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147. it's not "inelegant"

Thu Aug 3, 2017, 01:21 PM

Aug 2017

obvious from the read of campaign 2016, 90% of BS primary voters DID NOT vote or did not vote for HRC because they were so pissed off....their man did not carry the day

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Joy Reid: why are black potential candidates getting singled out for attacks by Bernie people? [View all] pnwmom Aug 2017 OP

Black Twitter has taken notice. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #1

That separating line between the far left and far right is practically indistinguishable nowadays. LonePirate Aug 2017 #2

Yep! Zoonart Aug 2017 #13

Hey! I know that poem! missingthebigdog Aug 2017 #236

Frankly, I believe elements of the far right.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #22

I have long believed that many Bernie supporters were actually alt-right psyops accounts. apnu Aug 2017 #41

I still can't even mention Hillary to some of my Bernie-supporting friends and family. LisaM Aug 2017 #56

For all too many of those people the rigging consisted of the fact black people had the temerity dsc Aug 2017 #101

Especially in the south. n/t LisaM Aug 2017 #134

Ugh. I feel your pain. apnu Aug 2017 #141

I have the same experience. These are real people, not online. yardwork Aug 2017 #146

I think there was a huge separtion between Bernie supporters and the Ninsianna Aug 2017 #132

I'm one of those Bernie people who voted for Hillary in the G.E. apnu Aug 2017 #150

They are deliberately being targeted, just like the Right are. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #173

EXACTLY, Adrahil. That's EXACTLY what I believe... The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #100

They tried so hard during the 2016 election IronLionZion Aug 2017 #152

Same agenda, that is why. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #32

I love Joy Reid but her stats seem way off about Sanders supporters SharonClark Aug 2017 #3

it's inelegantly worded, as it could mean either 90% voted for Clinton or 90% refused fishwax Aug 2017 #29

I think the first explanation is probably accurate G_j Aug 2017 #114

it's not "inelegant" heaven05 Aug 2017 #147

There have been a couple of anti-Kamala Harris OPs here lately. brush Aug 2017 #99

No, I thnk she has her stats about right. leftofcool Aug 2017 #167

Here's the first tweet that is linked to for some more context. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #4

Thanks, SaschaHM! n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #6

I am going to listen to the voices of black people on this one. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #7

As a black Dem, this current never-Kamala/Booker/Patrick trend... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #10

I noticed this from the people I follow ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #11

yeap, Sanders needs to speak up on this uponit7771 Aug 2017 #72

Don't hold your breath GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #177

It's a bad look, but don't put too much weight on it RandomAccess Aug 2017 #238

They're also venomous toward Joy on Twitter.... using the same language bettyellen Aug 2017 #48

Yes. Skidmore Aug 2017 #207

At debate watching parties I was surprised to learn how many normally outspoken Dems were just weary bettyellen Aug 2017 #211

Much my experience too. Skidmore Aug 2017 #214

A very liberal friend of mine still parrots Greenwald and RT bullshit... bettyellen Aug 2017 #218

it's almost like the Chapo brocialists have an issue with black women nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #224

Exactly, and thank you. LisaM Aug 2017 #49

More like a few vocal "Sanders" supporters the media loves giving airtime/ink to Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #5

+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #9

Oh, that old canard again frazzled Aug 2017 #14

+1 apcalc Aug 2017 #34

Agreed. These folks are using Sanders name to create divisions and he should disavow it. There's a bettyellen Aug 2017 #52

Good luck with that. LisaM Aug 2017 #58

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #60

yea.. it's more than a 'few' nini Aug 2017 #65

Plus gazillion, is that a number? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #70

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #74

+1000! mcar Aug 2017 #80

What you said wryter2000 Aug 2017 #104

"Unless the leader (who is specifically invoked in that article posted above).... George II Aug 2017 #159

Wish I could rec a reply! KitSileya Aug 2017 #215

THIS! THIS! THIS! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Aug 2017 #69

