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sarah FAILIN

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24. no.

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 11:34 AM

Jun 2017

This will probably be removed for "refighting the primary', but THAT is the divide. Bernie supporters don't like the duper delegate deal that dems have had for years and years. Hilary supporters are tired of hearing from an independent how we stole the dem primary.
My position is in my sig. If you want to ride in my boat, get in and start rowing. Don't stand on the dock complaining to me how it is sinking while you shoot holes in it. It is a row boat, not a pontoon so don't complain or expect me to put a motor on it

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Does everyone agree that this is the real split in the Dem party? And at DU? [View all] LAS14 Jun 2017 OP

I am a Clinton supporter and I am not... hrmjustin Jun 2017 #1

Yeah, I missed that memo, too, so I do NOT agree. procon Jun 2017 #59

The OP did not express an opinion. It asked a question. LAS14 Jun 2017 #136

Same here workinclasszero Jun 2017 #69

That's weird, isn't it? HRC had an ambitious plan to overhaul the status quo... Hekate Jun 2017 #80

+1,000 NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #91

It never ends, does it? NurseJackie Jun 2017 #95

No, it doesn't. I am progressive, and was a fervent Clinton supporter in both 2008 and 2016. LisaM Jun 2017 #117

VERY weird, inded DFW Jun 2017 #109

Agree with you +100 skylucy Jun 2017 #129

Her problem was not what she said this time around Egnever Jun 2017 #133

That's simply false. That is uninformed nonsense. yardwork Jun 2017 #137

Which part Egnever Jun 2017 #153

I suppose your view is centered about issues that matter to you. apcalc Jun 2017 #176

Here's some data from May 2015 lapucelle Jun 2017 #169

Well its an article.. Egnever Jun 2017 #170

While On the Issues.org lapucelle Jun 2017 #175

And she did it without telling anyone that their needs had to be shelved until someone else's were Squinch Jun 2017 #148

+1! betsuni Jun 2017 #171

Agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 #118

+ 1 apcalc Jun 2017 #180

+1 apcalc Jun 2017 #182

Well. ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #2

It was not 90% of black women loyalsister Jun 2017 #28

You are right ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #37

That's reasonable loyalsister Jun 2017 #49

I think we should go there ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #55

I agree loyalsister Jun 2017 #66

"How to restore positive expectations of public servants" is the crux of the matter ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #72

+1 KTM Jun 2017 #70

Of course it was "no accident the black voter turnout was down." Rolls were vigorously purged... Hekate Jun 2017 #87

Nailed it. (Are you as tired of this shit as I am?) NurseJackie Jun 2017 #97

Exhausted, actually Hekate Jun 2017 #106

Chalking it up to only factors that validate our candidate loyalsister Jun 2017 #113

I'll go with provable facts, which my post has in abundance. Hekate Jun 2017 #115

Stick with confirmation bias loyalsister Jun 2017 #124

Keep on keepin' on Hekate Jun 2017 #126

no - n/t lapfog_1 Jun 2017 #3

A good conversation to have.. disillusioned73 Jun 2017 #4

Prolly not zipplewrath Jun 2017 #16

Yes, there is a split -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2017 #5

What the hell is the "From School" wing? NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #93

Thats Al From - Founder and former CEO of the DLC KTM Jun 2017 #123

There is no Republican wing of the Democratic party and Clinton was elected when it was Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #185

I dont need to get over anything KTM Jun 2017 #187

Yeah, you answered it ...very revealing answer too. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #191

Yeah, it tells you I can use Google. KTM Jun 2017 #193

I would remind you that United is the law of the land...so money is essential... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #192

Lol nope. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #6

I just want a democratic president! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #7

+ 1 In_The_Wind Jun 2017 #10

If you could have either a Democratic congress or a Democratic president delisen Jun 2017 #46

I think a democratic congress would be more effective than just the president. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #47

I think I agree. delisen Jun 2017 #77

Really because I want a damn Democratic Congress...one man can't do it all. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #186

Yep, given the choice, a democratic congress is more important and successful. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2017 #189

We need it all...but if I had to choose I would choose Congress... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #190

No, but I see a lot of effort to promulgate that talking point to significant effect. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #8

I think this is one of the most brain-dead statements I have read in awhile. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #9

That statement is indeed pure, divisive propaganda. LonePirate Jun 2017 #17

Using a Romney voter to divide dems. Pretty impressive. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #22

Completely disagree KTM Jun 2017 #33

Brain-dead statement from a Romney supporter. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #39

Sure feels like you just called me ignorant. KTM Jun 2017 #67

Sorry about how you took it. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #74

