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H2O Man

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Thu Jul 6, 2017, 08:02 PM Jul 2017

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I recently attended a training for grass roots organizing with the Democratic Party chairpersons of towns from four counties. The presenters were a state university professor and a retired high school teacher, both of whom have been activists within the party since their involvement in the 1972 Nixon vs McGovern election. Group members included activists who had participated in the 1968 presidential election, to those who have come of age in time to vote for Obama in 2008.

It was nice that I was invited, despite being the only person there who was not a chairperson. I always appreciate the opportunity to learn new things. Thus, during the day-long program, which involved a lot of group participation, I only spoke once. And although I didn't learn any new methods or tactics, it allowed me the chance to listen closely to other people's opinions.

The most interesting topic involved the on-going divide between some sub-groups within the Democratic Party. Most of those who spoke about this considered it to be rooted in the tensions that came to the surface in 2016. Being old, I know that in each presidential election that we have lost since 1968, there were similar divides; more, each one we've won has been when most party members put differences behind them, and unite in common cause.

In 1968, Nixon won a close election over VP Hubert Humphrey. Now, Humphrey had not entered a single primary. There had been a serious division between the Eugene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy camps up until June. Those entrenched divisions, plus resentment towards Humphrey, allowed Nixon to win. Curiously, exit polls showed that a significant number of people who supported RFK in the primaries ended up voting for George Wallace; this disproves the theory that RFK's support was limited to yound adults and minorities.

In 1972, in large part due to the series of felonies known collectively as “Watergate,” Nixon defeated George McGovern. In this instance, the majority of the Democratic Party's “establishment” not only failed to support their nominee, they actually voted for Nixon.

In 1980, there were deep divisions, even within the party's establishment. The result was Reagan beat President Carter. In 1984, Reagan defeated Carter's former VP, Walter Mondale, in what amounted to a re-match.

On July 4, 1988, I was in the Boston park when Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis met with Jesse Jackson. In many ways, the two represented the same sub-groups that the two candidates in the 2016 primary had. Dukakis failed to bridge the divide; Bush the Elder became the last republican to win a first term with majorities in both the popular vote and electoral college.

In 2000, the USSC selected Bush the Dunce after Al Gore had won a close election. Mythology holds that “Nader voters” elected Bush. The accurate history can be found in Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.'s “Journals: 1952 – 2000” (Penguin; 2007). Gore's VP selection had disgusted too many of the establishment people, who thought that Bush couldn't do much harm in four years.

In the elections that the Democratic Party won, Carter, Clinton, and Obama were able to united enough sub-groups within the party (and get the support of numerous non-party voters) to win the popular vote and, more importantly, the electoral college.

If we limit our thinking to 2016 to the present, we risk getting a subjective view. One must step outside of the picture frame to view it properly, Rubin used to tell me. I suspect that if we look at 1968 to present, we can see a clear pattern. United, we win; divided, we lose. That's clearer than the face in the tree from the old “Weekly Readers” we read in school.

Now, this isn't only important in presidential elections. All of us at the meeting were residents of upstate New York. Though we are generally outnumbered by both republicans and independent voters, it's true that this is a safe state in presidential elections. It is, for us, more important in the context of how we can compete in local and state elections. That is how we build the foundation.

We do not have the luxury of holding tight to petty grudges. We need to work on building our foundation for 2018. That means working on coalition-building within the various sub-groups that make up the party. No single group – or individual -- is greater than the whole. Alone, w3e are like individual fingers that our enemy can easily break; united, we form a powerful fist capable of protecting all of our interests.

Peace,
H2O Man
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United we will--divided we lose. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2017 #1
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2017 #4
I think your last paragraph and a number of your references are spot on. NCTraveler Jul 2017 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2017 #5
Strongly disagree The Mouth Jul 2017 #44
Let's Work Together panader0 Jul 2017 #3
Very good! H2O Man Jul 2017 #6
"United We Stand" has to be the Dem motto and yelled out loud and clear and incessantly! BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #7
Well said! H2O Man Jul 2017 #8
I'm with you both on this RainCaster Jul 2017 #10
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2017 #11
Great post. And I guess I am a true Beatles fan - saw your OP title and thought immediately of NRaleighLiberal Jul 2017 #9
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2017 #12
Well said, sir. Too bad that there are many who don't get the message. GoneOffShore Jul 2017 #13
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2017 #14
K&R. nt tblue37 Jul 2017 #15
Thank you, tblue37! H2O Man Jul 2017 #16
I agree we need to be united lunatica Jul 2017 #17
Thank you for this. H2O Man Jul 2017 #21
My feeling is that it will be us who vote for Progressive leaning people such as Bryce lunatica Jul 2017 #28
Jerry Brown H2O Man Jul 2017 #29
K&R... spanone Jul 2017 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2017 #22
Very well written and to the point! burrowowl Jul 2017 #19
Principles. H2O Man Jul 2017 #23
Very good Post...during the two elections in he 80's we lost badly...Mondale and Dukakis... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #20
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2017 #24
Some grudges will never go away. Foamfollower Jul 2017 #25
True. H2O Man Jul 2017 #26
For some, all that is left is bitterness Foamfollower Jul 2017 #27
It's a choice. H2O Man Jul 2017 #30
Most who vote for Trump were BITTER Foamfollower Jul 2017 #32
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2017 #33
Why do you say that? G_j Jul 2017 #35
You are right. H2O Man Jul 2017 #40
But grown-ups PUT them away to get shit done. Iggo Jul 2017 #31
It's a process. H2O Man Jul 2017 #34
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If it were not H2O Man Jul 2017 #37
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Muskie was angry H2O Man Jul 2017 #39
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Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2017 #42
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