More divide and conquer. Greybnk48 Aug 2017 #8

Ryan Cooper's article was what she was responding to. With good reason. pnwmom Aug 2017 #12

I dont understand KTM Aug 2017 #17

I read the article and I don't understand why you don't see the problem. pnwmom Aug 2017 #25

But they do have another thing in common KTM Aug 2017 #31

The candidates themselves are NOT centrists. And there are plenty of other pnwmom Aug 2017 #40

I am only going on this article KTM Aug 2017 #51

I agree. There is also, at the same time, the tendency to basically ignore KPN Aug 2017 #259

And media. MSNBC the messiah. George Eliot Aug 2017 #285

Cooper's article links to a right-leaning tabloid lapucelle Aug 2017 #93

Shoot the messenger then ? KTM Aug 2017 #136

I'm questioning the credibility of Cooper's message lapucelle Aug 2017 #153

Ok.... KTM Aug 2017 #162

It seems you are saying we should accept all right-wing sources like Breitbart, Fox News, Moonie emulatorloo Aug 2017 #170

And Cooper begins his article lapucelle Aug 2017 #190

Not in the slightest. KTM Aug 2017 #241

Indeed LovesPNW Aug 2017 #276

I think you've already established that you're unable to see certain things. lapucelle Aug 2017 #193

Again, we have a different perspective KTM Aug 2017 #242

I appreciate your effort at objectivity. You said it well. George Eliot Aug 2017 #249

You said "I dont understand why you dont see the problem" Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #35

+1,000 ciaobaby Aug 2017 #131

Well said. KPN Aug 2017 #258

Maybe you shouldn't ignore it. Find out what she's responding to. There have been... brush Aug 2017 #106

What Bothers Me Most... PoorMonger Aug 2017 #15

these aren't "Bernie people" so much as they are flamethrowing assholes geek tragedy Aug 2017 #16

I hope not ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #19

The problem is that Bernie doesn't speak out about it nearly enough. Adrahil Aug 2017 #24

meh, Bernie is ranking member of the Budget Committee and has his hands full geek tragedy Aug 2017 #26

Yeah, but he historically hasn't spoken up very well on this issue. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #38

I haven't always been a big fan of his (no secret, that) but when his team did criticize geek tragedy Aug 2017 #42

Ok--we will agree to disagree then. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #66

this is the same crowd that went after Barack Obama in 2006-2008 geek tragedy Aug 2017 #83

It's going to backfire, which is my actual point ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #103

Naw, he can walk and chew gum at the same time. Obama spoke out against Dr Wright while running for uponit7771 Aug 2017 #78

Obama spoke out against Wright precisely because he was running for prez geek tragedy Aug 2017 #229

You're right. They are Bernie "detractors", as they detract from Bernie's message. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #82

eh, or they can just get run over when the attention turns to 2020. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #87

Dunno, a few folks in this thread getting super-defensive or pretending Reid fabricated it. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #102

I don't know...and I'm deeply troubled by it Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #18

Well reasoned post. brush Aug 2017 #115

Get 'em, Joy Reid. (nt) Paladin Aug 2017 #20

Same reason that shit on Hillary- bigots. we can do it Aug 2017 #21

There are plenty of "left wing" racists. hunter Aug 2017 #23

Racism is insidious. On the left, it often shadows an individual's ideas about meritocracy... haele Aug 2017 #157

This is an excellent post. hunter Aug 2017 #220

Simply put. Else You Are Mad Aug 2017 #27

I really wish these racist "leftists" wouldn't have attached their wagon to Sanders. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #28

It's not necess. a black thing apcalc Aug 2017 #30

Joy (conveniently) forgets that -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #33

The same Nina Turner who supported Sanders and nearly signed on as VP on the Green Party ticket? LonePirate Aug 2017 #44

Yes, that Nina -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #86

That would be the one. leftofcool Aug 2017 #169

no, how about policies and advocacy? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #268

A lot of the Turner fans would be equally thrilled with Jill Stein. No thanks. pnwmom Aug 2017 #50

