General Discussion

jimlup

(8,009 posts)

250. She is obviously wrong on several counts

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 07:10 AM

Aug 2017

90% of the Bernie voters did not "refuse to vote for Clinton." I have only anecdotal evidence but I'm sure this is wrong.

In my family, of 7 Bernie voters, 6 voted for Clinton enthusiastically in November (I am one of the 6.)

Further, I have trouble with her calling this out. She provides no evidence that it is even happening and then proceeds to call it out. Seems to me it is picking the scab of the 2016 election. Just say'n

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

287 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Joy Reid: why are black potential candidates getting singled out for attacks by Bernie people? [View all] pnwmom Aug 2017 OP

Black Twitter has taken notice. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #1

That separating line between the far left and far right is practically indistinguishable nowadays. LonePirate Aug 2017 #2

Yep! Zoonart Aug 2017 #13

Hey! I know that poem! missingthebigdog Aug 2017 #236

Frankly, I believe elements of the far right.... Adrahil Aug 2017 #22

I have long believed that many Bernie supporters were actually alt-right psyops accounts. apnu Aug 2017 #41

I still can't even mention Hillary to some of my Bernie-supporting friends and family. LisaM Aug 2017 #56

For all too many of those people the rigging consisted of the fact black people had the temerity dsc Aug 2017 #101

Especially in the south. n/t LisaM Aug 2017 #134

Ugh. I feel your pain. apnu Aug 2017 #141

I have the same experience. These are real people, not online. yardwork Aug 2017 #146

I think there was a huge separtion between Bernie supporters and the Ninsianna Aug 2017 #132

I'm one of those Bernie people who voted for Hillary in the G.E. apnu Aug 2017 #150

They are deliberately being targeted, just like the Right are. Ninsianna Aug 2017 #173

EXACTLY, Adrahil. That's EXACTLY what I believe... The_REAL_Ecumenist Aug 2017 #100

They tried so hard during the 2016 election IronLionZion Aug 2017 #152

Same agenda, that is why. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #32

I love Joy Reid but her stats seem way off about Sanders supporters SharonClark Aug 2017 #3

it's inelegantly worded, as it could mean either 90% voted for Clinton or 90% refused fishwax Aug 2017 #29

I think the first explanation is probably accurate G_j Aug 2017 #114

it's not "inelegant" heaven05 Aug 2017 #147

There have been a couple of anti-Kamala Harris OPs here lately. brush Aug 2017 #99

No, I thnk she has her stats about right. leftofcool Aug 2017 #167

Here's the first tweet that is linked to for some more context. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #4

Thanks, SaschaHM! n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #6

I am going to listen to the voices of black people on this one. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #7

As a black Dem, this current never-Kamala/Booker/Patrick trend... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #10

I noticed this from the people I follow ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #11

yeap, Sanders needs to speak up on this uponit7771 Aug 2017 #72

Don't hold your breath GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #177

It's a bad look, but don't put too much weight on it RandomAccess Aug 2017 #238

They're also venomous toward Joy on Twitter.... using the same language bettyellen Aug 2017 #48

Yes. Skidmore Aug 2017 #207

At debate watching parties I was surprised to learn how many normally outspoken Dems were just weary bettyellen Aug 2017 #211

Much my experience too. Skidmore Aug 2017 #214

A very liberal friend of mine still parrots Greenwald and RT bullshit... bettyellen Aug 2017 #218

it's almost like the Chapo brocialists have an issue with black women nt geek tragedy Aug 2017 #224

Exactly, and thank you. LisaM Aug 2017 #49

More like a few vocal "Sanders" supporters the media loves giving airtime/ink to Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #5

+1 leftstreet Aug 2017 #9

Oh, that old canard again frazzled Aug 2017 #14

+1 apcalc Aug 2017 #34

Agreed. These folks are using Sanders name to create divisions and he should disavow it. There's a bettyellen Aug 2017 #52

Good luck with that. LisaM Aug 2017 #58

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JHan Aug 2017 #60

yea.. it's more than a 'few' nini Aug 2017 #65

Plus gazillion, is that a number? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #70

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2017 #74

+1000! mcar Aug 2017 #80

What you said wryter2000 Aug 2017 #104

"Unless the leader (who is specifically invoked in that article posted above).... George II Aug 2017 #159

