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BainsBane

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33. Thanks for your thoughtful response
Thu Aug 17, 2017, 01:40 PM
Aug 2017

In some ways international mechanisms have freed capital from the confines of regulations at the level of the nation state. I don't think the solution to what that means for workers in countries like the US are the simplistic solutions some politicians have offered. Failing to join TPP has not solved the problems of capital flight or outsourcing. In fact, China has responded to the void by creating bilateral trade agreements with far worse terms for workers and the environment. The battle over TPP, it seems to me, was very much backward looking, an attempt to rewrite the past, which is impossible.

Just as capital is international, so is exploitation of workers and the poor. Claims about opposition to neoliberalism ring hollow to me when the focus is entirely on the economic standing of the US middle class.The US has pushed and benefited from neoliberalism for decades now. In 1973, it installed a military government in Chile that promoted neoliberalsim--and US economic interests in particular--by selling off national holdings. That practice was replicated throughout Latin American. Yet those are the years of US middle class prosperity the people hurling neoliberal as an insult say they want to return to. Their opposition is not to neoliberalsim but the decline of American empire, to the fact that globalization has gotten to the point where the American middle class no longer reaps advantages as great as in earlier decades.

I believe what we are seeing is not anything radical at all, but rather an effort by the largely white middle class to demand that government pay attention to their interests. There is nothing wrong with that. It's a perfectly reasonable position. What is off-putting to me, and I believe ultimately undermines equality, is the way those efforts are presented in absolute terms: claims of promoting equality while demonstrating hostility to the concerns of anyone but themselves, for example. If people truly value equality, it means more than assuming that their own concerns are universal. It means a willingness to listen to others and build coalitions that include the interests of those other groups. We've seen fierce resistance to doing so. Not only that, we also are seeing an undercurrent that is seeking to roll back gains in civil rights and women's rights, under the mendacious pretext that it is somehow necessary for "equality." In such discourse, equality is not in fact equality for all but the economic interests of a minority, a minority that already averages incomes well in excess of those whose rights they demand take a back seat. As a result, I've concluded that the fundamental concerns are either political power for a particular faction and/or the narrow economic interests of one group to the exclusion of the majority. In both cases, the language of leftism serves more to obfuscate and justify than communicate or forge solidarity.

It seems to me that just as capital crosses international boundaries, so should resistance to it. I believe an insular focus on nation to the exclusion of exploitation around the world and the way in which the US has benefited from its position at the core of international capitalism is neither effective or honest.


Why there is no alt-left [View all] BainsBane Aug 2017 OP
All this clamor predicated on DT's lie that the anti- Nazis are not mainstream American people. bettyellen Aug 2017 #1
It is interesting to see people simultaneous offended and eager to include themselves BainsBane Aug 2017 #2
Because his mind fuck is still working. Lie #1 to me is to pretend that wasn't a wise swath of bettyellen Aug 2017 #3
Excellent point. BainsBane Aug 2017 #4
I really think he's framing it this way to crack down on protesters against him- bettyellen Aug 2017 #6
Agreed. JHan Aug 2017 #5
Sean Hannity made up this term and I am damned if I am going to use Hannity's terminology Gothmog Aug 2017 #7
Was it really Hannity? BainsBane Aug 2017 #8
What is the "alt-left" Trump was talking about? Gothmog Aug 2017 #17
So anyone who doesn't kiss his and Trump's butt BainsBane Aug 2017 #18
Yep Gothmog Aug 2017 #19
I thought Joy Reid made up this term? TSIAS Aug 2017 #10
No BainsBane Aug 2017 #15
don't you know Hillary is running a child sex ring at a pizza shop in DC? Gothmog Aug 2017 #20
and they are about to break open the Seth Rich case anyday BainsBane Aug 2017 #22
"Joy Reid...Al Giordano...Peter Daou...Neera Tanden... lapucelle Aug 2017 #29
KR Me. Aug 2017 #9
they aren't the left in any way . even going after corporations itself doens't make it left JI7 Aug 2017 #11
You wake up in my head today? Eliot Rosewater Aug 2017 #32
Heather Heyer melman Aug 2017 #12
Perhaps you could tell us what you think whether you think nationalism BainsBane Aug 2017 #16
K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2017 #13
I have used that term to refer to Stein voters...meaning alternative left...won't do that anymore. Demsrule86 Aug 2017 #14
Good thread for discussion. Thanks Tom Rinaldo Aug 2017 #21
Thanks for your thoughtful response BainsBane Aug 2017 #33
Insightful. Thanks. JHan Aug 2017 #34
The Marxist ideology that is supposedly based on principle of equality, on collective responsibility Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #23
The ideology doesn't demand mass murder BainsBane Aug 2017 #24
And yet, a hundred million died. Expecting Rain Aug 2017 #28
You'll have to direct me to the part of Marx BainsBane Aug 2017 #30
As always, beautifully articulate and a joy to read ismnotwasm Aug 2017 #25
Perfect! NurseJackie Aug 2017 #26
Classic positioning C_U_L8R Aug 2017 #27
Brilliant lapucelle Aug 2017 #31
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