A very popular President here -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #90

President Obama had been a United States Senator, an Illinois Senator, pnwmom Aug 2017 #109

She's well aware that these people claim to support fringe candidates without any chance of being bettyellen Aug 2017 #57

Nina Turner. LexVegas Aug 2017 #61

Some folks act like the bus wouldn't be rolled on top of her if she challenged Bernie. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #95

I know lunamagica Aug 2017 #158

Oh my! She's quite a character, isnt she? (Did she endorse Stein, or am I thinking of someone else?) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #195

Cornell West too ? Thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2017 #79

I love Brother Cornell. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #92

OK... the guy who called Obama niggerized is loathed by black politico and loved by Bernie Bro .... uponit7771 Aug 2017 #96

Yep. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #130

LOL! "Democrats not Welcomed" Nina Turner? That Nina Turner? Squinch Aug 2017 #81

Nice characterization of what she says. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #94

Yes. The Nina Turner who has no chance of becoming POTUS lunamagica Aug 2017 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Aug 2017 #121

Would they really, though? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #175

Well said. AngryAmish Aug 2017 #36

Yet, Rep. John Delaney the only Democrat to announce a presidential run for 2020. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #37

Hmmm.... what a mystery that is. You'd almost think the answer was plain as day. LonePirate Aug 2017 #47

That seems presumptuous KTM Aug 2017 #91

The fact that he's white means he's not viewed as a contender or a threat by the Bernie wing. LonePirate Aug 2017 #151

I'm glad Joy Reid is shining a light on this. Also, regarding that 90% figure she quotes... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #39

Sounds about right. And 8% of AA voted for Trump. progressoid Aug 2017 #105

It's not always easy to understand what motivates otherwise intelligent people. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #154

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #181

LOL! Such a thing would be impossible. (And why does this matter?) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #184

the obfuscations are amusing aren't they JHan Aug 2017 #196

And I believe she was out on the campaign trail with him a few days after the convention. George II Aug 2017 #203

Obama ran for President in 2008. George II Aug 2017 #188

So his stat is 100% correct JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #230

OMG! How did I miss that??!! THAT'S HYSTERICAL!! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #243

Why, indeed. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #43

Love Joy, but that first tweet is just so wrong. lark Aug 2017 #45

It's poorly written, but I think she meant the more probably 90% voted for Clinton. n/t tammywammy Aug 2017 #54

That makes better sense, but that is not what she said. lark Aug 2017 #67

Joy is saying the opposite. She's saying 90% of Bernie supporters DID vote for Hillary, pnwmom Aug 2017 #59

I agree LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #71

I love AMJOY Gothmog Aug 2017 #46

Could this be a Russian driven wedge? SHRED Aug 2017 #53

Yes but in MHO the Russians have enablers, this would be a perfect Russian wedge issue but I don't uponit7771 Aug 2017 #84

Yes, but the trick is figuring out where the point is. Seems like it's the ones Squinch Aug 2017 #88

Hyperbole much? progressoid Aug 2017 #55

Get real. It's not just this one article and you know it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #63

OK, then why only link to this one article by this one guy? progressoid Aug 2017 #85

It isn't "one guy". it is a trend. Visit wayofthebern @ Reddit for example. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #76

It's not a trend. progressoid Aug 2017 #118

Sanders primary "person" here. These Bernie detractors exist and are loud as fuck. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #135

Me too. progressoid Aug 2017 #149

" I'm just tired of the lumping everyone into one group." amen to that emulatorloo Aug 2017 #182

A fair amount of denigrating good Dems who supported Sanders. George Eliot Aug 2017 #262

Love Joy. And she is spot on. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2017 #64

I think we've come to realize that the 2008 PUMA's, 2016 busters, and 2020 Harris-Booker haters are Renew Deal Aug 2017 #68

