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29. Hillary spoke her mind, stood true to her beliefs, and earned the votes of several million

Mon Sep 4, 2017, 03:15 AM

Sep 2017

more voters than Bernie, and almost 3 million more than DT.

She did NOT lose because she wasn't a "strong articulate progressive candidate who will focus on diplomacy (while maintaining a strong defense.)
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She lost because of voter suppression eliminating millions of votes, including votes in key states; because of James Comey's two letter bombs; and because of Russian meddling, including voter roll tampering.

It won't matter how wonderful our next nominee is if we don't solve the problem of voter suppression and Russian election meddling.

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progressive values and democratic party politics [View all] clu Sep 2017 OP

Just sitting back, waiting... regnaD kciN Sep 2017 #1

Yeah. It's the safest option on this one. eom Control-Z Sep 2017 #2

Yep, this should be good. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #4

Lol...it's begun. George Eliot Sep 2017 #11

*dons flame retardant suit* beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #13

I was a Dean supporter BainsBane Sep 2017 #3

plus 1000 n/t radical noodle Sep 2017 #5

Would be nice to have someone there clu Sep 2017 #6

What? BainsBane Sep 2017 #8

I'm claiming their policy wasn't strong enough to warrant midterm support clu Sep 2017 #10

Do you know what congress is? BainsBane Sep 2017 #15

I see what you are sayinf clu Sep 2017 #17

What is negated? BainsBane Sep 2017 #21

Yep clu Sep 2017 #23

Be careful with gaming conservatives sharedvalues Sep 2017 #45

respectfully clu Sep 2017 #48

Fair. I'm talking about the Breitbart-brainwashed sharedvalues Sep 2017 #74

BainsBane isn't a "dude". George II Sep 2017 #51

Woohoo! This reply deserves a standing "O". Thank you for not suffering fools. brush Sep 2017 #57

Ted Kennedy's death changed EVERYTHING. Obama, unlike those who slam him, faced reality. pnwmom Sep 2017 #36

You would have preferred sticking with the public option and not having the ACA at all? George II Sep 2017 #52

there was a lot going on after obama inauguration clu Sep 2017 #53

More to the point clu Sep 2017 #7

Because hardly anyone agrees with them BainsBane Sep 2017 #9

Ah I see clu Sep 2017 #12

I always thought Dean was brought down by a lousy sound system. Vinca Sep 2017 #43

That doesn't explain why Dean did so poorly in Iowa oberliner Sep 2017 #50

i didn't follow politics closely enough at that time clu Sep 2017 #54

Dean was way ahead in Iowa for months leading up the caucus oberliner Sep 2017 #58

mrrraahh clu Sep 2017 #59

This was before the "Dean Scream" oberliner Sep 2017 #61

No. Govt broken due to GOP. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #44

how do we fight propaganda clu Sep 2017 #49

Middle-of-the-roaders? Are you serious? brush Sep 2017 #60

Grassroots: we need to talk to neighbors sharedvalues Sep 2017 #73

Post of the day! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #69

They really distorted that clip BainsBane Sep 2017 #80

Energy policy and the gulf clu Sep 2017 #14

How about weaning America completely off fossil fuels? BainsBane Sep 2017 #16

Legislating electric cars? clu Sep 2017 #18

One law? You think that's all it takes? BainsBane Sep 2017 #19

This is the same platform clu Sep 2017 #20

You didn't read it at all BainsBane Sep 2017 #22

I didn't read it at all clu Sep 2017 #24

Why don't you provide a link to the part of the debate BainsBane Sep 2017 #25

Find it yet? BainsBane Sep 2017 #26

i just watched the majority of both debates thinking i'd have to find it clu Sep 2017 #27

Your claim BainsBane Sep 2017 #33

i heard her response during the clip clu Sep 2017 #47

Bernie is zentrum Sep 2017 #28

There is no evidence showing Bernie is the most popular. The silly poll that purports to show that pnwmom Sep 2017 #30

54% according to the latest poll commissioned by the Hill BainsBane Sep 2017 #31

I don't agree with him and I don't trust him lunamagica Sep 2017 #41

Hillary spoke her mind, stood true to her beliefs, and earned the votes of several million pnwmom Sep 2017 #29

as i have posted on that same gaming forum clu Sep 2017 #32

Again. Hillary had 2.9 million more votes, the vast majority of which pnwmom Sep 2017 #34

needed them in PA/MI/WI clu Sep 2017 #35

We'll never know how many votes in those states were suppressed, pnwmom Sep 2017 #38

Yes we needed them in PA where I live. RW propaganda demonized HRC and cost her Middle class votes John1956PA Sep 2017 #42

Not just RW propaganda. The Russians targeted their propaganda at specific segments of voters pnwmom Sep 2017 #75

+100 John1956PA Sep 2017 #83

ANOTHER dismissal of the actual voting? yallerdawg Sep 2017 #55

exactly heaven05 Sep 2017 #78

It's wise to stop digging when you're in a hole. Isn't it strange to you that the exact 3 states... brush Sep 2017 #62

you're calling a sanders supporter clu Sep 2017 #63

You may want to turn it back to Sanders v Hillary. I'm talking about a stolen election between... brush Sep 2017 #64

ok then clu Sep 2017 #65

Yeah, right. Repug vote suppression, Comey and Russian interference had no effect. brush Sep 2017 #66

you voted for sanders heaven05 Sep 2017 #79

No, this isn't rocket science. You asked so I'll tell you. Hillary trounced Bernie in PA, 56-44. pnwmom Sep 2017 #81

you're serious??? heaven05 Sep 2017 #77

And was rated the most truthful politician running in 2016 BainsBane Sep 2017 #37

And sadly, her unwillingness to over-promise and to lie probably hurt her. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #39

Yes, we live in a time when voters demand that politicians lie to them BainsBane Sep 2017 #40

++++++ heaven05 Sep 2017 #76

And awayyyy we go tymorial Sep 2017 #46

If progressives want to take over the Democratic Party. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2017 #56

That sounds like so much work Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #67

+1000 MineralMan Sep 2017 #68

But it's so much easier to whine on a message board! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #70

i had feet on the street for obama clu Sep 2017 #71

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #72

More "mind boggling" is voter suppression & votes not counted delisen Sep 2017 #82