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Rilgin

(795 posts)
51. The problem is projection
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 04:31 PM
Apr 2017

Perrielo is not running on anti-abortion or pro-life policies and has promised not to vote to limit pro-choice positions. He is not a pro-life candidate. You want this to be a choice between someone who is pro-life and someone who is pro-choice so you can say any support for one candidate is throwing you under the bus.

It is true that Pirreilo voted for Stupak but he also voted and worked to preserve funding for Planned Parenthood. He is not pure on this issue like Northram seems to be but Perrielo has apologized for Stupak and says that his not his current belief. Like a ton of politicians (including many which I am sure you support) he says he has evolved on this issue. You just do not want to believe him because otherwise you are not being dissed. If both are currently pro-choice your criticism has no validity unless you attach his current position. But that is not being thrown under the bus, its not believing the evolution of a candidate. I don't know him or know what he will do. However, I do know a few things. You are exaggerating him to be anti-choice as a candidate so you can have outrage and I find it unlikely that Perrielo will actually vote in any way to adversely affect the right to an abortion. If Perrielo gets elected and votes anti-choice he will have no future in the democratic party. You do know this. He like Biden before him has made the choice to be pro-choice politically.

You mention LGBTQ rights. Are you prepared to use the same standards on your own favored politicians. It is not the left nor economic leftists that have been the historic opponents of civil rights, gay marriage or anti-abortion. Both Obama and Hillary were publically against gay marriage while running for political offices. Bill signed DOMA and instituted don't ask don't tell rather than support the right to be gay. Hillary's full conversion to equal rights came finally in 2013 (well after she was a senator and after her first run for president). Did or would you have supported Hillary for Senator and, if so, because she was not pure on absolute gay rights would that be throwing gay people under the bus. That is the problem with your outrage, it invents enemies, sets up strawmen to fight against and is selective as to who you target.

And economic populism is not being used by anyone on the left to "define" whether someone is progressive. You are purely making that up. I challenge you again, please find anywhere support on the left for someone who is outright anti-choice or supports a candidate that is running on an anti-choice platform. You will not find one. It is the centrists who have preached an election strategy of co-opting issues and triangulation which is why you will find centrist politicians often adding the word rarity or rate as a goal in their abortion beliefs to give credence to it being bad rather than giving pro-choice a full throated endorsement.

Personally, like Bernie, I am fully pro-choice and do not think government has a role in limiting or not funding the choice. However, there are a lot of democrats who seem ok with some limits and use their soapbox to denigrate the abortion choice (demanding rarity be included in the defense of abortion) as long as they do not challenge the compromise of Roe v. Wade. In the broad democratic party, you will find some people who have mixed histories and who profess support for some limits on abortion including big prominent democratic politicians who you have studiously avoided attacking. It is an awkward position for these people and they almost always have to disavow their personal beliefs as subsumed by a political promise to keep them separate. From the standpoint of voters and supporters in terms of supporting these candidates with mixed records it is also awkward but it is not a Bernie or Warren problem. The democratic party position is that it has accepted some personally pro-life politicians like Bob Casey and Biden and Kaine



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Why not add Elizabeth Warren in the comments? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #1
Psst. Wrong narrative. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #3
Yes, we know and are supposed to ignore the obvious. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4
Instead of griping, this could be an opportunity for you to "balance" things... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #7
Thank you for the invitation, but in brief: guillaumeb Apr 2017 #8
There are many possibilities. Yours is only one of many. Please see post #9 (below) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #11
"Obama team lines up behind Perriello" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #25
Perrillio votes for the stupak amendment and almost derailed the ACA...he is not a solid choice. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #33
This surprises me about Elizabeth. WhiteTara Apr 2017 #27
It is simple. Else You Are Mad Apr 2017 #30
i.e., she can't win? WhiteTara Apr 2017 #32
Pretty much. Else You Are Mad Apr 2017 #36
This is a primary. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34
I have to defer to Warren's knowledge. Else You Are Mad Apr 2017 #38
Not me... I think for myself and I lived in Virginia for years...my family still does... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #39
And, I respect that. Else You Are Mad Apr 2017 #43
I am very angry about Dem leaders endorsing anti-choice candidates...Sen. Sanders is just one person Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #44
I called her...it's a primary. She should not endorse a candidate with who voted for the Stupak Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #35
I cannot answer for Warren, or Sanders, but I feel that they are choosing to endorse guillaumeb Apr 2017 #49
I did in fact add Sen. Warren...as this was certainly fair and an omission on my part. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #18
I guess she's just not a "popular" as Bernie. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #5
SO is the goal to attack Sanders and refrain from attacking "real Democrats" guillaumeb Apr 2017 #6
I cannot account for the conclusions at which you arrive. Your accusations appear to be based... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #9
It is obvious why there is a double standard here, and in other articles. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #10
What double standard are you referring to? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #15
It's bullshit. It's a deflection technique... used to change the subject. Fact is this... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #20
And he has chosen to be the Party's arbiter WhiteTara Apr 2017 #29
I know, right? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #41
I have no other agenda then to fight this move right by the Democratic Party in Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #37
People who are too emotionally invested in a single politician will often ... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #40
The evident one. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #47
As is the denial of holding a tin god held to any standard at all LanternWaste Apr 2017 #21
No, I added Elizabeth Warren's name at your suggestion...and have called her office as well as Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #16
You talk much about how this is unfair to Senator Sanders...I am equally angry Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #31
I appreciate your additions. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #48
I was quoting the article, but more than willing to add her name in an update Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #12
Was glad to see that Rilgin Apr 2017 #22
I object to any Democratic leaders supporting Perriello... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #23
Frankly I am a little confused by the split in this race Rilgin Apr 2017 #26
Perriello is very anti-choice. He only repented when he wanted to run for office. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #28
I am aware of that... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #42
One bus to rule them all Rilgin Apr 2017 #45
We are under the bus with this pernicious notion that Reproductive rights Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #46
The problem is projection Rilgin Apr 2017 #51
Had Hillary been against gay marriage it would have been a deal breaker in the primary...she had Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #53
Responded to Myself instead of you (see other response to myself) NT Rilgin Apr 2017 #58
Here is an article on Perrielo's evolution Rilgin Apr 2017 #57
I have answered myself... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #60
You do know that you brought LBGQ Rights into discussion? Not Me. Rilgin Apr 2017 #61
I asked you what rights are we giving up next...which is why I brought LGBTQ Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #62
You can attibute the words to the Times Article and call it a characterisation using quotes NT Rilgin Apr 2017 #63
I updated my OP...you are right. Thanks for the suggestion. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #13
Bad! Bad! Bad! Raster Apr 2017 #24
We in Virginia know Perriello and no thanks. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #2
He seems like an opportunist to me...I have family in Northern VA, Roanoke and Charlottesville. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #14
I live in Roanoke. An opportunist is a perfect way to describe Perriello. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #17
My cousin in Roanoke says he should not have run...and worries he will cost us the seat. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #19
I've lived in VA for over 31 years now. Northam's got my vote. williesgirl Apr 2017 #50
I agree and so does my family. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #55
*eyes glaze over* romanic Apr 2017 #52
Have a drink on me...I have some new gin...I am now glutent intolerant according to my doc. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #54
perriello is an opportunist with ambition. drray23 Apr 2017 #56
Thanks...I have family in Virginia still that says the same thing...really miss the state... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #59
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