SMH Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #73

Minority people and women who've managed to reached the highest ranks of politics pnwmom Aug 2017 #111

yes Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #129

Unless you want to have a party that is all white male, then you don't kneecap women and minority pnwmom Aug 2017 #145

I see Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #194

The "Never Kamala" crowd are not on our side, and never have been. They're our political enemies geek tragedy Aug 2017 #116

Must have read a different article than you did Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #139

the author singled out the only three possible black candidates, and then geek tragedy Aug 2017 #176

Who are the white possible candidates? Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #197

"being groomed?" geek tragedy Aug 2017 #204

"Being groomed" suggests the belief in smoke-filled backroom deals where an heir-apparent... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #206

Then forgive me, Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #228

O.F.F.S. Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #210

It's 2017, not 2020. People attacking potential candidates three years out are not doing geek tragedy Aug 2017 #212

Why is Kamala Harris singled out for this criticism, when Steven Mnuchin pnwmom Aug 2017 #185

As the article reads Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #205

The article is false then. Chuck Schumer is in the Senate. So are others Mnuchin has given to. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #223

I apologize, let me correct Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #227

You'd really have to hate her to think she would make pnwmom Aug 2017 #232

maybe Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #234

As long as people are are asserting lapucelle Aug 2017 #226

Coincidence, pure coincidence mcar Aug 2017 #75

90% of Sanders voters refused to vote for Clinton? Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #77

She means 90% of Sanders supporters voted FOR Clinton. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #89

Ahh Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #98

Those same Bernie people ejbr Aug 2017 #97

Oh you mean Nina Turner, who is aching to endorse Republicans, Greens, and Libertarians? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #107

She believes in policy above party ejbr Aug 2017 #137

Please share the Republican and Libertarian policy you and Ms. Turner find so captivating! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #142

Well ejbr Aug 2017 #148

Rand Paul? Ah, ok. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #163

Anyhoo, ejbr Aug 2017 #178

Uhm there's a Dem whose positions on criminal justice reform are identical JHan Aug 2017 #201

And yet ejbr Aug 2017 #231

Those were not "ridiculous reasons"... JHan Aug 2017 #235

I read Ryan Cooper's piece the other day Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #108

I think he's even more tone deaf than that... lapucelle Aug 2017 #253

Joy Reid is way off base with these KPN Aug 2017 #110

You keep misreading her tweet. She says that 90% of Bernie supporters voted FOR Hillary. pnwmom Aug 2017 #112

At this point, assume that they're just pointing at a grammatically confusing sentence... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #117

Fox News tactic. Willfully misinterpret an out of context quote. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #126

No it's not clear melman Aug 2017 #264

Keep misreading? I only read it once. But you are right, KPN Aug 2017 #261

Dude, stop with the willful misinterpretation. Joy is talking about the 10% that DIDNT vote for emulatorloo Aug 2017 #120

It's easier to nitpick at grammar than to address the substance. nt. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #123

I wouldn't call it nitpicking grammar G_j Aug 2017 #138

The sentence is very poorly worded HuskyOffset Aug 2017 #140

Yes, I did misinterpret her statement -- which was very poorly worded but my bad. KPN Aug 2017 #255

I noticed that as well. Several msnbc personalities displayed a sort of contempt for sanders. George Eliot Aug 2017 #248

Yep. That's the way I saw it. Maybe one exception -- but the rest were KPN Aug 2017 #256

Those tweets were very informative, forward looking and timely. R B Garr Aug 2017 #257

Well, I respectively disagree on that. KPN Aug 2017 #260

Oh boy, oh Joy! Good job Ms. Reid. George II Aug 2017 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Aug 2017 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Aug 2017 #186

Really? melman Aug 2017 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Aug 2017 #122

I might be GaryCnf Aug 2017 #125

Ouch! A toast to Joy Hekate Aug 2017 #128

That's a very bad optic workinclasszero Aug 2017 #133

Bernie People? Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #143

This Sanders supporter .. ananda Aug 2017 #144

Absolutely Amen! Jane Austin Aug 2017 #191

Why read tweets about the article when you . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #155

We all love Joy Reid! ..... until she says something about bernie and/or his supporters Lil Missy Aug 2017 #156

The left has a big problem with sexism. It is time to confront it. nycbos Aug 2017 #160

F this S UT_democrat Aug 2017 #164

Well done, Joy! lunamagica Aug 2017 #165

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #166

Classic Joy Reid promoting a division between Bernie supporters v supporters ofMainstream Democrats. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #168

... LexVegas Aug 2017 #171

Don't cry Lex. It will be OK. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #180

She's being honest and truthful. Why would anyone object to that? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #189

I'm sure you do. Her audience loves her when she puts down Bernie supporters or Bernie. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #192

That sounds a lot like the "some of my best friends" fallacy. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #200

Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #209

Agreed. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #199

I think that some people are unaware that many of us can think for ourselves, and... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #202

No doubt. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #233

Nothing Classic About It Me. Aug 2017 #198

Yes. I remember. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #208

In Fact I Thought For A While Me. Aug 2017 #213

I remember the CONTRAST between the two women. Joy Reid's calm and thoughtful demeanor -VS-... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #216

Watching Nina Was Indeed A Chore Me. Aug 2017 #217

The ones promoting the division are those who attack Kamala, Booker, and Edwards pnwmom Aug 2017 #225

Yes, too much divisiveness and I avoid her because she feeds it. George Eliot Aug 2017 #263

She pointed out that it is Kamala being sabotaged. R B Garr Aug 2017 #275

"By Bernie People"--more divisiveness. Why Bernie people? George Eliot Aug 2017 #284

Are you sure moondust Aug 2017 #172

Did you just say "reverse racism" un-ironically? KitSileya Aug 2017 #219

I'm sure it's all just an innocent coincidence. lapucelle Aug 2017 #254

Now that she mentions it, that's a great question. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #174

Because DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #179

Seems very disgustingly tactical to me GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #187

Bernie people are still holding out hope that he'll run again in 2020. They have to cut Kamala, Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #222

I like Joy Reid and respect her opinions Progressive dog Aug 2017 #237

shazam! ucrdem Aug 2017 #239

I proudly stand with Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Deval Patrick. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #240

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Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #244

Good to know policies and positions are off the table. killbotfactory Aug 2017 #245

What are you saying? That the black progressives Kamala, Booker, and Patrick pnwmom Aug 2017 #246

Blacks and women, consistently. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #247

She is obviously wrong on several counts jimlup Aug 2017 #250

She meant the opposite. 90% DID vote for Clinton, as she knows from her own reporting. pnwmom Aug 2017 #251

You keep saying that melman Aug 2017 #265

She has reported that the vast majority of Bernie voters voted for Hillary in the general. So has pnwmom Aug 2017 #266

K&R Gothmog Aug 2017 #252

What the fuck is she talking about? Does she have any evidence that black candidates are being JCanete Aug 2017 #267

Except the three mentioned in the article? YCHDT Aug 2017 #269

yes, the one article is now a trend that she sees. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #270

She's not the only one who sees that trend. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #274

Are they all basing that trend on the same article? That's not called a trend. JCanete Aug 2017 #283

MSNBC group think. Look at the interests of the extablishment. Perez over Ellison. George Eliot Aug 2017 #287

90%?? If true, that is seriously fucked up. No wonder there is so much antipathy towards Sanders kerry-is-my-prez Aug 2017 #272

She is saying that 90% of Bernie supporters ended up voting for Hillary. That's clear pnwmom Aug 2017 #273

Joy Reid talking out her ass once again LittleBlue Aug 2017 #277

The 90% IS real. At least 90% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general. pnwmom Aug 2017 #278

That must be what she meant LittleBlue Aug 2017 #280

Do you know where that story about her supporting property seizure without trial comes from? pnwmom Aug 2017 #281

It came from the Monterey Herald LittleBlue Aug 2017 #282

Because almost all the attacks are from Russian botnets DBoon Aug 2017 #279

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