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HughBeaumont

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Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:46 PM

Sep 2017

I am SO sick of this narrative.

It is NOT the fault of progressives (many, MANY of whom voted for her) that she lost this election to Orange Lincoln Rockwell.

It is not Bernie Sanders' fault that she lost this election to Orange Julius Caesar.

While there were mitigating factors that played a role in Trump's win (Russia, Comey, the complicit media, etc), progressives and progressive voters were NOT to blame. The campaign team abandoned the Rust Belt, was more comfortable getting her in front of big-donor fundraisers than large crowds, did nothing but sell Hillary as "not a batshit fascist" instead of giving Americans a reason to vote FOR her in ads, and went with a strategy of trying to convert two moderate Republicans while losing one "blue collar Democrat".

This is just more ridiculous bullshit to avoid looking in a mirror.

Stop blaming progressives for your crappy campaigning. It should have NEVER been this close against a fascist Cheeto.

These people are going to be some waiting you-know-whats if they expect progressives to be the ones to . . . "bend the knee".

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Hillary Throws Shade at Bernie: 'Fundamentally Wrong' About Democratic Party [View all] DonViejo Sep 2017 OP

Hillary spoke the truth dalton99a Sep 2017 #1

yes, she does..... samnsara Sep 2017 #3

Yes shenmue Sep 2017 #30

+1000 stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #67

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #78

Yup. nt Maven Sep 2017 #82

We must always remember.... FarPoint Sep 2017 #152

Hillary could quote another famous Democrat... yallerdawg Sep 2017 #185

"I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell." Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #223

"The buck stops here." QC Sep 2017 #434

My Truman quote applies to the campaign. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #439

Can you really picture Truman writing a book about what meanies his opponents were? QC Sep 2017 #473

Truman's memoire was serialized in Life Magazine The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #479

Yes she did grantcart Sep 2017 #189

Unapologetically, and without being coy or reassuring. ehrnst Sep 2017 #235

+2000 Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #375

Bernie had to run. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #377

It's how he ran his campaign that is at issue, not that he ran. Native Sep 2017 #494

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #391

Dang right. Hillary you go, girl! kstewart33 Sep 2017 #453

Her truth. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #489

Totally. And some will vilify her ten times more than they Guilded Lilly Sep 2017 #536

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2017 #550

i cant wait to read her book samnsara Sep 2017 #2

Democrats should always vote for REAL Democrats. democratisphere Sep 2017 #4

Truth!!! liquid diamond Sep 2017 #234

Only REAL Democrats should be allowed to run in our primaries. haveahart Sep 2017 #481

Actually, she's being honest and frank... not "throwing shade". NurseJackie Sep 2017 #5

it suggests nothing of the kind to me. mopinko Sep 2017 #10

How so? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #12

not how i see it used. mopinko Sep 2017 #24

She has expressed no contempt, insults, disgust or disrespect... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #42

It's actually her duty to write her first-person account of this huge historical event. Hortensis Sep 2017 #241

From what I've seen, this is going to be a FANTASTIC first-person account. I'm very much... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #316

Me too! The bits I've read are in line with what I witnessed, but I'm Hortensis Sep 2017 #371

Anything she says about the election without apology or temerity will be called a burn. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #238

Or "whining," or any of the other words reserved for women. Hekate Sep 2017 #360

Things like "Emotional" or "Hysterical" or "Irrational"... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #373

It sure does...code for 'women'. My daughter who graduated Suma last spring did Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #487

And still doesn't. To this day. Right here. Right now... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #488

Exactly right...Do you remember the poster who said...if only Sec. Clinton had remained a Senator... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #499

+1000000000 treestar Sep 2017 #79

I think the author's feelings are made very clear by that title. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #199

Please elaborate. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #203

By author I think Ehrnst means Joseph A. Wulfsohn? Demit Sep 2017 #273

Thanks. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #274

I agree with you. Telling the truth is not "throwing shade". n/t LisaM Sep 2017 #313

Sing it! MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #6

Somebody get Bernie cold water, 'cause he got burned. DetlefK Sep 2017 #7

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #8

She promised an honest assessment mcar Sep 2017 #9

I just hope what ever she says, it helps us WIN in 2018 RiverStone Sep 2017 #450

The people who won't like it radical noodle Sep 2017 #558

Required reading in gender studies classes for decades no doubt. Native Sep 2017 #495

It sure should be mcar Sep 2017 #497

At least she's not bitter nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #11

Who wouldn't be after getting treated like that? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #13

Do you think she considered how these words would help geek tragedy Sep 2017 #19

I don't see how this helps... seems Hillary has no problem dividing the party. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #33

