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zipplewrath

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51. It was appearance issues

Wed Jul 5, 2017, 04:36 PM

Jul 2017

The only effect that her positions on issues represented in the platform had were to make her appear to be shifting left because of pressure from Bernie. That perception was probably over done. I suspect there were slight shifts, but nothing particularly notable. The impact was because Bernie got out ahead of her and she appeared to be driven by him. That turns into an appearance of "saying anything to get elected". She just wasn't prepared to have to take positions on many issues like college tuition and minimum wage as soon as Bernie was forcing the issue. And the whole TPP thing I think caught her an her team off guard. She was in a corner on that one and needed to get in front of it quicker. It was the same problem she ultimately had with the whole "Iraq vote" the first time around.

By the time she was taking positions on many of these issues, the effect wasn't about the position, it was about the timing.

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Did Hillary Clinton lose because she was forced too far to the Left? [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 OP

K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2017 #1

She lost because Russians hacked and stole our election NightWatcher Jul 2017 #2

I agree she would have won without that Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #3

undoubtedly; russia and the EC. clearly, more human beings preferred hillary. nt TheFrenchRazor Jul 2017 #68

Bingo! We know why she lost. No need for endless analysis about why. brush Jul 2017 #78

I put a lot more blame on the illegitimate activities of our own FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #97

Absolutely! FarPoint Jul 2017 #128

This article is a waste of time. n/t murielm99 Jul 2017 #4

Oh is it now? /nt tonedevil Jul 2017 #8

Yup. It's a subtle "refighting the primaries". The ONLY thing we should use this past BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #9

I approve of the unity position our last platform embraced. I praise Hillary for supporting it Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #32

I approve the unity position of our last platform as long as the D-Party base is not disenfranchised BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #35

I'm willing to make a good faith effort not to let a najor disagreement like that happen Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #38

What, if anything, in the unity platform disenfranchised any part of the Democratic base? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #82

Never made that claim. Odd, though, that you brought it up. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #93

It sounded like you were making the claim. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #94

I didn't. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2017 #96

It includes relevent facts and poses a fair question Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #20

She lost because of Russia. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #5

No. Her position on the political spectrum was perfectly fine. LonePirate Jul 2017 #6

No! Lunabell Jul 2017 #7

the election was stolen by Russia. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #10

It was stolen by our own FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #100

Comey was the tipping point world wide wally Jul 2017 #11

Agreed. I hate hearing Democrats defend him just because he is an enemy of Trump's. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #98

No, it was the child pornography ring in the pizza parlor basement... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #12

What's the fight? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #29

No...nt Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #30

It was Colonel Mustard at the Altoona town hall with a Diebold. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #86

Nobody voted for or against her because of the Platform... brooklynite Jul 2017 #13

I tend to agree. So do you think her campaign itself was too progressive for the electorate? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #28

BINGO!!! kcdoug1 Jul 2017 #108

No! LeftInTX Jul 2017 #14

Definitely, not too far to the left womanofthehills Jul 2017 #124

She suffered vote losses more as a result of uneducated, scared white male voters... HopeAgain Jul 2017 #15

I don't believe so Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #16

Yeah, I feel the same. And no matter what a Democrat stands for the Right will call it "Liberal" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #24

I don't see any particular problems with our platform as is Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2017 #45

I agree. Chemisse Jul 2017 #77

NO! MagickMuffin Jul 2017 #17

First of all, she didn't lose. Not the popular vote, anyway. Binkie The Clown Jul 2017 #18

Yup. I noted the popular vote. We've been up agais that electoral college for a long time n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #21

But what we haven't been up to till the last few years pnwmom Jul 2017 #70

I absolutely agree with you. Republican voter suppression efforts have ramped up consideraby Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #73

+1 pnwmom Jul 2017 #74

No. n/t tazkcmo Jul 2017 #19

No. She vastly under-estimated the depth Americans would venture to vote for a pig. kentuck Jul 2017 #22

Yeah. So did I n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #36

I thought we weren't going to rehash this anymore... LakeArenal Jul 2017 #23

I am asking about our platform. Some have argued that Democrats are being pushd too left... Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #25

She won. The election was stolen lunamagica Jul 2017 #26

She lost for three main reasons. Xolodno Jul 2017 #27

Agreed. And on #1, she never handled these questions well elias7 Jul 2017 #56

Her political position had little to do with it... AntiFascist Jul 2017 #31

OK that's a fair point to make - whether or not I fully agree Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #34

Personally I feel that truly regulated capitalism and socialism could co-exist... AntiFascist Jul 2017 #40

It seems there is incresing support among younger generations for your view Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #42

+1 (Thank you.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #37

No! brutus smith Jul 2017 #33

No, she lost because of her stupid fucking email server mythology Jul 2017 #39

Without an email server the FBI still would have found a different bogus reason to investigate her. StevieM Jul 2017 #101

No. nt YoungDemCA Jul 2017 #41

No loyalsister Jul 2017 #43

I think she'd have lost far worse against a career politician Kentonio Jul 2017 #117

