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bluedigger

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69. I have no idea - do you?

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:07 AM

Jul 2012

Occupy's failure to publicize and organize this Fourth of July to-do was pretty disappointing to me. I had high hopes last Fall, but they seem to have squandered their momentum. They remind me a little of the various Tea Party entities post-2010 when the Koch's stopped supporting them (so much) and they turned on each other.

They did succeed in raising the public consciousness towards income inequality, but I don't see them as having a viable Second Act at this time. A Republican sweep of the Presidency and legislatures would empower them, of course, but I'm not rooting for that to happen, obviously.

As for Philly's EMS, I'm sure they will hydrate anyone in dire need, but it is Occupy's responsibility to provide it's own logistical support, not the city's. Those are the kinds of tasks that build capability and experience for an organization. They need to demonstrate self sufficiency and competance before they can solve the rest of our problems.

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Philadelphia Mayor Apparently Wants Occupy National Gathering Participants to Go Thirsty in Heat [View all] Hissyspit Jul 2012 OP

Damn Republicans just have no soul... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #1

Democratic mayors are behind some of the worst violence against Occupy so it's equal opportunity. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #2

Don't forget Rahm in Chicago. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #11

I try to ;) Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #15

It's as if they think they'll lose to the 'Pugs Ken Burch Jul 2012 #24

It's a Democratic mayor who issued the order. . . Journeyman Jul 2012 #3

Gogol's "dead souls" ananda Jul 2012 #14

You did see that this was a Democrat, right? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #6

Eh, we vote for Democrats because they don't do things like this.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #17

Someone who assumes that a municipal government run by the Democratic Party Ken Burch Jul 2012 #25

Or someone with a well nigh overwhelming urge to snark.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #31

Point taken. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #40

The Occupiers are not stupid and not naive SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #32

It does reveal the depth to which they will all sink in order to attempt to hurt the movement. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #59

"basic general public services"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #115

"Let them die" is a Libertarian position. I'm not getting this at all. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #153

Stop. Just stop. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #166

Don't forget Wilson Goode, Dem and Philly Mayor in 1985 when coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #220

Philadelphia's mayor is a Democrat madashelltoo Jul 2012 #19

I read the OP, was being snarky.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author former9thward Jul 2012 #23

What is the link? EFerrari Jul 2012 #4

Fixed. Hissyspit Jul 2012 #8

Thank you. You know, the problem with coordinating crowd control EFerrari Jul 2012 #16

Philadelphia Mayor Wants Occupy National Gathering Participants to Go Thirsty in Heat Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #9

Utterly ignoring the area's revolutionary history. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #5

He's a zero... PCIntern Jul 2012 #7

Nutter is only a Democrat because everyone here is a Democrat. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #10

I have read a lot about 'Nutter' even before OWS sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #12

Then you remember, PCIntern Jul 2012 #22

The MOVE bomb makes Goode much worse in my book bluestateguy Jul 2012 #33

Philly politics have always been ugly. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #82

+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #90

When republicans cant get elected in democrat dominated areas... Larry Ogg Jul 2012 #41

Yes. In this bizzarro world I'm considering running as a Republican. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #81

In reading your comment, and then your sig line..., Larry Ogg Jul 2012 #85

On the positive side, Chris Hedges has been speaking :) Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #13

And there are such things as bottled water for the time being. freshwest Jul 2012 #208

"He would like to make sure none of his precious campaign donors" BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #18

Well the lawsuit should be fun nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #20

asked about denying water to the protesters in dangerously oppressive heat: "Just following orders." Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #26

The Occupiers are pretty naive to depend on the Establishment to support them. bluedigger Jul 2012 #27

Do we know that they didn't? EFerrari Jul 2012 #39

What are you implying? bluedigger Jul 2012 #50

It's the proactive refusal that bothers most people, I think. Occulus Jul 2012 #55

Do you know what Occupy planned? EFerrari Jul 2012 #58

I have no idea - do you? bluedigger Jul 2012 #69

Well, I've watched dozens of these big protests and the only time EFerrari Jul 2012 #71