She is not dividing the party, on the contrary Perseus Sep 2017 #66

"derogatory comments he made during the primaries" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #139

What derogatory remarks were made at him? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #214

Boom! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #255

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #282

Yep left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #326

I agree with the above 90-percent Sep 2017 #480

What isn't typical is to continue the fight all the way up to the convention when there's no pnwmom Sep 2017 #369

Absolutely. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #510

And he didn't refer to Bobby Kennedy's murder QC Sep 2017 #426

Ah, so we're rehashing the 2008 primaries to mine for HRC bashing points. ehrnst Sep 2017 #527

And he certainly didn't equate himself with being the only choice ehrnst Sep 2017 #529

Apparently, the need to "learn the lessons of 2016" don't extend to listening to ehrnst Sep 2017 #216

Preach it! Hekate Sep 2017 #356

Dividing the party? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #242

Yeah, Eko Sep 2017 #321

If Bernie going to do things like appear with Seth Rich troofer Jimmy Dore and Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2017 #467

The continuing double standard... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #530

When you have former Sanders supporters like Nina Turner running an organization that primaries Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #486

Oh please. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #36

+1 damn million The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #75

Truth is a subjective thing. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #77

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #104

Yup. KTM Sep 2017 #109

You've read the whole book? mcar Sep 2017 #116

Truth is NOT a "subjective thing" The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #170

Perceptions of reality are very much subjective. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #175

"I was walking down the street minding my own business when someone jumped me and stole my purse... Hekate Sep 2017 #364

Are you claiming Bernie Sanders mugged Hillary Clinton? geek tragedy Sep 2017 #366

No, but if you can't understand it's because you won't understand Hekate Sep 2017 #367

The subject is Clinton airing grievances from the 2016 primary. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #372

You poor soul. Russia, Putin, hackers, Comey, RNC, vote suppression: those WERE the 2016 election Hekate Sep 2017 #398

no need to engage in personal insults geek tragedy Sep 2017 #422

She certainly refrained in 2016, unlike opponents. ehrnst Sep 2017 #532

She's complaining about Sanders behaving like a more responsible version of Hillary 2008. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #535

So, tell us how does that help in 2017? Which is now? ehrnst Sep 2017 #544

Reminder that I was a fairly strident voice for Clinton and against Sanders in 2016 primary. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #548

So how do you explain the Dems saying that they need to retool their message? ehrnst Sep 2017 #565

Leading and unifying is one thing... complaining and dividing is another. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #559

There doesn't seem to be a moratorium on complaining and dividing ehrnst Sep 2017 #566

Nice try to play coy. Not very convincing, though. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #531

Well, she was there. We weren't. She had a front row seat. ehrnst Sep 2017 #246

Party leaders have responsibility to unify party geek tragedy Sep 2017 #259

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #294

Sanders himself is not doing that. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #344

People like Nina Turner, who runs Sanders' PAC comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #413

call me crazy, but I think Clinton should be held to higher standard than Cornel West nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #419

In what way? Can you clarify what standard metrics you are talking about? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #509

I expect Cornel West to sow discord and try to reopen old wounds and tear the party apart. nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #512

So you're saying that Hillary is below "sowing discord and trying to reopen old wounds and tear ehrnst Sep 2017 #526

I criticized Sanders for that when he did it. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #528

How does it help the Democrats to forget what factors led to where we are now ehrnst Sep 2017 #540

Well, that's the thing, she hasn't renounced her status as a party leader, and seems to still think geek tragedy Sep 2017 #546

Almost as bad as sore loser, who gets a shiv in whenever possible. ehrnst Sep 2017 #549

It is such a shame that people who are on "Unity tours" after inviegling themselves into Ninsianna Sep 2017 #327

If correcting the flaws help us win next year, then air em! RiverStone Sep 2017 #452

That's what the book is about, airing them is good. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #561

You mean like bashing the Democratic party concerning the election? ehrnst Sep 2017 #500

Clinton bashed the DNC plenty when 'explaining' why she lost nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #513

When? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #524

example geek tragedy Sep 2017 #525

Katy Tur had a front row seat as well, and I ordered her book last night, along with Hillary's. Hekate Sep 2017 #399

So is the description "taking a swing at him." (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #250

+1 . n/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2017 #92

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2017 #94

Yes. cwydro Sep 2017 #141

+1000. "She has every right to tell the truth and she should." Hortensis Sep 2017 #204

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #218

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2017 #392

An accurate observation is often misinterpreted as "the opposite of help." LanternWaste Sep 2017 #53

"accurate" being the key. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #80

A few short memories around here. Someone constantly attacked the Democratic Party establishment... brush Sep 2017 #136

