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In reply to the discussion: "No more dynasties"--for women, that is [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)206. About FDR and JFK
Nobody here is praising FDR because he was the fifth cousin of a previous President. That hardly makes a dynasty. Nor are people here enthused that he campaigned (in 1932) on a promise of a balanced budget. People here are clamoring for the Democratic Party to return to the spirit in which he actually governed -- taking bold action to help the people, even if it means infuriating the moneyed class.
I can't picture Hillary Clinton (or, for that matter, Barack Obama) saying anything like what Roosevelt did in a 1936 speech looking back on his first term:
We had to struggle with the old enemies of peacebusiness and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for meand I welcome their hatred.
There are two different substantive approaches here. Do you believe in seeking progress through triangulation and finding a nice warm purple space, or through fighting against the oligarchs and welcoming their hatred. DUers who have preferred FDR over Clinton have done so because they favor the latter approach.
If FDR got some advantage from being a fifth cousin of a former President, JFK got none, not being related to any former President (although of course his family was rich, as is true of many politicians of both parties and both sexes). Neither FDR nor JFK was in a class with Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton. For both of the latter, we may safely conclude that their being in the immediate family of a President was a critical factor in their rising to national prominence.
Among current leaders, the same DUers who consider Hillary Clinton to be too conservative tend to have the same opinion of Andrew Cuomo. He's like Hillary and Jeb in terms of the importance of the family (or, if you will, dynastic) relationship to his career, but many of us think that he is far inferior to his father.
The bottom line is that I don't see a double standard being applied by progressives. We have reasons for finding flaws in Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, and Andrew Cuomo, reasons unrelated to gender.
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Men are terrified of HRC, she has principals and intelligence far ahead of the lizards.
DK504
Apr 2017
#1
It's not as though she'd ever run again...so why talk abour her candidacy in the present tense?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#55
The vast majority of opposition to HRC in the primaries was on the issues and nothing else.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#75
And quoted the number of delegates he got in the primary as many times as he could
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#102
The defining spirit of the Sanders campaign was a belief in the need for transformational change-
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#191
Thank you for that post. You've offered the best analysis so far in this thread.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#157
Let me shorten that; A lot of people fell for the con. And they don't want to admit it. nt
fleabiscuit
Apr 2017
#164
I don't plan on ever considering sabotage and foreign intervention as miscalculations.
fleabiscuit
Apr 2017
#168
It happened. It shouldn't have. It didn't DEFINE anti-HRC sentiment on the Left.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#198
"Why DID it have to be HRC, btw? What was so special about her compared to any other woman
lunamagica
Apr 2017
#203
The way it turned out has nothing to do with the fact that he won after losing once
lunamagica
Apr 2017
#214
Especially men who voted for Hillary, donated, phone banked, knocked on doors, etc.
IronLionZion
Apr 2017
#152
I criticized the whole Dynasty thing when people here were flouting Joe Kennedy III a few weeks ago.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#7
The thing is, the two times we've won the WH in the past 36 years, we've run relative unknowns.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2017
#153
she attracts minority voters and single women who tend to have it toughest economically
JI7
Apr 2017
#166
No one is saying that Chelsea Clinton is unfit to serve because she was
PoindexterOglethorpe
Apr 2017
#30
People these days are awfully quck to start using the word Dynasty.
PoindexterOglethorpe
Apr 2017
#37
"I can't be sexist. I support Liz Warren and Tulsi Gabbard." - And they talk about those two...
George II
Apr 2017
#32
So it's sexist to question the idea of nominating ANY members of the Clinton family?
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#43
I think this started because somebody in the press started floating the Chelsea idea this week.
Ken Burch
Apr 2017
#95
Sexism exists, yes. People should look long and hard at why they hold the opinions on people they do
JCanete
Apr 2017
#64
on what did carter represent a rightward turn? I may be mistaken there, and I don't mean to say that
JCanete
Apr 2017
#70
THANK YOU!! "respecting one woman or person of color doesn't mean one is immune to racism or sexism"
uponit7771
Apr 2017
#68
Well first of all, let's start with the basic fact that I couldn't care less what you believe.
Kentonio
Apr 2017
#183
You don't have to have been born into a political family to be part of a dynasty.
Kentonio
Apr 2017
#189