And that's their problem. bluedigger Jul 2012 #74

No, that's your assumption which as far as we know hasn't been verified. EFerrari Jul 2012 #75

What assumption? bluedigger Jul 2012 #77

You are assuming Occupy didn't have its own water supply. EFerrari Jul 2012 #78

It's sad that in this day of global mass media it is certain 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #105

It's pretty clear from the linked article that they didn't plan on having their own water supply SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #108

I don't know. I asked Kevin Gosztola and @tigerbeat EFerrari Jul 2012 #127

Precisely. MADem Jul 2012 #79

Maybe that's the point? Hissyspit Jul 2012 #52

How deliciously amoral of you. - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #225

To understand something is not to endorse it. n/t bluedigger Jul 2012 #228

Oh, but you do endorse it with your phrase 'good tactics' and coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #229

Protesters and media being kettled, arrested Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #28

ALERT:There is no video from #NATGAT MASS ARREST. All streamers have been arrested. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #35

One livestream still up: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #38

And now punkboy is streaming jail support. EFerrari Jul 2012 #56

Thanks! Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #67

These Occupiers are too stupid to live Demeter Jul 2012 #29

Hi there. I'm an Occupier. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #34

Yes, tooo stoooopid GarroHorus Jul 2012 #46

You have no idea what you're talking about. EFerrari Jul 2012 #51

Occupiers creating an "emergency" where none exists GarroHorus Jul 2012 #61

You are criticizing a situation you have no knowledge or understanding of EFerrari Jul 2012 #63

Occupiers are creating an "emergency:" where none exists and you have no knowledge.. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #65

Emergency care would be a general public service SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #104

Can you imagine protesters milling around outside the fire station while getting water? randome Jul 2012 #110

Obviously then, water is something which needs to be free. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #139

You're right, it's a basic human need SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #141

If you're sick of the 1%, how about being sick of the(ir) concept of paying for water. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #142

Being sick of the 1% doesn't mean that the Occupiers don't have to exercise some responsiblity SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #145

I think horizontalism must be the way to go, if everyone is okay with people dying from heat. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #148

Quick question, yes or no SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #150

Quick question, yes or no, do we care for our brothers and sisters in dire need? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #158

Then I take it that yes or no are not in your vocabulary? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #162

Taking care of people in need is. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #174

Dodge. PavePusher Jul 2012 #168

I will not step into your distractions. Take care of people in need, period. End of story. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #173

Why do you think they can not take care of themselves? PavePusher Jul 2012 #178

Why didn't some of the Occupiers care enough about their fellow protesters SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #209

Occupy organizers are providing water to participants in Philly, per I text I just received. yardwork Jul 2012 #211

That's good news! SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #213

Maybe they did have water stations yesterday, too. It doesn't negate the mayor's behavior. yardwork Jul 2012 #214

Yes, both things can be true at the same time SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #215

Your contempt for the Occupy movement is odd considering your posting name. yardwork Jul 2012 #216

I don't have contempt for them at all SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #219

Since when did the fire department Meiko Jul 2012 #124

"Ron Paul: No Federal Financial Aid for Tornado Victims" Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #133

Obviously water is something which needs to be free. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #138

Water IS free. Go get some. randome Jul 2012 #140

Yeah, so stupid to expect public servants to serve the public. EFerrari Jul 2012 #37

So a fire station gives out all its water during a drought to Occupiers and then a fire happens. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #47

Have you read your own posts lately? EFerrari Jul 2012 #49

Have you? GarroHorus Jul 2012 #62

"Expect public servants to serve the public"? What country do you think this is? Zalatix Jul 2012 #84

I would be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 people reading this..... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #100

Stupid is as stupid does. PavePusher Jul 2012 #116

"...evolution in action" is a Larry Niven line, and he's a die-hard Ronald Reagan fan. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #136

What, you don't believe in evolution? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #152

Odd you are not alarmed to find yourself quoting a staunch Republican Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #154