No. H2O Man Jul 2017 #44

Certainly lost a few votes because of leanings, but those should have balanced out. jmg257 Jul 2017 #46

No. NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #47

She ran a campaign on getting women, James Comey's letter cause them to vote for the abuser MiddleClass Jul 2017 #48

Most likely it made no difference. DanTex Jul 2017 #49

Your last paragragh espcially was dead on. America would be so much better off had she won Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #55

This may be true Gothmog Jul 2017 #50

It was appearance issues zipplewrath Jul 2017 #51

A thoughtful observation, one I hadn't really considered, Thanks Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #52

Ok what ever her platform was the average public just assumed rainy Jul 2017 #53

Thank you Tom MuseRider Jul 2017 #54

There were many factors but her negatives were historically high. CentralMass Jul 2017 #57

She lost because she wasn't nationally competitive Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2017 #58

I believe so. Remember, the winner was way on the right. George II Jul 2017 #59

But he pretended to outflank her on the left on some issues Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #75

To be honest I never saw much of that, all I saw was insults and pandering to violent supporters. George II Jul 2017 #76

yup JI7 Jul 2017 #83

I truly think the platform was not the issue. davsand Jul 2017 #60

She lost because most of her ads were about Trump LSFL Jul 2017 #61

She won by millions of votes. Sunlei Jul 2017 #62

Hillary lost because she ran for president in 2016, PERIOD. mtnsnake Jul 2017 #63

Clinton was not pushed to the left. Her policies are her own. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #64

The platform was drafted by both campaigns, and it does no harm to admit that. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #87

"Admitting" party was not too far left? Please, you play your games. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #92

No, she lost because the election was stolen in three swing states by the Repugs and Russian helpers diane in sf Jul 2017 #65

No. Thanks for asking. rock Jul 2017 #66

Trump won the rust belt states by moving to the left of Hillary Seasider Jul 2017 #67

There are dozens of factors, but the main was that she did not follow Reagan/Bush's lead. TheBlackAdder Jul 2017 #69

If HRC had "healed" the rift in the Democratic Party and in PufPuf23 Jul 2017 #125

The election was so close that there are likely many possible causes that each could be blamed karynnj Jul 2017 #71

I doubt it. Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #72

No she had the misfortune Motownman78 Jul 2017 #79

Spot on LeftInTX Jul 2017 #129

Lordy-lordy-lordy, just the words "Hillary" PLUS "lose" pisses me off, NOT F'ing TRUE!1 UTUSN Jul 2017 #80

One other aspect not being addressed MichMan Jul 2017 #81

50% of the reason for the loss was the voter suppresion/Comey/Russian factor Ken Burch Jul 2017 #84

In the real world, this platform would not work Gothmog Jul 2017 #89

I prefer to give Hillary credit for standing behind her words Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #90

How could her positions even get attention? The media never covered them. Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #85

The only time I saw Clinton and Trump's positions clearly spelled out right next to each other betsuni Jul 2017 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #91

No, she lost because of a quarter-century of "HITLERYHITLERYHITLERY!!!!" hatrack Jul 2017 #95

I disagree. I think the fake email scandal was dominant. Her poll numbers were great when she StevieM Jul 2017 #102

well, 'far left' in the election often shared messaging with the right bigtree Jul 2017 #99

She lost because of James Comey and the FBI. (eom) StevieM Jul 2017 #103

Tell me again about how you aren't still obsessing about Hillary vs. Bernie. Squinch Jul 2017 #104

I'm reacting to stuff like this from prominent national Democrats So will we stand by our platfrom? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #110

We. don't. have. time. for. this. Our. Democracy. is. imploding. Squinch Jul 2017 #115

So what exactly are you doing? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #118

I'm doing plenty, none of which I am going to use to justify myself to you. However, perhaps I Squinch Jul 2017 #130

Could be. Check out '68 & '72 election and why we lost. Humphrey lost because of the riots by so demosincebirth Jul 2017 #105

Is this a serious post? pecosbob Jul 2017 #106

*NOPE*. She lost because the Russians and the kGOPee rigged it, and you know it. nt LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #107

Yes I do. Or because of voter suppression for another clear cause Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #112

Oh *HELL* yes. Voter suppression was the largess of it LaydeeBug Jul 2017 #122

The election was stolen. Remember? WhiteTara Jul 2017 #109

No. Republicans prefer to vote for real Republicans not Democrats veering right for a few votes. Vinca Jul 2017 #111

Have you seen this? Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #113

That was the crazy Mark Penn piece from yesterday. From what I've seen on a number of sites, Vinca Jul 2017 #114

Of those 200,000 suppressed votes NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #116

Ten to twenty percent is way too low Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #119

The overall number of registered voters NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #120

New voters tend to be young voters Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #121

Thank you, Tom, for injecting some rationality. alarimer Jul 2017 #123

NO. They wanted someone on the side of the average person. FiveGoodMen Jul 2017 #126

Yes, Hillary did go too far left. mr_liberal Jul 2017 #127