...the lizards? Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #27
cool... haven't heard them for ages Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #38
Not men on the left. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #57
So please explain these comments by men on the left ehrnst Apr 2017 #105
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #86
Especially men who voted for Hillary, donated, phone banked, knocked on doors, etc. IronLionZion Apr 2017 #152
What I find amusing... tammywammy Apr 2017 #3
No doubt BainsBane Apr 2017 #6
And looking ahead to George Prescott Bush, son of jeb! calimary Apr 2017 #34
... AngryAmish Apr 2017 #4
Care to express your point in words? BainsBane Apr 2017 #8
I know he's not Trump, but a trigger warning please next time? ;) moriah Apr 2017 #114
Before or after the sun goes Nova? AngryAmish Apr 2017 #118
K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #5
I criticized the whole Dynasty thing when people here were flouting Joe Kennedy III a few weeks ago. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #7
Nope, I know for a fact you're wrong BainsBane Apr 2017 #9
Here's the Joe Kennedy thread Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #10
The no more Clinton dynasty people aren't even in that thread BainsBane Apr 2017 #14
I dunno, I'm not part of any contingency. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #15
Did I put your name in the OP? BainsBane Apr 2017 #18
i made that same point in the thread. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #21
Fair points BainsBane Apr 2017 #23
Al Gore is another BainsBane Apr 2017 #24
You are absolutely right about Gore, and Trudeau. But also Dubya. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #26
It may not be at all BainsBane Apr 2017 #31
Kudos to you both for the respectful exchange. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #39
Ah, Bain and I go way back, lol. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #45
yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #106
It is name ID crazycatlady Apr 2017 #111
The thing is, the two times we've won the WH in the past 36 years, we've run relative unknowns. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #153
The Clintons are hardly a dynasty anyway. LisaM Apr 2017 #51
Check out this thread BainsBane Apr 2017 #52
Oh brother! LisaM Apr 2017 #58
I know I made a beeline... Orsino Apr 2017 #119
I worry about that because of Trump BainsBane Apr 2017 #120
It doesn't matter that the Clintons are two (or three) different people. Orsino Apr 2017 #122
The demographics they attract BainsBane Apr 2017 #143
Clintons evolve. Orsino Apr 2017 #167
You're a walking poster for my OP BainsBane Apr 2017 #169
she attracts minority voters and single women who tend to have it toughest economically JI7 Apr 2017 #166
Also realize this BainsBane Apr 2017 #121
Yes. The woman card thing is a powerful innoculation... Orsino Apr 2017 #123
it's not a card BainsBane Apr 2017 #170
I say it's a card, and I'm for playing it. Orsino Apr 2017 #171
You're playing a card alright BainsBane Apr 2017 #172
Exactly. Gore1FL Apr 2017 #73
Excellent job! caroldansen Apr 2017 #11
Thanks! BainsBane Apr 2017 #22
Thanks very much for posting this. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #12
K&R brer cat Apr 2017 #13
K&R! nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #16
Some here highly praised mcar Apr 2017 #17
Add the Trudeau 'dynasty' deurbano Apr 2017 #19
Good point BainsBane Apr 2017 #20
Indeed. Who DOESN'T gush over Justin Trudeau? SunSeeker Apr 2017 #133
They are only human. BainsBane Apr 2017 #137
In fairness genxlib Apr 2017 #25
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. nt BainsBane Apr 2017 #28
+Infinity NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #29
No one is saying that Chelsea Clinton is unfit to serve because she was PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #30
Actually they did BainsBane Apr 2017 #33
Alas, a hidden post means that if you weren't PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #35
If two isn't a dynasty BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
People these days are awfully quck to start using the word Dynasty. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2017 #37
seems fair BainsBane Apr 2017 #54
George Prescott Bush (son of Jeb) is in politics right now. Demit Apr 2017 #62
Actually, FDR Jr. was a Congressman from New York thucythucy Apr 2017 #134
Glad you are one of those who understand that about Chelsea. moriah Apr 2017 #113
"I can't be sexist. I support Liz Warren and Tulsi Gabbard." - And they talk about those two... George II Apr 2017 #32
