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68. Yes, he IS right.

Reply to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 5, 2017, 06:43 PM

Aug 2017

Holding out for the perfect instead of going with the good - is how we got donald trump.

PERIOD.

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IMPORTANT.... From Howard Dean [View all] charlyvi Aug 2017 OP

Howard Dean of now makes me sad. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #1

He's right. Purism is self-satisfying. Pragmatism helps other people. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #27

Yes he's right. Dem party is a coalition. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #38

I'd agree with this. Governing is about compromise, and winning elections is about pragmatism. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #46

He may have a point. But I have a hard time taking him seriously liberalnarb Aug 2017 #50

By golly, you're right! He's not pure enough for me to listen to him, either. Midnight Writer Aug 2017 #83

I have an easy time taking him seriously DFW Aug 2017 #97

Thanks for this post. I've been a fan of his for a long time. yardwork Aug 2017 #98

Every time we get together DFW Aug 2017 #100

Most excellent post. Thank you. nt fleabiscuit Aug 2017 #127

I got to sit by him at a Dem dinner a few years ago. He Alice11111 Aug 2017 #132

+1000 jaysunb Aug 2017 #133

Yes, he IS right. calimary Aug 2017 #68

Salvor Hardin (the Foundation trilogy hero): lastlib Aug 2017 #80

But there are few purists. This is just an "enlightened" way to say STFU to critics aikoaiko Aug 2017 #101

Not STFU, not at all, not one bit of Shut the Fuck Up. No. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #105

Pragmatism is good. But this whole "progressive purists" argument is phony baloney KPN Aug 2017 #117

Now is a good time for those discussions, the "battle" you refer to. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2017 #120

Whining is not voting; Dean talked about whining aikoaiko Aug 2017 #125

In France, there is a tacit agreement, that all left center Alice11111 Aug 2017 #135

THIS KPN Aug 2017 #114

You have a point. aikoaiko Aug 2017 #126

Pragmatism is what gets us through life. If you're Kahuna7 Aug 2017 #116

He is 100pc right. We wouldn't be here had he been the DNC chair in 2016. Alice11111 Aug 2017 #131

Me too wallyworld2 Aug 2017 #39

All the Washington politicians are in the pockets of ins. and pharma. Incl. Obama. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #48

Is that why he never mentioned it again? Hulk Aug 2017 #71

Now come on. Jakes Progress Aug 2017 #88

You just made my point. The Democrats wouldn't have removed that provision, you say. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #108

I think Single Payer actually has more of a chance now delisen Aug 2017 #76

Why? Jakes Progress Aug 2017 #89

Did he actually say this? eShirl Aug 2017 #2

He said this on AMJoy this morning. nt R B Garr Aug 2017 #5

Yes, on one of the msnbc programs Skidmore Aug 2017 #6

YUP! bdtrppr6 Aug 2017 #28

Yes he's so right onecaliberal Aug 2017 #85

He also said that most of this "division" is a small, but loud, group of people progressoid Aug 2017 #75

He is right. hrmjustin Aug 2017 #3

By all means lets get back to the Democratic Party I grew up with. LiberalArkie Aug 2017 #19

WTF! hrmjustin Aug 2017 #23

Now you know that the southern Democrats then are the extreme Republicans now. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #49

Could it also be stated that the then Racist Democrats INdemo Aug 2017 #106

It started long before Obama. It started w/the Civil Rights Act. Honeycombe8 Aug 2017 #109

Oh sure.... paleotn Aug 2017 #51

bull bluestarone Aug 2017 #58

There is no Democrat advocating that Progressive dog Aug 2017 #107

He's right. I heard that this morning and totally agree. And to think R B Garr Aug 2017 #4

The "what if" game is hard to play and nobody knows what would have happened anyway marylandblue Aug 2017 #52

Elections are different from assasinations. R B Garr Aug 2017 #60

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2017 #93

If Gore had been allowed to take office DFW Aug 2017 #99

Exactly, THANK you. No Iraq invasion and no Citizens United, great points. R B Garr Aug 2017 #143

I don't know any Nader voters personally DFW Aug 2017 #144

Very understandable. It's been interesting to see Gore on TV so much with his new movie coming R B Garr Aug 2017 #145

Judy would hang Howard by his toes from a Vermont maple tree if he ran for national office again DFW Aug 2017 #146

Thanks for the insights. Howard's 50-state strategy R B Garr Aug 2017 #147

Gingrich gives you a warning signal the first time you meet him. DFW Aug 2017 #148

While he might be right, calling Dems "whiny" is akin to Hillary's "deplorables" comment. Vinca Aug 2017 #7

Democrats are not as delicate as the deplorables. Squinch Aug 2017 #8

Agreed. zentrum Aug 2017 #18

They need to be called out. They attack others in far worse ways JI7 Aug 2017 #22

Oh, I don't know. WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2017 #32

Actually I think Clinton was on to something. delisen Aug 2017 #36

She referred to the racists as deplorable. Racists are deplorable. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #41

yepper bluestarone Aug 2017 #59

any Trump voter that STILL supports him is an A grade Deplorable as far as I'm concerned LiberalLovinLug Aug 2017 #82

Agree, this is like driving a wedge right down the middle of the Dem party Quixote1818 Aug 2017 #63