Wish I could rec a reply! KitSileya Aug 2017 #215

THIS! THIS! THIS! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Aug 2017 #69

More divide and conquer. Greybnk48 Aug 2017 #8

Ryan Cooper's article was what she was responding to. With good reason. pnwmom Aug 2017 #12

I dont understand KTM Aug 2017 #17

I read the article and I don't understand why you don't see the problem. pnwmom Aug 2017 #25

But they do have another thing in common KTM Aug 2017 #31

The candidates themselves are NOT centrists. And there are plenty of other pnwmom Aug 2017 #40

I am only going on this article KTM Aug 2017 #51

I agree. There is also, at the same time, the tendency to basically ignore KPN Aug 2017 #259

And media. MSNBC the messiah. George Eliot Aug 2017 #285

Cooper's article links to a right-leaning tabloid lapucelle Aug 2017 #93

Shoot the messenger then ? KTM Aug 2017 #136

I'm questioning the credibility of Cooper's message lapucelle Aug 2017 #153

Ok.... KTM Aug 2017 #162

It seems you are saying we should accept all right-wing sources like Breitbart, Fox News, Moonie emulatorloo Aug 2017 #170

And Cooper begins his article lapucelle Aug 2017 #190

Not in the slightest. KTM Aug 2017 #241

Indeed LovesPNW Aug 2017 #276

I think you've already established that you're unable to see certain things. lapucelle Aug 2017 #193

Again, we have a different perspective KTM Aug 2017 #242

I appreciate your effort at objectivity. You said it well. George Eliot Aug 2017 #249

You said "I dont understand why you dont see the problem" Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #35

+1,000 ciaobaby Aug 2017 #131

Well said. KPN Aug 2017 #258

Maybe you shouldn't ignore it. Find out what she's responding to. There have been... brush Aug 2017 #106

What Bothers Me Most... PoorMonger Aug 2017 #15

these aren't "Bernie people" so much as they are flamethrowing assholes geek tragedy Aug 2017 #16

I hope not ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #19

The problem is that Bernie doesn't speak out about it nearly enough. Adrahil Aug 2017 #24

meh, Bernie is ranking member of the Budget Committee and has his hands full geek tragedy Aug 2017 #26

Yeah, but he historically hasn't spoken up very well on this issue. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #38

I haven't always been a big fan of his (no secret, that) but when his team did criticize geek tragedy Aug 2017 #42

Ok--we will agree to disagree then. ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #66

this is the same crowd that went after Barack Obama in 2006-2008 geek tragedy Aug 2017 #83

It's going to backfire, which is my actual point ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #103

Naw, he can walk and chew gum at the same time. Obama spoke out against Dr Wright while running for uponit7771 Aug 2017 #78

Obama spoke out against Wright precisely because he was running for prez geek tragedy Aug 2017 #229

You're right. They are Bernie "detractors", as they detract from Bernie's message. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #82

eh, or they can just get run over when the attention turns to 2020. geek tragedy Aug 2017 #87

Dunno, a few folks in this thread getting super-defensive or pretending Reid fabricated it. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #102

I don't know...and I'm deeply troubled by it Docreed2003 Aug 2017 #18

Well reasoned post. brush Aug 2017 #115

Get 'em, Joy Reid. (nt) Paladin Aug 2017 #20

Same reason that shit on Hillary- bigots. we can do it Aug 2017 #21

There are plenty of "left wing" racists. hunter Aug 2017 #23

Racism is insidious. On the left, it often shadows an individual's ideas about meritocracy... haele Aug 2017 #157

This is an excellent post. hunter Aug 2017 #220

Simply put. Else You Are Mad Aug 2017 #27

I really wish these racist "leftists" wouldn't have attached their wagon to Sanders. Weekend Warrior Aug 2017 #28

It's not necess. a black thing apcalc Aug 2017 #30

Joy (conveniently) forgets that -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #33

The same Nina Turner who supported Sanders and nearly signed on as VP on the Green Party ticket? LonePirate Aug 2017 #44

Yes, that Nina -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #86

That would be the one. leftofcool Aug 2017 #169

no, how about policies and advocacy? nt JCanete Aug 2017 #268

A lot of the Turner fans would be equally thrilled with Jill Stein. No thanks. pnwmom Aug 2017 #50