Once in a while those assholes are right. PavePusher Jul 2012 #169

Let them die, dog eat dog. That's quite a philosophy you have there. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #171

You've ascribed a position to me that I do not hold. PavePusher Jul 2012 #175

Seriously? Scootaloo Jul 2012 #57

Evidently extremely seriously if you look downthread. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #177

The establishment doesn't care about little people, let's protest! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #91

I'm with you on this one Demeter. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2012 #121

Welcome to my Ignore list - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #226

here an issue Democratic and Republican leaders can joelz Jul 2012 #30

this country is divided by the humane and the inhumane. spanone Jul 2012 #36

Philadelphia Police Civil Affairs - 215-685-3685 Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #42

Report: all the live streamers have been arrested EFerrari Jul 2012 #43

There is a reason I am registered as "unaffiliated". Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #68

Children's Crusade From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Demeter Jul 2012 #44

No time for sermons, we're busy doing things. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #53

Piss poor planning on the part of Occupy planners. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #45

30 Occupiers and 2 streamers arrested. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #48

DHS on the scene, our taxes at work: EFerrari Jul 2012 #54

Unless arrangements were made ahead of time nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #60

Deny to one, deny to all. Period. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #66

It's more likely that they were cut off from their own stuff somehow. EFerrari Jul 2012 #72

give me some evidence/facts on this claim and i'll listen, until then i'll agree with poor planning. Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2012 #87

It doesn't work that way nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #89

You go right ahead. EFerrari Jul 2012 #128

In this case it looks like they were just expecting the fire department to 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #93

Livestream recorded archive of what cops did yesterday in the park: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #64

If this had been done to a Tealiban gathering Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #70

Here is the recording of cops kettling the protesters with bicycles: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #73

What? They didn't bring water to the revolution? And these are folks we're relying on..... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #76

Just bring their own water treestar Jul 2012 #80

Agreed. HappyMe Jul 2012 #86

Where can I donate money for water? Zalatix Jul 2012 #83

Why can't the protesters Meiko Jul 2012 #88

I'm sorry, what was that? 'Organizers'? What does that word mean? randome Jul 2012 #98

who ever puts the protests together Meiko Jul 2012 #120

Absolutely. An 'organic' and 'leaderless' movement is destined to flounder. randome Jul 2012 #137

"The organizers of these protests are a very sharp group of people" NCTraveler Jul 2012 #101

It would seem so Meiko Jul 2012 #122

Oh, I think they're slightly sharper than you think ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #129

True... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #191

It also makes them look like martyrs... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #221

Sounds like a case of poor planning slackmaster Jul 2012 #92

Only mad dogs and englishment go out in the midday sun 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #94

Is there a possible lawsuit against this mayor.. 99Forever Jul 2012 #95

"if a citizen becomes seriously ill " NCTraveler Jul 2012 #102

Is this your judicial opinion as an actual judge? 99Forever Jul 2012 #112

"I can't say for sure" NCTraveler Jul 2012 #117

Firestations are public property. HappyMe Jul 2012 #106

See my response to your fellow skeptic. n/t 99Forever Jul 2012 #113

Still ridiculous, sorry. HappyMe Jul 2012 #123

I know dood or doodette. 99Forever Jul 2012 #126

Since when is it a firefighter's job to provide water to HappyMe Jul 2012 #130

So it seems you are defending the 1%... 99Forever Jul 2012 #131

What? HappyMe Jul 2012 #134

You can either explain your defense of the 1% or.. 99Forever Jul 2012 #151

Fine, assume away. HappyMe Jul 2012 #155

a true friend would tell said friend when they are acting in an idiotic manner Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2012 #203

Who's "defending" the 1%? PavePusher Jul 2012 #218

If only Occupy read DU... SidDithers Jul 2012 #96

It's rather brutal to see people on DU cheering on the misery of the occupiers or any other human myrna minx Jul 2012 #97

No one wants anyone to be miserable. (Well, for the vast majority of us, maybe.) randome Jul 2012 #99

I think it's more "they created problems for themselves" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #103