Who cares about past support ? KTM Jun 2017 #83

"The ideas in the article are not impacted by the author's past" NCTraveler Jun 2017 #89

Maybe you could address ANY of the material argument in my post ? KTM Jun 2017 #102

I actually did. Sorry you missed it. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #154

So now I am a low information voter ? KTM Jun 2017 #157

Wasn't a shot at you. Sorry you took it personally. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #159

I have to agree JustAnotherGen Jun 2017 #90

I particularly found the comment "Clinton's various leftward feints" highly offensive. George II Jun 2017 #99

That statement is fly- covered horse manure. I'm a Hillary supporter who is far from the status quo. NBachers Jun 2017 #128

Again, thats not what was said. KTM Jun 2017 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Jun 2017 #179

I can't speak for Sanders supporters Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2017 #11

You said it better than I could have. Totally agree with your statement. redstatebluegirl Jun 2017 #20

Agreed whole heartedly Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #32

I am where you seem to be. Blue_true Jun 2017 #63

I agree...I characterize the Sanders message as unrealistic Fresh_Start Jun 2017 #174

Matthew Yglesias NCTraveler Jun 2017 #12

Close zipplewrath Jun 2017 #13

I don't agree with this assessment at all, which sounds like it came from a Bernie supporter. LonePirate Jun 2017 #14

Absolutely. The framing is rather sharply skewed in Sanders' favor Orrex Jun 2017 #84

No, I enthusiastically supported Clinton. I'm not fundamentally happy about anything in the U.S.A... hunter Jun 2017 #15

Yeah. No. Scoopster Jun 2017 #18

I would tend to agree... JoeStuckInOH Jun 2017 #19

Don't add more unfounded assumptions to this mess. procon Jun 2017 #62

I can apply MY personal opinions to anybody I so choose. JoeStuckInOH Jun 2017 #71

Good luck with that, but that wasn't how you framed your response, yeah? nt procon Jun 2017 #73

An award for ratfucking was created using the authors name. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #21

No. Starry Messenger Jun 2017 #23

no. sarah FAILIN Jun 2017 #24

Two people ran for president...a Democratic nominee was chosen...won by millions. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #25

There is a heck of a lot bigger divide between Trumpsters and Sanders/Clinton Democrats. At least, Hoyt Jun 2017 #26

Good grief Cary Jun 2017 #27

Well said, Cary mcar Jun 2017 #94

Thanks. Cary Jun 2017 #150

Very well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2017 #122

Thanks. Cary Jun 2017 #151

Do not agree. delisen Jun 2017 #29

No. I think it came down to the character and experience of the 2 candidates. n/t seaglass Jun 2017 #30

I can only speak for myself HopeAgain Jun 2017 #31

the left can only agree heaven05 Jun 2017 #34

Oversimplified, but in big terms, yes. Note that most left-wing Hortensis Jun 2017 #35

I think the large majority of DU Sanders voters are gone. David__77 Jun 2017 #36

I would say that Clinton supporters are more PRAGMATIC and more in tune with recent Dem history. nikibatts Jun 2017 #38

I Still Don't Get RobinA Jun 2017 #43

You would be surprised how many voters bought into the bots. See my post on Rachel's show about it. nikibatts Jun 2017 #184

Do not concur... Adrahil Jun 2017 #40

Agree. delisen Jun 2017 #48

Ah . . . . such a neat, binary, black and white world. Stinky The Clown Jun 2017 #41

Mine, Not So Colorful ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #125

Nope, don't agree with that at all. Foamfollower Jun 2017 #42

I'm not sure it is so much a split within the party loyalsister Jun 2017 #44

This OP is refighting the primary. yardwork Jun 2017 #45

Some sweeping assumptions there, some not necessarily correct. George II Jun 2017 #50

No. It is an illusion being created that is becoming fact. pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #51

I am Clinton Supporter and disagree strongly with the premise of the OP Gothmog Jun 2017 #52

I supported both get the red out Jun 2017 #53

There isn't a split with REAL Democrats nini Jun 2017 #54

Since the last DU hack the formatting has been turned off until they can make tblue37 Jun 2017 #56

Thanks for the info and the tips. LAS14 Jun 2017 #139

Either Clinton or Sanders were good. hadEnuf Jun 2017 #57

No, I am a Clinton supporter and your characterization of us does not describe me. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #58

FFS...The only thing everyone is likely to agree about is that the political system is corrupt... MedusaX Jun 2017 #60

+1000 Hekate Jun 2017 #104

+1 betsuni Jun 2017 #172

No one I think is happy Lithos Jun 2017 #61

NO...absoulutely not....paragraph 2....hasty generalization.....lie...nt. Stuart G Jun 2017 #64