A very popular President here -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #90

President Obama had been a United States Senator, an Illinois Senator, pnwmom Aug 2017 #109

She's well aware that these people claim to support fringe candidates without any chance of being bettyellen Aug 2017 #57

Nina Turner. LexVegas Aug 2017 #61

Some folks act like the bus wouldn't be rolled on top of her if she challenged Bernie. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #95

I know lunamagica Aug 2017 #158

Oh my! She's quite a character, isnt she? (Did she endorse Stein, or am I thinking of someone else?) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #195

Cornell West too ? Thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2017 #79

I love Brother Cornell. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #92

OK... the guy who called Obama niggerized is loathed by black politico and loved by Bernie Bro .... uponit7771 Aug 2017 #96

Yep. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #130

LOL! "Democrats not Welcomed" Nina Turner? That Nina Turner? Squinch Aug 2017 #81

Nice characterization of what she says. Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2017 #94

Yes. The Nina Turner who has no chance of becoming POTUS lunamagica Aug 2017 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Aug 2017 #121

Would they really, though? Ninsianna Aug 2017 #175

Well said. AngryAmish Aug 2017 #36

Yet, Rep. John Delaney the only Democrat to announce a presidential run for 2020. rogue emissary Aug 2017 #37

Hmmm.... what a mystery that is. You'd almost think the answer was plain as day. LonePirate Aug 2017 #47

That seems presumptuous KTM Aug 2017 #91

The fact that he's white means he's not viewed as a contender or a threat by the Bernie wing. LonePirate Aug 2017 #151

I'm glad Joy Reid is shining a light on this. Also, regarding that 90% figure she quotes... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #39

Sounds about right. And 8% of AA voted for Trump. progressoid Aug 2017 #105

It's not always easy to understand what motivates otherwise intelligent people. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #154

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #181

LOL! Such a thing would be impossible. (And why does this matter?) NurseJackie Aug 2017 #184

the obfuscations are amusing aren't they JHan Aug 2017 #196

And I believe she was out on the campaign trail with him a few days after the convention. George II Aug 2017 #203

Obama ran for President in 2008. George II Aug 2017 #188

So his stat is 100% correct JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #230

OMG! How did I miss that??!! THAT'S HYSTERICAL!! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #243

Why, indeed. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #43

Love Joy, but that first tweet is just so wrong. lark Aug 2017 #45

It's poorly written, but I think she meant the more probably 90% voted for Clinton. n/t tammywammy Aug 2017 #54

That makes better sense, but that is not what she said. lark Aug 2017 #67

Joy is saying the opposite. She's saying 90% of Bernie supporters DID vote for Hillary, pnwmom Aug 2017 #59

I agree LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #71

I love AMJOY Gothmog Aug 2017 #46

Could this be a Russian driven wedge? SHRED Aug 2017 #53

Yes but in MHO the Russians have enablers, this would be a perfect Russian wedge issue but I don't uponit7771 Aug 2017 #84

Yes, but the trick is figuring out where the point is. Seems like it's the ones Squinch Aug 2017 #88

Hyperbole much? progressoid Aug 2017 #55

Get real. It's not just this one article and you know it. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #63

OK, then why only link to this one article by this one guy? progressoid Aug 2017 #85

It isn't "one guy". it is a trend. Visit wayofthebern @ Reddit for example. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #76

It's not a trend. progressoid Aug 2017 #118

Sanders primary "person" here. These Bernie detractors exist and are loud as fuck. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #135

Me too. progressoid Aug 2017 #149

" I'm just tired of the lumping everyone into one group." amen to that emulatorloo Aug 2017 #182

A fair amount of denigrating good Dems who supported Sanders. George Eliot Aug 2017 #262

Love Joy. And she is spot on. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Aug 2017 #64

I think we've come to realize that the 2008 PUMA's, 2016 busters, and 2020 Harris-Booker haters are Renew Deal Aug 2017 #68

SMH Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #73

Minority people and women who've managed to reached the highest ranks of politics pnwmom Aug 2017 #111

yes Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #129

Unless you want to have a party that is all white male, then you don't kneecap women and minority pnwmom Aug 2017 #145