True this. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #247

exactly. nt. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #256

This is accurate, that seems to be what's upseting people. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #334

People who think Clinton generally can do no wrong geek tragedy Sep 2017 #340

People who think, generally are able to assess accuracy. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #357

I would apply this standard to people who keep on hating on Bernie Sanders nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #363

Projection, gk. murielm99 Sep 2017 #110

Her being honest "hurts the party?" ehrnst Sep 2017 #156

WHY IS IT that when Hillary... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #163

I have an idea... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #213

In these excerpts she is. Even blaming him for her loss geek tragedy Sep 2017 #168

You read into it what wasn't there. ehrnst Sep 2017 #240

He damn sure didn't help her. WhiteTara Sep 2017 #245

Okay, so she's not a party leader but in the Senate geek tragedy Sep 2017 #345

We'll see what he does. WhiteTara Sep 2017 #443

Actually, no. She's pointing out facts, that some people have trouble with. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #330

Not just the party Bradshaw3 Sep 2017 #198

This Right Here LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #287

Just remember, nothing is ever Hillary Clinton's fault nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #347

Yayyyy, someone gets it... thank you!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #474

ooppsssiee pangaia Sep 2017 #14

I really do not see bitterness in that excerpt. riversedge Sep 2017 #61

"Impugn my character" ... "disrupt the party" geek tragedy Sep 2017 #71

It's factual and demonstrable. She's not addressed anyone's "motivations". She is ... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81

"Disrupt the party" is editorializing not description. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #85

Still not bitterness when reaching a conclusion based on her experience. riversedge Sep 2017 #87

The party has been 'disrupted' and it continue even today. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #89

Splitting hairs doesn't strengthen your argument. Especially when such "editorializing" can be... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #95

I remember those things. If talking about them is "taking swings" at someone ehrnst Sep 2017 #248

No liberties were taken, she's simpy stating facts. No need to go out of her way to Ninsianna Sep 2017 #333

Again, just because you agree with an opinion geek tragedy Sep 2017 #341

Again, just because you don't like a fact, it doesn't change what it is, nor does it Ninsianna Sep 2017 #361

No, having taken coursework in epistemology, I fully understand geek tragedy Sep 2017 #362

It's one of those things, where you might have taken coursework and understand how Ninsianna Sep 2017 #562

I agree with the facts that formed her opinion ... facts matter uponit7771 Sep 2017 #393

it's always someone else's fault with some politicians nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #423

When the facts point to it being someones else's fault then it is no? I mean, what are we supposed uponit7771 Sep 2017 #424

The Buck Stops --- over there, with Bernie? nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #427

If that's where it stops, I'm not into taking accountability for something someone else did that's uponit7771 Sep 2017 #456

I think that you may be unclear on the difference between ehrnst Sep 2017 #534

Let's pretend I wasn't born yesterday and can tell the difference between dispassionate geek tragedy Sep 2017 #537

"I am proud to be a Democrat and I wish Bernie were, too." ehrnst Sep 2017 #538

Again, that sounds like a winning line in a primary debate. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #539

The time to learn is the present. Which is 2017. ehrnst Sep 2017 #542

other than feeding Clinton partisans' sense of righteousness, what does it accomplish? nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #543

Can you guys please give it a rest and spare us from revisiting this bullshit - some of us have PTSD Native Sep 2017 #498

I fully agree. Too bad Clinton disagrees nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #514

OMGSeriously? Native Sep 2017 #518

Yes. She bashed Sanders and blamed him for her own loss in November. geek tragedy Sep 2017 #519

That's not how I read it. Btw - I was referring to your response. LOL Native Sep 2017 #554

You Think.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #84

You have an odd definition of facts. Could not find one factual sentence in your post. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #188

There's PLENTY of Facts In The Post.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #281

Doesn't matter what my "world view" is, opinions are still not facts. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #342

Just wondering LoveMyCali Sep 2017 #252

Yes.....That Good Working "Relationship" with Tim Kaine who Nearly No One... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #284

The working relationship is not to blame LoveMyCali Sep 2017 #291

"Attitudes Like Mines" LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #292

How do you come up with that? LoveMyCali Sep 2017 #296

Easily..... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #299

So you blame the Trump on Kaine as VP? ehrnst Sep 2017 #502

Great point! I hope you get a response from the person you asked. Demit Sep 2017 #285

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #503

Sanders did not want to be VP radical noodle Sep 2017 #451

And Tim Kaine equaled.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #463

So - around a quarter of Sanders voters in the primaries abandoned Clinton in the General The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #496

Here The Reply To The Ass Kissing You Stated Above.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #501

Interestingly, Clinton got the voters who voted on economic anxiety... ehrnst Sep 2017 #505

