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BainsBane

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Wed Aug 16, 2017, 05:56 PM Aug 2017

Why there is no alt-left [View all]

Trump used the term to refer to protesters against racism. There is nothing "alt" about standing up to racism. That is something decent human beings do, and the protesters in Charlottesville put their safety on the line to take a stand against White Supremacy. Heather Heyer lost her life for it, and many others were injured. There is no equivalency between that and the alt-right--who are in fact Nazis and should be referred to as such.

I find it interesting how many people around the internet are simultaneously offended by the term and eager to apply it to themselves. They didn't protest in Charlottesville and haven't tended to identify racism or the rise of fascism as points of concern. Quite the contrary.

I support the call to stop using the term alt-left, largely because it is wildly inaccurate.



Where I disagree with Giordano is in the use of the term "left." People who denounce civil rights activism as centrism and Third Way have lost all rights to call themselves the left.

Trump's comments aside, what commonly has been referred to as "alt-left" or the "dirtbag left" is not left at all. Leftist ideologies, whether oriented toward Marxism or Anarchism, center around the principle of equality, on collective responsibility. The dirtbag left revolves around power and dominance of a privileged minority, who demand Democrats "bend the knee" in submission to them. It eschews class solidarity in favor of political factionalism and demands for power. Nothing about that is leftist. In fact much of what they hold up as "leftist" demands are in fact nationalist.

So why such eagerness to assume the term "alt-left" applies to them? They haven't spent the last several months denouncing the rise of fascism. They've focused their anger toward the Democratic Party. Some make endless excuses for Donald Trump, even now insisting what we are witnessing is nothing new. "Racists are people too," they proclaim. Clinton threatened war toward North Korea too, they insist, equating Trump's bellicose remarks about North Korean were no different from Clinton's statements:
When North Korea conducted a nuclear test in September 2016, she released a statement, if not quite promising “fire and fury,” that did declare: “North Korea’s decision to conduct another nuclear test is outrageous and unacceptable. … This constitutes a direct threat to the United States, and we cannot and will never accept this.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/15/hillary-clinton-promised-wars-too/

Exactly the same, for people seeking to normalize the fascist in the White House. They malign Robert Mueller, talk about how the "deep state" is out to get Trump, all in defense of the Nazi in the White House. What about that says leftist?

They call themselves left, I think, because they were once Democrats and they've convinced themselves their contempt for the Democratic Party is because it has moved to the right, even as they go out of their way to legitimize fascism. I submit it is they, and not the party, who have moved to the right. Yet like many who use terms like left and right, I am a child of the Cold War. We, however, are in an entirely different era now, with new political actors, alliances, and issues.

French commentator Yasha Monk has talked about how left vs. right are increasingly obsolete in describing contemporary politics. Divisions, he observes, break down according to nationalism vs. liberal globalism. http://www.npr.org/2017/04/24/525441567/french-presidential-election-serves-as-test-of-liberal-democracy. The linked discussion is in the context of the French election, but is every bit as relevant to our current political standoff.

This is not to say all nationalists are racists or fascists. Of course that isn't the case. But we are increasingly seeing a muddying of left-vs. right, and that may be because those terms are no longer adequate to describe the current state of American political culture.






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Why there is no alt-left [View all] BainsBane Aug 2017 OP
All this clamor predicated on DT's lie that the anti- Nazis are not mainstream American people. bettyellen Aug 2017 #1
It is interesting to see people simultaneous offended and eager to include themselves BainsBane Aug 2017 #2
Because his mind fuck is still working. Lie #1 to me is to pretend that wasn't a wise swath of bettyellen Aug 2017 #3
Excellent point. BainsBane Aug 2017 #4
I really think he's framing it this way to crack down on protesters against him- bettyellen Aug 2017 #6
Agreed. JHan Aug 2017 #5
Sean Hannity made up this term and I am damned if I am going to use Hannity's terminology Gothmog Aug 2017 #7
Was it really Hannity? BainsBane Aug 2017 #8
What is the "alt-left" Trump was talking about? Gothmog Aug 2017 #17
So anyone who doesn't kiss his and Trump's butt BainsBane Aug 2017 #18
Yep Gothmog Aug 2017 #19
I thought Joy Reid made up this term? TSIAS Aug 2017 #10
No BainsBane Aug 2017 #15
don't you know Hillary is running a child sex ring at a pizza shop in DC? Gothmog Aug 2017 #20
and they are about to break open the Seth Rich case anyday BainsBane Aug 2017 #22
"Joy Reid...Al Giordano...Peter Daou...Neera Tanden... lapucelle Aug 2017 #29
KR Me. Aug 2017 #9
they aren't the left in any way . even going after corporations itself doens't make it left JI7 Aug 2017 #11
You wake up in my head today? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #32
Heather Heyer melman Aug 2017 #12
Perhaps you could tell us what you think whether you think nationalism BainsBane Aug 2017 #16
K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #13
I have used that term to refer to Stein voters...meaning alternative left...won't do that anymore. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #14
Good thread for discussion. Thanks Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #21
Thanks for your thoughtful response BainsBane Aug 2017 #33
Insightful. Thanks. JHan Aug 2017 #34
The Marxist ideology that is supposedly based on principle of equality, on collective responsibility Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #23
The ideology doesn't demand mass murder BainsBane Aug 2017 #24
And yet, a hundred million died. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #28
You'll have to direct me to the part of Marx BainsBane Aug 2017 #30
As always, beautifully articulate and a joy to read ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #25
Perfect! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #26
Classic positioning C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #27
Brilliant lapucelle Aug 2017 #31
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