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Tom Rinaldo

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20. It includes relevent facts and poses a fair question

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 02:16 PM

Jul 2017

I think it is a least as worthy as these, which also posit views on where Democrats go wrong:

"In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by attacking the Dem party from the left?"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9288347

I've, and most of us who have been here for quite sometime realize one thing........"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9279201

"To some, acting to push Democrats at ALL when we are under a fucking COUP is highjacking democracy"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9285657

and others that obsess over the Greens

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Did Hillary Clinton lose because she was forced too far to the Left? [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 OP

K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #1

She lost because Russians hacked and stole our election NightWatcher Jul 2017 #2

I agree she would have won without that Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #3

undoubtedly; russia and the EC. clearly, more human beings preferred hillary. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #68

Bingo! We know why she lost. No need for endless analysis about why. brush Jul 2017 #78

I put a lot more blame on the illegitimate activities of our own FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #97

Absolutely! FarPoint Jul 2017 #128

This article is a waste of time. n/t murielm99 Jul 2017 #4

Oh is it now? /nt tonedevil Jul 2017 #8

Yup. It's a subtle "refighting the primaries". The ONLY thing we should use this past BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #9

I approve of the unity position our last platform embraced. I praise Hillary for supporting it Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #32

I approve the unity position of our last platform as long as the D-Party base is not disenfranchised BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #35

I'm willing to make a good faith effort not to let a najor disagreement like that happen Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #38

What, if anything, in the unity platform disenfranchised any part of the Democratic base? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #82

Never made that claim. Odd, though, that you brought it up. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #93

It sounded like you were making the claim. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #94

I didn't. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #96

It includes relevent facts and poses a fair question Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #20

She lost because of Russia. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #5

No. Her position on the political spectrum was perfectly fine. LonePirate Jul 2017 #6

No! Lunabell Jul 2017 #7

the election was stolen by Russia. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #10

It was stolen by our own FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #100

Comey was the tipping point world wide wally Jul 2017 #11

Agreed. I hate hearing Democrats defend him just because he is an enemy of Trump's. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #98

No, it was the child pornography ring in the pizza parlor basement... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #12

What's the fight? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #29

No...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #30

It was Colonel Mustard at the Altoona town hall with a Diebold. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #86

Nobody voted for or against her because of the Platform... brooklynite Jul 2017 #13

I tend to agree. So do you think her campaign itself was too progressive for the electorate? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #28

BINGO!!! kcdoug1 Jul 2017 #108

No! LeftInTX Jul 2017 #14

Definitely, not too far to the left womanofthehills Jul 2017 #124

She suffered vote losses more as a result of uneducated, scared white male voters... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #15

I don't believe so Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #16

Yeah, I feel the same. And no matter what a Democrat stands for the Right will call it "Liberal" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #24

I don't see any particular problems with our platform as is Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #45

I agree. Chemisse Jul 2017 #77

NO! MagickMuffin Jul 2017 #17

First of all, she didn't lose. Not the popular vote, anyway. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #18

Yup. I noted the popular vote. We've been up agais that electoral college for a long time n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #21

But what we haven't been up to till the last few years pnwmom Jul 2017 #70

I absolutely agree with you. Republican voter suppression efforts have ramped up consideraby Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #73

+1 pnwmom Jul 2017 #74

No. n/t tazkcmo Jul 2017 #19

No. She vastly under-estimated the depth Americans would venture to vote for a pig. kentuck Jul 2017 #22

Yeah. So did I n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #36

I thought we weren't going to rehash this anymore... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #23

I am asking about our platform. Some have argued that Democrats are being pushd too left... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #25

She won. The election was stolen lunamagica Jul 2017 #26

She lost for three main reasons. Xolodno Jul 2017 #27

Agreed. And on #1, she never handled these questions well elias7 Jul 2017 #56

Her political position had little to do with it... AntiFascist Jul 2017 #31

OK that's a fair point to make - whether or not I fully agree Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #34

Personally I feel that truly regulated capitalism and socialism could co-exist... AntiFascist Jul 2017 #40

It seems there is incresing support among younger generations for your view Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #42

+1 (Thank you.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #37

No! brutus smith Jul 2017 #33

No, she lost because of her stupid fucking email server mythology Jul 2017 #39

Without an email server the FBI still would have found a different bogus reason to investigate her. StevieM Jul 2017 #101

No. nt YoungDemCA Jul 2017 #41

No loyalsister Jul 2017 #43

I think she'd have lost far worse against a career politician Kentonio Jul 2017 #117

No. H2O Man Jul 2017 #44

Certainly lost a few votes because of leanings, but those should have balanced out. jmg257 Jul 2017 #46

No. NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #47

She ran a campaign on getting women, James Comey's letter cause them to vote for the abuser MiddleClass Jul 2017 #48

Most likely it made no difference. DanTex Jul 2017 #49

Your last paragragh espcially was dead on. America would be so much better off had she won Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #55

This may be true Gothmog Jul 2017 #50

It was appearance issues zipplewrath Jul 2017 #51

A thoughtful observation, one I hadn't really considered, Thanks Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #52

Ok what ever her platform was the average public just assumed rainy Jul 2017 #53

Thank you Tom MuseRider Jul 2017 #54

There were many factors but her negatives were historically high. CentralMass Jul 2017 #57

She lost because she wasn't nationally competitive Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #58

I believe so. Remember, the winner was way on the right. George II Jul 2017 #59

But he pretended to outflank her on the left on some issues Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #75

To be honest I never saw much of that, all I saw was insults and pandering to violent supporters. George II Jul 2017 #76

yup JI7 Jul 2017 #83

I truly think the platform was not the issue. davsand Jul 2017 #60

She lost because most of her ads were about Trump LSFL Jul 2017 #61

She won by millions of votes. Sunlei Jul 2017 #62

Hillary lost because she ran for president in 2016, PERIOD. mtnsnake Jul 2017 #63

Clinton was not pushed to the left. Her policies are her own. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #64

The platform was drafted by both campaigns, and it does no harm to admit that. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #87

"Admitting" party was not too far left? Please, you play your games. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #92

No, she lost because the election was stolen in three swing states by the Repugs and Russian helpers diane in sf Jul 2017 #65

No. Thanks for asking. rock Jul 2017 #66

Trump won the rust belt states by moving to the left of Hillary Seasider Jul 2017 #67

There are dozens of factors, but the main was that she did not follow Reagan/Bush's lead. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #69

If HRC had "healed" the rift in the Democratic Party and in PufPuf23 Jul 2017 #125

The election was so close that there are likely many possible causes that each could be blamed karynnj Jul 2017 #71

I doubt it. Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #72

No she had the misfortune Motownman78 Jul 2017 #79

Spot on LeftInTX Jul 2017 #129

Lordy-lordy-lordy, just the words "Hillary" PLUS "lose" pisses me off, NOT F'ing TRUE!1 UTUSN Jul 2017 #80

One other aspect not being addressed MichMan Jul 2017 #81

50% of the reason for the loss was the voter suppresion/Comey/Russian factor Ken Burch Jul 2017 #84

In the real world, this platform would not work Gothmog Jul 2017 #89

I prefer to give Hillary credit for standing behind her words Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #90

How could her positions even get attention? The media never covered them. Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #85

The only time I saw Clinton and Trump's positions clearly spelled out right next to each other betsuni Jul 2017 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #91

No, she lost because of a quarter-century of "HITLERYHITLERYHITLERY!!!!" hatrack Jul 2017 #95

I disagree. I think the fake email scandal was dominant. Her poll numbers were great when she StevieM Jul 2017 #102

well, 'far left' in the election often shared messaging with the right bigtree Jul 2017 #99

She lost because of James Comey and the FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #103

Tell me again about how you aren't still obsessing about Hillary vs. Bernie. Squinch Jul 2017 #104

I'm reacting to stuff like this from prominent national Democrats So will we stand by our platfrom? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #110

We. don't. have. time. for. this. Our. Democracy. is. imploding. Squinch Jul 2017 #115

So what exactly are you doing? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #118

I'm doing plenty, none of which I am going to use to justify myself to you. However, perhaps I Squinch Jul 2017 #130

Could be. Check out '68 & '72 election and why we lost. Humphrey lost because of the riots by so demosincebirth Jul 2017 #105

Is this a serious post? pecosbob Jul 2017 #106

*NOPE*. She lost because the Russians and the kGOPee rigged it, and you know it. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #107

Yes I do. Or because of voter suppression for another clear cause Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #112

Oh *HELL* yes. Voter suppression was the largess of it LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #122

The election was stolen. Remember? WhiteTara Jul 2017 #109

No. Republicans prefer to vote for real Republicans not Democrats veering right for a few votes. Vinca Jul 2017 #111

Have you seen this? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #113

That was the crazy Mark Penn piece from yesterday. From what I've seen on a number of sites, Vinca Jul 2017 #114

Of those 200,000 suppressed votes NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #116

Ten to twenty percent is way too low Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #119

The overall number of registered voters NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #120

New voters tend to be young voters Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #121

Thank you, Tom, for injecting some rationality. alarimer Jul 2017 #123

NO. They wanted someone on the side of the average person. FiveGoodMen Jul 2017 #126

Yes, Hillary did go too far left. mr_liberal Jul 2017 #127