Not made up or mysterious in any way The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #511

Sure you don't... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #515

Her VP pick rather than actual votes cast for Trump are the issue The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #517

Actually, no you don't... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #520

You blame Trump on Kaine as VP? Seriously? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #504

Nonsense radical noodle Sep 2017 #557

Dang.. truth bomb @ DU..;) disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #490

Thank You.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #508

I know - if she had just gone away and stayed, we'd be spared her less than apologetic ehrnst Sep 2017 #219

Certainly not in comparison to many BainsBane Sep 2017 #322

We should all be bitter and pissed off nini Sep 2017 #441

That's not Sanders's fault nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #447

But who benefits from it? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #507

She is absolutely correct... Sancho Sep 2017 #15

I admire her for that. She's a much better person that I am. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #20

Yep hueymahl Sep 2017 #40

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #16

She is being kind, considering what the men did to her. George II Sep 2017 #17

I voted for her over Bernie but how sad would that primary have been without him? BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #18

+100 KTM Sep 2017 #48

I still have hope. azmom Sep 2017 #86

I don't see it that way... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #56

You voted for her in the primary? BainsBane Sep 2017 #96

My anger is at her performance in the General, which had a lot to do with the result n/t BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #111

What specifically? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #253

Didn't see her much in August, but I'm sure that Hey Jude celeb singalong was cool BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #257

And why spew at me? BainsBane Sep 2017 #286

Lol; knock what off? You were responding to me BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #293

In this instance BainsBane Sep 2017 #305

Warren enthusiastically supported HRC, as I remember. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #155

Warren would have been a better candidate than Bernie, IMO BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #169

So why did she endorse Hillary? Since you brought up the fact that she was ehrnst Sep 2017 #195

I do hope Elizabeth runs... she would be a force to reckon with. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #560

It was an incumbent party, but not incumbent candidate year. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #260

The thought that Bernie opened lines of attack that Trump never would have pursued is laughable BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #267

In another excerpt BainsBane Sep 2017 #324

Alternatively, it was bad advice but she took it BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #355

Absolutely BainsBane Sep 2017 #359

Undeniably true BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #368

Well hello there strawman. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #343

Surely you don't believe that such a shy and retiring man as Donald Trump QC Sep 2017 #418

"We agreed on so much"... yes, because Hillary adopted many of Bernie's progressive positions... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #21

Hope in one hand ... nt geek tragedy Sep 2017 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #26

Yes, Bernie pulled her, and the Party to the Left during the primary. This can only be viewed as a AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #121

"I don't think the Primary cost us the General" Plucketeer Sep 2017 #179

I think it's a valid view from the author's perspective. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #201

I wont read it based on excerpts Ive seen playin the blame game;doesnt help lookin fwd 2 the future. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #302

We had "Mr. Pandering", not "Mr. Popularity" Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #349

"unrealistic or flat out laughable"? Plucketeer Sep 2017 #379

His budgetary numbers didn't even REMOTELY add up Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #421

Hate to break this to you . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #484

You seem to be misinformed Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #551

Steve . . . last year I contributed to three gofundmes for giant medical bills. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #552

HDHPs are nearly as cancerous as cancer Steven Maurer Sep 2017 #563

But it's just so tiresome when the unwashed masses QC Sep 2017 #432

None of the above as much as we agree with it ever had a snowball's chance in hell to pass. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #440

Aw geez Plucketeer Sep 2017 #541

Precisely! Well said! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #275

And vice verca, recently. I hope that eventually gets acknowledged. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #200

Yes, and so many years before him. It's sad that so many had no idea Ninsianna Sep 2017 #351

I'm with her. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2017 #23

Nonetheless, her "honesty" will cause damage. azmom Sep 2017 #25

Yup, this is the wrong book at the wrong time... no doubt! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #28

Right Book. Right answers. Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #37

I've only read the excerpt so I can't comment azmom Sep 2017 #54

That feeling is why the excerpt in the OP is so right. Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #106

You're a fool if you pay retail for anything. azmom Sep 2017 #119

Really? cwydro Sep 2017 #142

I know. Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #402

Those are the sentiments Jakes Progress Sep 2017 #400

Hardly an impartial source... could do more harm than good. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #261

No, the wrong time would be anytime next year or in 2020 BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #244

I strongly disagree, but hope you're right. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #265

It's well before campaign season 2018. The book won't be an issue next year. Demit Sep 2017 #303

I am concerned about Democrats...I can't worry about those who can't be bothered to join Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #57

I'm working on making my State blue, so I need to be azmom Sep 2017 #60

Voters don't need to identify as blue to vote blue. ehrnst Sep 2017 #202

Take my word for it...twisting yourself into knots to please some dissatisfied voters...many Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #217