Yes, there is a fight for the direction the Dems party will follow... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #65

"Clintons various leftward feints on policy" Wounded Bear Jun 2017 #68

I spotted that too. So blatant. So obvious. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #86

No, I don't agree BainsBane Jun 2017 #75

And they are going to fuck up 2018 like they did 2016, count on it. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #82

Thank you Bains. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #138

Lots of people have commented. I'd be interested in hearing MineralMan Jun 2017 #76

Maybe it's not going the way s/he planned Hekate Jun 2017 #107

Or, perhaps it is and there was no intention to actually join MineralMan Jun 2017 #111

It was really a question. I didn't expect it to go one way or another. LAS14 Jun 2017 #140

No. Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #78

sencond paragraph is crap Skittles Jun 2017 #79

Vote for ANY democrat next year, NO MATTER WHAT Eliot Rosewater Jun 2017 #81

Considering the dangerous mess Obama inherited in 2008 I'd say he did an admirable job. jalan48 Jun 2017 #85

"corruption of politics" is not merely abstract Martin Eden Jun 2017 #88

"Leftward feints?" mcar Jun 2017 #92

Yes. I think people are misinterpreting that quote. (Some intentionally) KTM Jun 2017 #103

No misinterpretation mcar Jun 2017 #131

Yet many felt that she was. KTM Jun 2017 #135

My post said only "leftward feints?" mcar Jun 2017 #141

And I refer to the body of that quote KTM Jun 2017 #160

Thanks for restating the article's point. A more nuanced reading leads to more interesting... LAS14 Jun 2017 #143

if a fundamental divide allows a trump to be president then those who have an ideology litmus test beachbum bob Jun 2017 #96

+1000 Hekate Jun 2017 #108

So you're not refighting the primary? NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #98

Excellent reply. Excellent analysis. NurseJackie Jun 2017 #152

No. The premis is that the Democrats are lockstep in ideology. haele Jun 2017 #100

Well put, Haele Hekate Jun 2017 #112

on point as usual JHan Jun 2017 #121

I think if you look at the number of long term DU posters from 2 years ago that are no longer hughee99 Jun 2017 #101

I guess you win the loaded question of the day award. LisaM Jun 2017 #105

I probably should have said "Do you" instead of "Does everyone?" nt LAS14 Jun 2017 #144

I think I win the overreaction award, too - since this was from an article. LisaM Jun 2017 #145

Me too. :-) LAS14 Jun 2017 #161

I think Clinton supporters focus less on happiness than Sanders supporters. BzaDem Jun 2017 #110

This is a great post. I agree. And I think THIS might be the real difference. Squinch Jun 2017 #149

Nope GulfCoast66 Jun 2017 #114

My split is with the entire Republican Congress and Trumpl lunatica Jun 2017 #116

Nope. For one thing, that is a gross mischaracterization of Clinton supporters. kcr Jun 2017 #119

Yep +++ JHan Jun 2017 #120

There is always going to be divisions in any party-whether we allow it to break the party is up bresue Jun 2017 #127

We need to focus on 2018 and 2020 left-of-center2012 Jun 2017 #130

The Split Is In How the DNC & DCCC Ccarmona Jun 2017 #132

we are all progressives. We all have a voice...you vote and that is it. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #155

I don't accept the premise of this article. murielm99 Jun 2017 #134

I am sick of people telling Clinton supporters what they think and feel. Justice Jun 2017 #142

I agree. She was the candidate and if you didn't vote for her than you are a Trumper... Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #156

No. sheshe2 Jun 2017 #146

Not even close. Squinch Jun 2017 #147

Oh yes, that is why people of color overwhelmingly voted for Hillary, because they still_one Jun 2017 #162

"Clintons leftward feints". Uh no. There were no feints. Dayum! boston bean Jun 2017 #163

Come on BB.... KTM Jun 2017 #164

Yep, more silly revisionist history of the Clinton's in general and stevenleser Jun 2017 #166

Imaginary feinting spells... lapucelle Jun 2017 #168

The Sanders program will win elections .. ananda Jun 2017 #165

Only in the bluest of districts. But we can win those without him. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #167

Yeah, that worked out great in Georgia last night Trumpocalypse Jun 2017 #177

No it won't. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #188

So it's optimists vs pessismists according to the article. betsuni Jun 2017 #173

No split where I live - we all want to defeat the gop SharonClark Jun 2017 #178

'Clinton supporters were fundamentally happy with the United States of America' bigtree Jun 2017 #181

+1 apcalc Jun 2017 #183