So the whiny ones are hurt by this nini Aug 2017 #87

Politics: the art of the possible sandensea Aug 2017 #9

Exactly. charlyvi Aug 2017 #11

A noble but eminently unsuccessful politician once said: sandensea Aug 2017 #13

Unless your party is fully owned by donors sharedvalues Aug 2017 #45

Those donors did not want Trump marylandblue Aug 2017 #54

He co-opted the hate they cultivated! sharedvalues Aug 2017 #78

It Should Be Pointed Out Me. Aug 2017 #10

Thank you wryter2000 Aug 2017 #16

Thank you for pointing that out. MrsCoffee Aug 2017 #33

This should be higher up. Context is everything. elehhhhna Aug 2017 #130

amen DrDan Aug 2017 #12

Great - let's have Dem party stand on Single Payer! That'll be uniting. nt earthshine Aug 2017 #14

I agree that purity tests could easily make Dems a permanent minority .... CaptainTruth Aug 2017 #15

He's absolutely right NastyRiffraff Aug 2017 #17

I can think of one individual politician that I wish would read and learn. boston bean Aug 2017 #20

"I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" was a better quote from him. Gore1FL Aug 2017 #21

I think he got that from paul Wellstone JI7 Aug 2017 #25

He is right. For some it's a career/hobby. They aren't interested in actual policy JI7 Aug 2017 #24

He is obviously correct. Many have said this one way or another. None of this is rocket science. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #26

Welcome to DU, DoodAbides! calimary Aug 2017 #69

I like Dean. nt DoodAbides Aug 2017 #70

Wonder if he feels the same about the "center" purists n/t LarryNM Aug 2017 #29

I completely agree with him. lunamagica Aug 2017 #30

Post removed Post removed Aug 2017 #31

???? kentuck Aug 2017 #34

Mr. Dean is a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry DefenseLawyer Aug 2017 #42

But that still doesn't mean he's incorrect. paleotn Aug 2017 #57

You don't think the ENTIRE GOP Party wanted Trump in either do you?? aeromanKC Aug 2017 #35

Howard Dean has affirmed his support for women's delisen Aug 2017 #37

Dean is absolutely correct -- I recall his presidential bid BarbD Aug 2017 #40

Yes, yes, yes. charlyvi Aug 2017 #43

He wouldn't be talking about single payer for all if the left didn't push for it, hard. femmedem Aug 2017 #44

Memo to my fave, Dr. Dean: When one writes, one can write correct and eschew "gonna" and other WinkyDink Aug 2017 #47

It can be a fine line. On one hand you want the seat, Dustlawyer Aug 2017 #53

This isn't about "pure" or "impure." It's about competing agendas. David__77 Aug 2017 #55

So says the big pharma "unofficial" lobbyist 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2017 #56

Sure... sell your souls just to win woundedkarma Aug 2017 #61

Exactly.... paleotn Aug 2017 #62

I love Howard Dean on issues loyalsister Aug 2017 #64

He's aboslutely correct. NEDem Aug 2017 #65

K&R Scurrilous Aug 2017 #66

I agree with Howard Dean NBachers Aug 2017 #67

#1 I don't know what he is referring to. #2 I question whether this really comes from Howard Dean! TryLogic Aug 2017 #72

Purity and purity tests are One Thing concreteblue Aug 2017 #73

Purity cost us this last election. kellytore Aug 2017 #74

Flat out wrong. concreteblue Aug 2017 #91

Thank you Howard Dean riversedge Aug 2017 #77

Good for Howie! We represent Diversity AND Unity. elfin Aug 2017 #79

Agreed! llmart Aug 2017 #81

Howard Dean is exactly right. People who use their voting power to hurt others are not on our side. BzaDem Aug 2017 #84

I saw that on AM Joy... Stellar Aug 2017 #86

Thanks for posting the source of this. janx Aug 2017 #136

Exactly! Stellar Aug 2017 #139

Pragmatism. Is that what's moved us to the right of D.D.Eisenhower? George Eliot Aug 2017 #90

Yeah, but it's not about purity BainsBane Aug 2017 #92

Which is true of most people across the political spectrum aikoaiko Aug 2017 #104

I stand with Howard Dean BlueMTexpat Aug 2017 #94

+1 riversedge Aug 2017 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Aug 2017 #95

several problems tomp Aug 2017 #96

Dear Howard, Donald Trump is President BeyondGeography Aug 2017 #103

THIS TooStrong Aug 2017 #137

He did not say that. He said that it was a relatively small number of people and that the media janx Aug 2017 #140

To some extent... floWteiuQ Aug 2017 #110

We should have a President Dean HelenWheels Aug 2017 #111

Dean is right. The proof is those who are attacking him in some of these comments, Nitram Aug 2017 #112

How is that from Howard Dean? rock Aug 2017 #113

WTF? Why are you even posting this crap here? KPN Aug 2017 #115

I will post what I want to post. charlyvi Aug 2017 #118

OK then. KPN Aug 2017 #121

The majority of posts on this thread disagree with you. charlyvi Aug 2017 #122

My apologies if you took my post personally. KPN Aug 2017 #123

Where would Frederick Douglass have fit on this spectrum? In general, I agree with Dr. Dean but... NNadir Aug 2017 #119

As usual, the centrists, including Dean, have it exactly backwards . . FairWinds Aug 2017 #124

Who's whining now? LWolf Aug 2017 #128

He as not talking about women's rights : elehhhhna Aug 2017 #129

I heard Governor Dean make this statement yesterday nn MSNBC Gothmog Aug 2017 #134

....or whatever we're gonna have in health care." Plucketeer Aug 2017 #138

Dean is 100% right. Trumpocalypse Aug 2017 #141

My issue with this, is that it assumes we all want the same things Kentonio Aug 2017 #142