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Mr. Ected

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16. I'm afraid most Americans don't understand the distinction

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 08:34 AM

Aug 2017

Between their personal beliefs and the application of those beliefs on fellow Americans not similarly disposed.

To fully comprehend would require an understanding of the Constitution and an ability to subjugate one's opinion to the freedoms afforded to all of us.

Why do so many Christians claim to be persecuted in America, when they have unfettered freedom to practice their religion? It's because there are so many who DO NOT submit to those beliefs and practices. They want to impose their will and their beliefs on everyone.

They don't get it. And THAT'S the problem.

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You can be personally opposed to abortion and fully support a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 OP

Exactly. nycbos Aug 2017 #1

Add in Mario Cuomo, a devout Roman Catholic PennyK Aug 2017 #48

I'm with you. Mister Ed Aug 2017 #2

But do you understand cyclonefence Aug 2017 #3

I don't agree Madam Mossfern Aug 2017 #7

Why do people feel compelled to announce that they, personally, oppose abortion cyclonefence Aug 2017 #9

I think that's what I said ... Madam Mossfern Aug 2017 #11

How is it helpful to the discussion cyclonefence Aug 2017 #17

Do you see what you're doing here? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #22

What she said was cyclonefence Aug 2017 #32

One can be pro-choice and personally opposed to abortion. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #35

The way that it adds to the discussion Madam Mossfern Aug 2017 #23

It's sort of like being a vegan azureblue Aug 2017 #58

Couldn't agree with you more, azure blue. luvtheGWN Aug 2017 #65

"fetal abnormalities that might make abortion a good choice". What other circumstances make abortion uppityperson Aug 2017 #72

Seriously? cyclonefence Aug 2017 #79

Yes uppityperson Aug 2017 #86

First, the OP did not qualify support for abortion RIGHTS as "under the right circumstances. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #43

Of course some women have an abortion "without tears and struggle". It is demeaning to uppityperson Aug 2017 #70

In my experience cyclonefence Aug 2017 #82

In my experience assisting with abortions and yrs in women's health uppityperson Aug 2017 #87

I really don't follow your argument Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #80

Doesn't matter when you believe life begins cyclonefence Aug 2017 #81

I was talking about your statement of all the pain in the decision Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj Aug 2017 #84

I see it as looking down on them. Mariana Aug 2017 #34

That seems like a logical formulation. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #37

Sure it's a logical formulation. Mariana Aug 2017 #45

Thanks cyclonefence Aug 2017 #38

The argument has been made that abortion is just another medical procedure. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #8

Whether abortion is just another medical procedure is not for me to decide cyclonefence Aug 2017 #15

But you did DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #20

I can not believe the arguments against your position. pangaia Aug 2017 #56

I don't believe I said that abortion was "just another medical procedure" cyclonefence Aug 2017 #78

You are putting words in the OPs mouth. Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #46

I saw the same thing and tried to make the point but badly I guess. Drahthaardogs Aug 2017 #85

I don't "know" when life begins. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #88

Everytime someone like you says that, other folks here say they are wrong about their views stevenleser Aug 2017 #21

I've been saying this for years, few people understand what it actually means. Thanks. George II Aug 2017 #4

I am pro-life thbobby Aug 2017 #5

Welcome to DU, thbobby. calimary Aug 2017 #36

You can't be pro life unless you believe a poor child should have the same opportunities ... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #39

Yep. calimary Aug 2017 #51

Exactly how I feel. ReformedGOPer Aug 2017 #47

As long as it is truly d_r Aug 2017 #6

i have a friend who took that position. barbtries Aug 2017 #10

What would DSB have done ? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #13

but what did DSB do?! barbtries Aug 2017 #31

I am so sad to hear about your child. I know it's mere words. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #52

thank you DSB barbtries Aug 2017 #57

Exactly. NO ONE'S stopping you from NOT having an abortion. calimary Aug 2017 #42

well put barbtries Aug 2017 #59

I have been in that position, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #53

So what? Really, so what? You know one person who thought she wouldn't have an abortion, pnwmom Aug 2017 #63

so what? barbtries Aug 2017 #73

And I could have sworn you were responding to the OP. nt pnwmom Aug 2017 #74

that's what i understood the discussion to be about. barbtries Aug 2017 #75

I feel the same as you CatMor Aug 2017 #12

Plus a ban on abortion is totally unworkable. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #14

Exactly CatMor Aug 2017 #24

If they throw it back to the states women of means will just travel to states where it is available DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #26

Do you think CatMor Aug 2017 #30

Welcome to DU, CatMor. calimary Aug 2017 #50

Thank you for the welcome CatMor Aug 2017 #60

I'm afraid most Americans don't understand the distinction Mr. Ected Aug 2017 #16

Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #28

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #55

True, everyone has the right to idiotic personal views. nt LexVegas Aug 2017 #18

Ahh... but there is that big BUT... TreasonousBastard Aug 2017 #19

You are against the death penalty, war, mistreatment... Mariana Aug 2017 #41

That's the point. Pro lifers often make the argument that... TreasonousBastard Aug 2017 #71

Yes. This describes my viewpoint. TrishaJ Aug 2017 #25

Oppression of Women Peace lady Aug 2017 #27

You can be personally opposed to abortion and fully support a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy J_William_Ryan Aug 2017 #29

Agree, agree, agree. Butterflylady Aug 2017 #33

The difference is power angrychair Aug 2017 #40

Re: all the "PRO-LIFE DEMOCRATS" Threads: Let's get to the heart of the matter... brooklynite Aug 2017 #44

The philosophical argument is thorny enough. I won't touch the political argument DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #54

What's the question? jamesatemple Aug 2017 #49

When you remove the judgmentalism, it sounds like the candidate actually supports women's rights. CrispyQ Aug 2017 #68

The problem is the implication that some are pro-abortion or anti-life. It's insulting and ignorant. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #61

pro choice recovering_democrat Aug 2017 #62

Politicians should say, "I support the democratic platform," CrispyQ Aug 2017 #64

Party of Perverts? dlk Aug 2017 #66

I appreciate your post. I believe you are pointing that an ethical society accepts others morals. c-rational Aug 2017 #67

And we don't get to impose to them on others. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2017 #69

pro life WinstonSmith00 Aug 2017 #76

Sure you can, if you support the complete separation of church and state Warpy Aug 2017 #77