Yes, I never expected to be wooed by a party. I expect the candidate to make the case. ehrnst Sep 2017 #207

If you don't support the Democratic party in your donations,you force them to seek money elsewhere. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #215

Most Definitely... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #101

I don't think he would have accepted a VP slot. ehrnst Sep 2017 #208

You're not the only one who believes this. I've heard... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #224

We voted for Hillary, primary and general. Dems all the way. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #288

I wonder what his fans' reaction would've been if he'd accepted. Demit Sep 2017 #308

If a "progressive" can't be bothered to vote for D on the ticket EllieBC Sep 2017 #306

We are not going to kiss up to you. liquid diamond Sep 2017 #319

a fact and opinion quickesst Sep 2017 #27

Spot on Hillary. cwydro Sep 2017 #29

Bernie Needs videohead5 Sep 2017 #31

Because He's Not Me. Sep 2017 #120

But understands the cred a major party brings to a candidate. ehrnst Sep 2017 #197

Once Berned Me. Sep 2017 #229

But he wants videohead5 Sep 2017 #314

But He Doesn't Seem To Understand That Me. Sep 2017 #325

K and r. nt cwydro Sep 2017 #32

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2017 #34

Seems more than fair to me BainsBane Sep 2017 #35

A defense of the Democratic Party - a novel thing to see these days. JHan Sep 2017 #38

And the division continues tiredtoo Sep 2017 #39

Honesty is part of healing. Are you opposed to honesty? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #43

Honestly we had a primary contest for our presidential candidate last election tiredtoo Sep 2017 #46

Everyone else gets their say... why do you want to deny Hillary her opportunity? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #51

ok have it your way tiredtoo Sep 2017 #93

Huh? "Chosen one" ?? What does that even mean? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #98

"Chosen one" Plucketeer Sep 2017 #128

Still not much help. Please explain. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #132

Sorry Plucketeer Sep 2017 #180

Well, thanks anyway for trying. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #184

Not sure if you are really being honest here or not. tiredtoo Sep 2017 #149

Yeah, chosen by 3 million (or so) DEMOCRATIC voters. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #251

spin, spin, spin tiredtoo Sep 2017 #276

Nah man, "spin" is suggesting HRC was chosen by people other than the voters... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #279

And you think she was not chosen by people other than voters? NT tiredtoo Sep 2017 #283

No, I think she was the choice of most DEMOCRATS, but the only ones who mattered... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #289

Who was she chosen by if not voters? mcar Sep 2017 #365

i have already answered this tiredtoo Sep 2017 #381

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #396

Please do explain what you mean by "chosen one." Don't cut and run. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #212

Do I really have to explain this to you? tiredtoo Sep 2017 #278

Wrong. liquid diamond Sep 2017 #335

Whatever EOM tiredtoo Sep 2017 #336

What? On what do you base that? Since you brought it up here, so not to be accused of.... George II Sep 2017 #459

Nope tiredtoo Sep 2017 #491

We've had primaries, cab67 Sep 2017 #69

Thats a two way street. KTM Sep 2017 #52

I recall the many, many "honest" criticisms of HRC after the GE mcar Sep 2017 #68

I see the same things you're seeing. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #74

++++++ We know why - JHan Sep 2017 #112

Honesty is not allowed here when it comes to certain candidates Egnever Sep 2017 #348

We are already repeating the past with groups like Our revolution and Move on (no money for either) Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

We have to acknowledge and admit mistakes in order to deal with them... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #55

I trust her and admire her...I wish she was president today. She would be a good one. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #226

Agree wholeheartedly! n/t sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #298

There is even one group trying to recall an elected Democrat R B Garr Sep 2017 #122

This is ridiculous...and makes me sick. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #225

So we have to allow Stein, Turn and their ilk to trash the party in order to get votes? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #59

So am I!! WHY IS IT that when Hillary... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #115

Yep, HRC truths are divisive, others putting down the DEMOCRATIC party, is a' ok! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #123

She is apparently not allowed the courtesy of opinion mcar Sep 2017 #125

Yes it it is. bashing democrats damages the party and convinces some not to vote Democratic. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #231

Yep. nt SunSeeker Sep 2017 #437

Those who **forget** the past are doomed to repeat it. ehrnst Sep 2017 #232

Then tell Saint Bernie to give the party-bashing a rest, too Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2017 #468

She's right, ya know. Adrahil Sep 2017 #41

Yep. cwydro Sep 2017 #45

++++ There are no lies in the passage above JHan Sep 2017 #206

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #233

One fundamental flaw Roy Rolling Sep 2017 #44

She is a super resilient person. Realistic but likes to give people the benefit of the doubt. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #50