That's a Libertarian position, isn't it? They should have known better so let them suffer/die? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #183

Not really 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #188

I agree 1000% 99Forever Jul 2012 #114

Really? I can only dimly imagine the glee here... PavePusher Jul 2012 #119

"Let them die" is a Libertarian stance. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #132

Seriously, who said anything about "Let them die"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #156

The conditions have already been stated as ripe for heat stroke and death. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #160

If you don't see a difference between a tornado and carrying a bottle or two of water.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #165

I fear for the future of the world when people can't see allowing Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #172

I fear a future where adults are too stupid or lazy to supply the most basic survival need. Throd Jul 2012 #187

Agreed... richmwill Jul 2012 #157

Don't forget coats in the winter 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #190

I can't believe people wouldn't go out in the heat without anything to drink.. snooper2 Jul 2012 #118

How much would it cost to rent a large water tank and trailer 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #192

Occupy has water stations in Philly this week. They are not unprepared. yardwork Jul 2012 #195

So . . . what's the problem then? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #196

I'm reporting a text I just received from somebody who is in Philly at Occupy. yardwork Jul 2012 #198

Seems like drummed up controversy then 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #205

Well, then what HappyMe Jul 2012 #197

It sounds like two things are true. One, the fire station did refuse water. yardwork Jul 2012 #200

Someone was fear mongering. PavePusher Jul 2012 #202

I don't know that is fear mongering. The news reports are true, apparently. yardwork Jul 2012 #212

It is not the Mayor's job, nor the city's obligation.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #217

I am seriously considering leaving DU for good because of it. This coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #227

This thread is horrifying. Welcome to Ron Paul Underground. myrna minx Jul 2012 #231

Air drop? n/t Ian David Jul 2012 #107

By automated drones. randome Jul 2012 #109

I hope the Quakers stand up to their usual standards. They have been on the right side of the jwirr Jul 2012 #111

Don't stop Remember Jul 2012 #125

One aspect of Occupy is that the illusion of scarcity is only an illusion. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #135

No other animal on Earth pays for water. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #143

No other animal Meiko Jul 2012 #144

My point is freedom vs. Capitalism. Obviously, capitalism and its proponents are OK when people die. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #146

"Why do we pay for something that is a =natural= resource?" PavePusher Jul 2012 #159

Perhaps even reality nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #167

Well, yeah, but I figured I'd keep it narrow.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jul 2012 #179

I think I was being rather civil nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #189

Umm... no other animal filters out impurities and organisms nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #147

Seriously? You do not imagine that I am aware of our systems of storage and filtration and Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #149

No-one has "decreed" any such fucking thing. PavePusher Jul 2012 #161

A post on brotherly love gets this response? Thank you and goodbye. Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #176

A post on "brotherly love" would not be based on a lie. PavePusher Jul 2012 #185

The mean spirit runs deep in .. 99Forever Jul 2012 #201

And stupid people die B2G Jul 2012 #206

I regularly hear almost exactly the same sentiment from.. 99Forever Jul 2012 #223

Mean people are in pain. May they find love and healing now. :( Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #210

How many protestors died yesterday? B2G Jul 2012 #164

135 Throd Jul 2012 #180

If only they'd chanted... B2G Jul 2012 #184

I'm so going to hell.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #186

Oh! HappyMe Jul 2012 #194

"Nothing has happened yet so everything is okay?" Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #181

This post made me lol B2G Jul 2012 #163

No other animal on earth gets to use the city water supply 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #193

I just texted with somebody at Occupy in Philly. yardwork Jul 2012 #182

What a humanitarian. Did he offer them cake as a substitute? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #199

Should the city also give them cheese steaks? Freddie Stubbs Jul 2012 #204

It's Philly! Of course! randome Jul 2012 #207

occupy. -eom Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #222

June 30: Man hit in the throat with baton at Occupy Philadelphia #NatGat: Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #224

Break their unions. Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #232

Or..... PavePusher Jul 2012 #233

Thank you for posting this. It's at times like this that coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #230