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In reply to the discussion: Demanding uncritical fealty to a media personality [View all]BainsBane
(57,740 posts)74. "proof of fealty to Russia"
There is a lot deeply disturbing about your post, and I wrote a long response yesterday but didn't post it.
I will try to edit it down to a couple of responses now.
I have read similar things about The Nation, and similar suggestions of a fealty to Russia.
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What I have not seen to date, about either The Nation or Thomm Hartmann, is actual proof of any such fealty.
Where do I say Hartman is loyal to Russia?
The point of this post was to respond to effort to ensure that someone purporting to convey an argument by Hartman not be fact checked. No amount of posts about how Harman is a hero or how people who citicize anything he says are "unprogressive' or unAmerican", or whatever fucking ruse is drummed up, changes the fact that the post claiming to convey Hartman's message relied on factual errors.
Ronald Reagan did not promise Gorbachev that NATO wouldn't expand in 1990 because Reagan wasn't president in 1990. And Gorbachev himself has said no such promises were made to him in those negotiations.
Editorial bias is not something that is "proved" through receipts. It is something readers with critical thinking skills can discern from the content of the publication. The Russia coverage in the Nation is obviously influenced by vanden Heuvel's marraige to Steve Cohen, who is a Putin apologist. Now obviously that doesn't concern you since you've decided the important message to convey is that there is "no proof" of Russian interference in the election.
If Hartman is in now way influenced by the fact he appears on and is paid by the propaganda arm of the Kremlin, I'm sure you can point to stories he's done critical of Putin and Russian interference in our election. Or how about something on the billions of dollars the Kremlin has funneled to Trump and his associates?
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I'm seeing weird stuff like "If you disagree w Mr X on statement Y, you clearly hate Unions!"
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#1
"Hartman's statements justifying Russian interference in elections in the West demonstrate as much."
NurseJackie
Aug 2017
#2
I have listened to Thom Hartman for about 10 years now and I always thought of him as being
world wide wally
Aug 2017
#8
Our Constitutional democracy. With all its flaws, we've never had a Presidential election
pnwmom
Aug 2017
#58
"The idea that Hartmann is some kind of double agent propagandist for Putin is absurd. "
emulatorloo
Aug 2017
#34
"The Big Picture with Thom Hartmann is filmed live and broadcast from the RT America studios
ucrdem
Aug 2017
#69
I have read similar things about The Nation, and similar suggestions of a fealty to Russia.
guillaumeb
Aug 2017
#30
First, if you insist on the allegation regarding Clinton, how can I take your
guillaumeb
Aug 2017
#82
They say that Hartmann doesn't post here anymore, but I wonder if that's true? Maybe he just.....
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2017
#53
Just because someone managed to get a show on RT does not mean they are Russian shills or pro-Trump
LiberalLovinLug
Aug 2017
#56
It means they are lending their name, and helping to validate as a news source, RT.
pnwmom
Aug 2017
#59
"Everyone" does NOT know that. Till last year, people here frequently posted things by RT,
pnwmom
Aug 2017
#61
All I saw from your link is someone expousing a reason, not an excuse, why Russia has felt betrayed
LiberalLovinLug
Aug 2017
#65
Yes! I saw Hartmann's show on YouTube - does that mean that YouTube is in bed with Russia now?
diva77
Aug 2017
#72
HE's TEEVEE star + he's rich. so he MUST be shmart! he sounds JUST LIKE RAYGUN!
pansypoo53219
Aug 2017
#79