Hillary is right...I love you Hillary! Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

Thanks for posting. riversedge Sep 2017 #58

I am proud to be a Democrat and I always knew HRC was too. Still with HER! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #62

+1 BainsBane Sep 2017 #99

In one day her foundation does more to help humankind than any 500 random Americans Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #395

Thank you Eliot Rosewater! Awesome comment and the truth! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #408

Sigh, yet another reminder of what could have been. Bleacher Creature Sep 2017 #63

Hillary is pointing out a simple truth: that just because someone identifies a real problem stopbush Sep 2017 #64

I cheered for both candidates in the beginning tavernier Sep 2017 #65

I don't think he's the reason we lost, either. janterry Sep 2017 #127

No argument either tavernier Sep 2017 #339

I have a good friend in her sixties who was once very active in PatrickforO Sep 2017 #70

Very well put! maddiemom Sep 2017 #102

The thing is ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #103

I sure am in need hope because I get a feeling of dread azmom Sep 2017 #140

She's pretty awesome ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #157

Thanks for this ismnotwasm +++++ JHan Sep 2017 #159

The base went heavily for clinton. JI7 Sep 2017 #221

Yes it did ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #300

The sun will come out tomorrow... Raster Sep 2017 #315

Haha! ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #320

Love that too! Raster Sep 2017 #323

This won't help anything. shanny Sep 2017 #72

lol MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #134

erudite shanny Sep 2017 #258

Weird. Obama 'impugned' her character a lot more in 2008 leftstreet Sep 2017 #73

That is untrue. We can't discuss that here...but I would suggest reading about the convention. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

Why not? leftstreet Sep 2017 #90

Whataboutism. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #166

It would be re-fighting the primary were I to refute this using examples from the 2016 primary. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #239

Oh. Well we certainly don't want to re-fight the primary n/t leftstreet Sep 2017 #243

I signed TOS agreeing not to do so. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #263

As Her and Bill Did Barack..... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #290

Not True. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #352

2016 was Rainbow Brite's Happy Meadow compared to 2008. QC Sep 2017 #438

No it wasn't...Pres. Obama never attacked the Democratic Party and that is the difference...nor Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #442

Bernie never said that John McCain was more qualified to be president than HRC. QC Sep 2017 #444

you should look that up...check some archives of morning shows. I won't fight the last primary. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #446

That's not the last primary. That's 2008. QC Sep 2017 #448

K&R stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #76

Sing it sister! Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #83

I'm sure it's difficult for the Clinton's to be out of the political limelight after decades as jalan48 Sep 2017 #91

Oh, right. Is that why Bernie wrote two books? BainsBane Sep 2017 #97

Bernie's still a Senator. jalan48 Sep 2017 #100

And Hillary is a former First Lady, Senator and Sec.of State. livetohike Sep 2017 #105

I agree. Jimmy Carter is a great example of what a politician can become after leaving the limelight jalan48 Sep 2017 #151

As Hillary will. Don't forget the Clinton Foundation's great works around the planet. Hortensis Sep 2017 #210

I totally agree. Hillary will go down as one of the great women in American history. jalan48 Sep 2017 #430

I like Jimmy Carter, but I think Bill Clinton has done amazing things with the foundation...it has Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #385

There are 100 senators BainsBane Sep 2017 #311

Bernie is well liked-people want to see him. It's OK. jalan48 Sep 2017 #428

I think what you mean to say BainsBane Sep 2017 #431

No, that's not what I said or meant. jalan48 Sep 2017 #433

Like Being On Late Night Shows Me. Sep 2017 #126

and appearing on cable news BainsBane Sep 2017 #309

and charges $30 a head at speaking events Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2017 #469

What I find sad is those who say "Hillary should just go away". It's fine for every media still_one Sep 2017 #117

Dunno. The 'Right' didn't let Romney peek his head out of his hole till late in the primary. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #130

My comment wasn't about the primaries. It was about how the media and other critics are given free still_one Sep 2017 #173

Romney was widely belittled by the 'media' for losing. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #194

Why do you keep bringing Romney into this dialog. This is about the rampant sexism that was evident still_one Sep 2017 #266

it certainly exists. But there's more than one type of criticism going. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #307

Right on, Hillary! Thank you for telling it like it is lunamagica Sep 2017 #107

Thank you Hillary. murielm99 Sep 2017 #108

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+1 AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #133

-1 Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #146

Hahaha more speeches spiel. You forgot 'em emails. Right progressives? LOL! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #135

If the two (and only those two) ran again for the nomination (and I hope neither does), Gore1FL Sep 2017 #114

Am still with HER! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #144

I agree with Hillary 100%. If she posted this on DU herself...she would have been hidden...LOL Trust Buster Sep 2017 #118

Lol she would get flagged for review in seconds lol JHan Sep 2017 #147

So right! cwydro Sep 2017 #304

She should have gone after Sanders on not releasing his taxes JI7 Sep 2017 #124

Wondering if it will be mentioned in the book? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #150

She made the decision not to attack Sanders, which led to many people thinking ehrnst Sep 2017 #506

She's been right about so many things. Calling out the deplorables, jrthin Sep 2017 #129

Quote: "His attacks caused lasting damage" R B Garr Sep 2017 #131

He did not get in to cilla4progress Sep 2017 #137

We need to look forward - not back Mountain Mule Sep 2017 #138

Does anyone know how many pages of her book are dedicated Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #143

Right On Point! LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #297

We needed Bernie in the election Kosey Sep 2017 #145

Weak candidate? Is there a memo or something going around? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #158

+1000% Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #162

Wrong. Bernie as the one true savior of the corrupt Dem party is the myth that needs to die kcr Sep 2017 #178

+1. Willful ignorance is always wrong, and this time it was dreadfully dangerous. Hortensis Sep 2017 #271

Exactly right, while Sen. Sanders votes with the Democrats, I submit there is little evidence he Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #387

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #181

Lots of keystrokes, but seems rather short on understanding very recent history. Hortensis Sep 2017 #262

I don't give a damn about the primary...pointless and divisive. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #270

My answer: If there had been no primary, Hillary would have won. Hortensis Sep 2017 #272

I agree with you but don't want to refight the primary hahah. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #277

Nope Catch2.2 Sep 2017 #148

Corporatist? Got to say I really have missed this endearing word! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #161

Agree. n/t Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #164

Corp Dem JCinNYC Sep 2017 #268

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Sep 2017 #269

Senator Sanders is fundamentally not a Democrat. He recruited... The Polack MSgt Sep 2017 #404

"Throwing shade" will get more clicks than "talks about his ehrnst Sep 2017 #153

Yeah because HRC is incapable of brilliantly talking about issues/arguments. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #165

And once again, she is right. This is exactly how I feel. boston bean Sep 2017 #154

--- underpants Sep 2017 #160

The flogging of progressives on DU has become a daily event . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #167

Yep. n/t Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #174

But flogging of DEMS and the DEM party is ok? Establishment DEMs? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #183

Agreed 100% Arazi Sep 2017 #191

Just what we corporatist do GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #264

Yep.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #301

Matters what one calls a progressive, assholes who hate Clinton for stating facts aren't progressive uponit7771 Sep 2017 #394

Ok some one please explain the rules mjvpi Sep 2017 #171

Totally agree with this post . . FairWinds Sep 2017 #177

It is tiresome mjvpi Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #182

She campaigned for Goldwater when she was sixteen years old. Demit Sep 2017 #331

You misspelled Democrats. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #187

At least 2-3 times a week DU has a mcar Sep 2017 #205

Exactly AngryAmish Sep 2017 #353

It's Actually BEYOND TIRING.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #312

You said a lot Lordquinton Sep 2017 #376

On point. n/t Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #380

Yes snort Sep 2017 #445

Bernie Bashing and Excuses for It have always been Acceptable at DU eom LarryNM Sep 2017 #449

Pretty Much... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #464

You think Hillary's book should be banned from DU? BainsBane Sep 2017 #564

As usual, Hillary speaks for me. Paladin Sep 2017 #172

can't find anything to disagree with there. librechik Sep 2017 #176

Yeah this will help heal SHRED Sep 2017 #186

Heal what? You big UNITER YOU!!! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #190

I beg your pardon? SHRED Sep 2017 #209

I see! Sounds good. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #220

:-D NurseJackie Sep 2017 #211

I am not sure what the rules are in here regarding the primaries.But I will just say that I disagree SweetieD Sep 2017 #192

After all of the bullshit and lies flung her way, Hillary deserves to respond however she wants. LonePirate Sep 2017 #193

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Two sides? missingthebigdog Sep 2017 #222

I'm glad she's speaking out NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #227

but the entire point of a campaign is to establish oneself as the most favorable alternative beachjustice Sep 2017 #228

Damn. Lots of heads will be exploding here. liquid diamond Sep 2017 #230

Good for her. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #236

Thank you Hillary! nt WhiteTara Sep 2017 #237

She's not wrong. nt Kahuna7 Sep 2017 #249

Let's see what Bernie's response will be, if any.. andym Sep 2017 #254

We've already seen Bernie's response to losing BainsBane Sep 2017 #329

No doubt about that. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #374

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! chervilant Sep 2017 #280

Republicans have harsh primaries and they still come out like clockwork for the Republican who wins. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #295