I see Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #194

The "Never Kamala" crowd are not on our side, and never have been. They're our political enemies geek tragedy Aug 2017 #116

Must have read a different article than you did Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #139

the author singled out the only three possible black candidates, and then geek tragedy Aug 2017 #176

Who are the white possible candidates? Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #197

"being groomed?" geek tragedy Aug 2017 #204

"Being groomed" suggests the belief in smoke-filled backroom deals where an heir-apparent... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #206

Then forgive me, Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #228

O.F.F.S. Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #210

It's 2017, not 2020. People attacking potential candidates three years out are not doing geek tragedy Aug 2017 #212

Why is Kamala Harris singled out for this criticism, when Steven Mnuchin pnwmom Aug 2017 #185

As the article reads Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #205

The article is false then. Chuck Schumer is in the Senate. So are others Mnuchin has given to. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #223

I apologize, let me correct Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #227

You'd really have to hate her to think she would make pnwmom Aug 2017 #232

maybe Lazy Daisy Aug 2017 #234

As long as people are are asserting lapucelle Aug 2017 #226

Coincidence, pure coincidence mcar Aug 2017 #75

90% of Sanders voters refused to vote for Clinton? Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #77

She means 90% of Sanders supporters voted FOR Clinton. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #89

Ahh Tiggeroshii Aug 2017 #98

Those same Bernie people ejbr Aug 2017 #97

Oh you mean Nina Turner, who is aching to endorse Republicans, Greens, and Libertarians? emulatorloo Aug 2017 #107

She believes in policy above party ejbr Aug 2017 #137

Please share the Republican and Libertarian policy you and Ms. Turner find so captivating! emulatorloo Aug 2017 #142

Well ejbr Aug 2017 #148

Rand Paul? Ah, ok. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #163

Anyhoo, ejbr Aug 2017 #178

Uhm there's a Dem whose positions on criminal justice reform are identical JHan Aug 2017 #201

And yet ejbr Aug 2017 #231

Those were not "ridiculous reasons"... JHan Aug 2017 #235

I read Ryan Cooper's piece the other day Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2017 #108

I think he's even more tone deaf than that... lapucelle Aug 2017 #253

Joy Reid is way off base with these KPN Aug 2017 #110

You keep misreading her tweet. She says that 90% of Bernie supporters voted FOR Hillary. pnwmom Aug 2017 #112

At this point, assume that they're just pointing at a grammatically confusing sentence... SaschaHM Aug 2017 #117

Fox News tactic. Willfully misinterpret an out of context quote. emulatorloo Aug 2017 #126

No it's not clear melman Aug 2017 #264

Keep misreading? I only read it once. But you are right, KPN Aug 2017 #261

Dude, stop with the willful misinterpretation. Joy is talking about the 10% that DIDNT vote for emulatorloo Aug 2017 #120

It's easier to nitpick at grammar than to address the substance. nt. SaschaHM Aug 2017 #123

I wouldn't call it nitpicking grammar G_j Aug 2017 #138

The sentence is very poorly worded HuskyOffset Aug 2017 #140

Yes, I did misinterpret her statement -- which was very poorly worded but my bad. KPN Aug 2017 #255

I noticed that as well. Several msnbc personalities displayed a sort of contempt for sanders. George Eliot Aug 2017 #248

Yep. That's the way I saw it. Maybe one exception -- but the rest were KPN Aug 2017 #256

Those tweets were very informative, forward looking and timely. R B Garr Aug 2017 #257

Well, I respectively disagree on that. KPN Aug 2017 #260

Oh boy, oh Joy! Good job Ms. Reid. George II Aug 2017 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Aug 2017 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Aug 2017 #186

Really? melman Aug 2017 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca Aug 2017 #122

I might be GaryCnf Aug 2017 #125

Ouch! A toast to Joy Hekate Aug 2017 #128

That's a very bad optic workinclasszero Aug 2017 #133

Bernie People? Doug the Dem Aug 2017 #143

This Sanders supporter .. ananda Aug 2017 #144

Absolutely Amen! Jane Austin Aug 2017 #191

Why read tweets about the article when you . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #155

We all love Joy Reid! ..... until she says something about bernie and/or his supporters Lil Missy Aug 2017 #156

The left has a big problem with sexism. It is time to confront it. nycbos Aug 2017 #160

F this S UT_democrat Aug 2017 #164

Well done, Joy! lunamagica Aug 2017 #165

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #166

Classic Joy Reid promoting a division between Bernie supporters v supporters ofMainstream Democrats. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #168

... LexVegas Aug 2017 #171

Don't cry Lex. It will be OK. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #180

She's being honest and truthful. Why would anyone object to that? NurseJackie Aug 2017 #189

I'm sure you do. Her audience loves her when she puts down Bernie supporters or Bernie. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #192

That sounds a lot like the "some of my best friends" fallacy. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #200

Are you fucking kidding me? ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #209

Agreed. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #199

I think that some people are unaware that many of us can think for ourselves, and... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #202

No doubt. Caliman73 Aug 2017 #233

Nothing Classic About It Me. Aug 2017 #198

Yes. I remember. NurseJackie Aug 2017 #208

In Fact I Thought For A While Me. Aug 2017 #213

I remember the CONTRAST between the two women. Joy Reid's calm and thoughtful demeanor -VS-... NurseJackie Aug 2017 #216

Watching Nina Was Indeed A Chore Me. Aug 2017 #217

The ones promoting the division are those who attack Kamala, Booker, and Edwards pnwmom Aug 2017 #225

Yes, too much divisiveness and I avoid her because she feeds it. George Eliot Aug 2017 #263

She pointed out that it is Kamala being sabotaged. R B Garr Aug 2017 #275

"By Bernie People"--more divisiveness. Why Bernie people? George Eliot Aug 2017 #284

Are you sure moondust Aug 2017 #172

Did you just say "reverse racism" un-ironically? KitSileya Aug 2017 #219

I'm sure it's all just an innocent coincidence. lapucelle Aug 2017 #254

Now that she mentions it, that's a great question. GoCubsGo Aug 2017 #174

Because DonCoquixote Aug 2017 #179

Seems very disgustingly tactical to me GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #187

Bernie people are still holding out hope that he'll run again in 2020. They have to cut Kamala, Tarheel_Dem Aug 2017 #222

I like Joy Reid and respect her opinions Progressive dog Aug 2017 #237

shazam! ucrdem Aug 2017 #239

I proudly stand with Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Deval Patrick. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #240

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #271

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #244

Good to know policies and positions are off the table. killbotfactory Aug 2017 #245

What are you saying? That the black progressives Kamala, Booker, and Patrick pnwmom Aug 2017 #246

Blacks and women, consistently. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #247

She is obviously wrong on several counts jimlup Aug 2017 #250

She meant the opposite. 90% DID vote for Clinton, as she knows from her own reporting. pnwmom Aug 2017 #251

You keep saying that melman Aug 2017 #265

She has reported that the vast majority of Bernie voters voted for Hillary in the general. So has pnwmom Aug 2017 #266

K&R Gothmog Aug 2017 #252

What the fuck is she talking about? Does she have any evidence that black candidates are being JCanete Aug 2017 #267

Except the three mentioned in the article? YCHDT Aug 2017 #269

yes, the one article is now a trend that she sees. nt JCanete Aug 2017 #270

She's not the only one who sees that trend. n/t pnwmom Aug 2017 #274

Are they all basing that trend on the same article? That's not called a trend. JCanete Aug 2017 #283

MSNBC group think. Look at the interests of the extablishment. Perez over Ellison. George Eliot Aug 2017 #287

90%?? If true, that is seriously fucked up. No wonder there is so much antipathy towards Sanders kerry-is-my-prez Aug 2017 #272

She is saying that 90% of Bernie supporters ended up voting for Hillary. That's clear pnwmom Aug 2017 #273

Joy Reid talking out her ass once again LittleBlue Aug 2017 #277

The 90% IS real. At least 90% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary in the general. pnwmom Aug 2017 #278

That must be what she meant LittleBlue Aug 2017 #280

Do you know where that story about her supporting property seizure without trial comes from? pnwmom Aug 2017 #281

It came from the Monterey Herald LittleBlue Aug 2017 #282

Because almost all the attacks are from Russian botnets DBoon Aug 2017 #279

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2017 #286