So it's sexist to question the idea of nominating ANY members of the Clinton family? Ken Burch Apr 2017 #43
Actually, it kind of is. kcr Apr 2017 #92
I think this started because somebody in the press started floating the Chelsea idea this week. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #95
The savaging of Warren from the left once she endorsed HRC ehrnst Apr 2017 #108
Pay no attention to the brazen nepotism in the Trump family. YoungDemCA Apr 2017 #40
We've all denounced that. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #42
No. For anyone. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #41
Oh, yes. That's exactly what I'm arguing BainsBane Apr 2017 #44
FDR was a class traitor...standing with the poor against the 1%. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #47
You are working really hard to avoid the point BainsBane Apr 2017 #49
I've never said that nobody's opposition to HRC was based in sexism. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #53
I give up BainsBane Apr 2017 #60
IT's the Right who hates the idea of a woman being president...not the Left. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #61
Might need a thinner paintbrush. PdxSean Apr 2017 #46
If you look closely at my post BainsBane Apr 2017 #48
KnR to you, BB Hekate Apr 2017 #50
Great Post BB Gothmog Apr 2017 #56
Thanks, Gothmog! BainsBane Apr 2017 #65
Sexism exists, yes. People should look long and hard at why they hold the opinions on people they do JCanete Apr 2017 #64
Interesting, because Carter represented a rightward turn for the party BainsBane Apr 2017 #67
on what did carter represent a rightward turn? I may be mistaken there, and I don't mean to say that JCanete Apr 2017 #70
Here BainsBane Apr 2017 #74
thanks for that! nt JCanete Apr 2017 #76
Dynasties are quintessentially American. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #66
There are prominent families around the world BainsBane Apr 2017 #69
THANK YOU!! "respecting one woman or person of color doesn't mean one is immune to racism or sexism" uponit7771 Apr 2017 #68
The excuse for the Trump voters BainsBane Apr 2017 #78
... AngryAmish Apr 2017 #72
Great points. R B Garr Apr 2017 #79
Thanks! BainsBane Apr 2017 #84
Must be lonely in that ideological corner of yours. nt redgreenandblue Apr 2017 #88
Oh, please. Her OP has over 80 likes (so far) do you call that lonely? lunamagica Apr 2017 #208
"The whitelash that Toni Morrison wrote about"--here's the link: raccoon Apr 2017 #90
Thanks. BainsBane Apr 2017 #112
We live it daily, hourly, every second and it was rampant Guilded Lilly Apr 2017 #109
I don't even get it .. JHan Apr 2017 #126
Precisely. BainsBane Apr 2017 #131
I'm a feminist janterry Apr 2017 #128
Not the point BainsBane Apr 2017 #130
For myself, wealth concerns me with ANYONE we might nominate. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #156
I'll be checking back with you around June BainsBane Apr 2017 #174
Go ahead. I don't hold either of those views. Never have. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #175
I don't know how many times I have to say BainsBane Apr 2017 #180
I'm as anti-sexist as you are. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #184
No more dynasties. Period. TXCritter Apr 2017 #132
k and r + several gazillion for truth!! niyad Apr 2017 #140
+1000 Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #151
Very Distressing Post Rilgin Apr 2017 #154
It isn't about policy or why people voted as they did. BainsBane Apr 2017 #158
no Rilgin Apr 2017 #159
Rilgin is right and your history is simply wrong. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #163
The point is people here BainsBane Apr 2017 #173
About FDR and JFK Jim Lane Apr 2017 #206
So your point is to attack democrats. Rilgin Apr 2017 #209
Excellent post. Kentonio Apr 2017 #181
So sick of this bullshit. Kentonio Apr 2017 #178
Nothing makes her someone you need to be talking about BainsBane Apr 2017 #179
Well first of all, let's start with the basic fact that I couldn't care less what you believe. Kentonio Apr 2017 #183
If the argument would have been about qualifications BainsBane Apr 2017 #187
You don't have to have been born into a political family to be part of a dynasty. Kentonio Apr 2017 #189
"but I think you've misunderstood slightly" melman Apr 2017 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #193
All true. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #196
"Showed up just in time"? BainsBane Apr 2017 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Apr 2017 #199
Great post BB. Spot on, as usual lunamagica Apr 2017 #194
Thanks, lunamagica! BainsBane Apr 2017 #200
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