This! chwaliszewski Sep 2017 #310

He didn't hurt her that much because she still won by 3 Million votes TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #318

The vast majority of them did, of course BainsBane Sep 2017 #332

Ah but those are Republicans voters who vote for the candidate with the 'R' next to his/her name... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #389

Agreed, Bernie was loathe to criticize Hillary; minor compared to the "damage" she did to Obama InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #435

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Whose sore-loserism? Barely? Progressivism the meme? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #338

That is not surprisingly, her opinion. This assumption that she had these disaffected voters locked JCanete Sep 2017 #328

In the United States of America tiredtoo Sep 2017 #337

I hope somewhere in her book she actually takes responsibly for her loss. white_wolf Sep 2017 #346

+1,000 HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #370

Orange Lincoln Rockwell..... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #382

In the immortal words of Robbie Dupree - Steal Away! HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #483

Thank You.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #523

Strangely enough, Hillary WON. She got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump. About 66,000,000.... Hekate Sep 2017 #406

No, she lost by the only standards that matter. white_wolf Sep 2017 #410

"The only standards that matter." Oh please. Hekate Sep 2017 #411

She isn't president. That orange piece of shit is. That IS what matters. white_wolf Sep 2017 #412

Well, good for her. She'll sell a ton of books. Vinca Sep 2017 #350

Yea.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #383

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That election was the Democratic Party's to lose billpolonsky Sep 2017 #358

This.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #384

Strangely enough, Hillary WON. She got 3,000,000 more votes than Trump. It took the combined forces Hekate Sep 2017 #409

I don't disagree with her on this bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #378

Done with Hillary SpicyBoi Sep 2017 #386

Well she is right... all the above played a roll in the 2016 general election loss. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #390

Boohoo. Had people in MI and WI never heard of Hillary? Do they seriously not vote for seaglass Sep 2017 #397

I'm agonized because she never visited my county. How could she take us so for granted? Hekate Sep 2017 #405

She did visit those states BainsBane Sep 2017 #416

Thanks for the correction! n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #420

Toodle-oo. Hekate Sep 2017 #403

This is the Democratic Party, not the Bernie Party BainsBane Sep 2017 #415

This also isn't the "Moderates ONLY" party. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #485

Hillary isn't even a centrist SpicyBoi Sep 2017 #521

"Centrists" BainsBane Sep 2017 #533

No, "Centrists" as in the ones who constantly say our issues are "politically unachievable". HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #547

Oh, so it has absolutely nothing to do with policy BainsBane Sep 2017 #553

Do you think Hillary is over it? SpicyBoi Sep 2017 #516

She went to Michigan on election week BainsBane Sep 2017 #417

Done with you. johnp3907 Sep 2017 #462

You could've just ignored me without announcing it SpicyBoi Sep 2017 #522

I think you're supposed to be wounded to the very core of your being QC Sep 2017 #555

Yes, they were quite full of themselves SpicyBoi Sep 2017 #556

Oh brother Lazy Daisy Sep 2017 #388

Let me be the 400th post of what will always be a hot topic Hekate Sep 2017 #401

Many replies here remind me of old memos from (DLCer) Al From. democrank Sep 2017 #407

'... who will automatically have millions of supporters, millions in small donations...' crosinski Sep 2017 #429

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After months of being told that any objection to criticism of the Democratic party, its voters, BainsBane Sep 2017 #425

CNN book report clu Sep 2017 #436

Dunno about the whole book, but this excerpt is horseshit. Jim Lane Sep 2017 #454

Ok then Lotusflower70 Sep 2017 #455

Wow! jimlup Sep 2017 #457

Too bad this is getting all revived zentrum Sep 2017 #458

It's revived every single day BainsBane Sep 2017 #470

Well, I read on many zentrum Sep 2017 #471

Look at the poll you linked to BainsBane Sep 2017 #475

Moving On Progressive2020 Sep 2017 #460

Why Would She Write That? DallasNE Sep 2017 #461

I agree with you. zentrum Sep 2017 #472

re: "challenged Bernie...to name a single time I changed a position" thesquanderer Sep 2017 #465

Im not reading it. Pauldg47 Sep 2017 #466

uh, NO notinkansas Sep 2017 #476

Does anyone else find it interesting chervilant Sep 2017 #477

Yeah because there was nothing historic about the 2016 campaign. Duh. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #482

I am looking forward to reading this book Gothmog Sep 2017 #478

I wonder how many of the nastiest "Bernie Bros" were actually Russian provocateurs. Nitram Sep 2017 #492

+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #493

They didn't need to be for it to spread like mold. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #545