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R B Garr

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200. Not really. Just a quick Google shows a few reasons for the failure in Vermont.

Sat Sep 9, 2017, 11:50 AM

Sep 2017

The failure in Vermont should be explained to people. That is the point. Instead of allowing his fans to attack other good Democrats over their realistic concerns about single payer, he should take the lead and explain to people why Vermont doesn't have single payer. It is truly amazing that he is not asked about this every time he talks about it.

Why the hell isn't he disavowing his fans from attacking this good progressive California Democrat. Why aren't Vermont politicians subjected to this insanity over single payer??

Why is a California Democrat being subjected to a childish "recall". Who would support turning good Democrats out of office for this nonsense.

Attempted "Recall" of a progressive California Democrat
https://ballotpedia.org/Anthony_Rendon_recall,_California_State_Assembly_(2017)

Death threats to California Democrat:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article158738529.html

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Bernie backers' attacks on Democrats infuriate the party [View all] TexasTowelie Sep 2017 OP

Ooh, another Bernie bashing thread? Kentonio Sep 2017 #1

How so? Which part? I didn't see anything that was "bashing Bernie". NurseJackie Sep 2017 #3

Compared to the pretty vicious attacks mcar Sep 2017 #9

How dare you not suck up to the Bernie-Bros? The Democrats need their votes!!! DetlefK Sep 2017 #16

Russians, Kochs, agents like Bannon are the big issue -- Pro trollers are using Bernie posts Hortensis Sep 2017 #135

Yeah (looks at watch), must be Friday. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #12

'They don't seem to get that they're hanging ALL of us with this horseshit' melman Sep 2017 #25

You're right. But considering the subject line, remember who the "they" are. George II Sep 2017 #58

It is the determination to defend everything BainsBane Sep 2017 #176

No, we don't think of non-voting and Stein voting clowns as progressives. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #63

I attack them for not supporting multi-payer and shitting on progressive positions. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #75

Don't you want an answer from Bernie on why Vermont doesn't have single payer? R B Garr Sep 2017 #79

That's a pretty simple answer; they didn't have the votes. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #125

That's not the only or real reason. And no excuses, especially if you shame R B Garr Sep 2017 #126

Sanders isn't a member of the VT legislature. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #144

You don't have to be a "member" of anything to influence, right? He's not a "member" R B Garr Sep 2017 #149

He's a member of the left coalition. As Democrat I am OK with it. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #152

He needs to be honest with voters about why Vermont doesn't have single payer. R B Garr Sep 2017 #158

Speaking of "Good Democrats" . . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #162

VT doesn't have single payer because of the reasons outlined. It has nothing to do with Sanders Gore1FL Sep 2017 #173

It would not be difficult for Sanders to explain why Vermont does not have single payer. R B Garr Sep 2017 #175

He could easily. I did. They didn't have the votes. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #177

"They didn't have the votes." That's a passive voice. It's a politician's job R B Garr Sep 2017 #178

He doesn't have a position in the state legislature. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #180

This is just an excuse. Pelosi gets her votes in line. R B Garr Sep 2017 #182

... Gore1FL Sep 2017 #184

Making this personal about me is another excuse. Building coalitions is part of politics. R B Garr Sep 2017 #186

Nothing about it is personal. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #188

It hasn't been refuted. Not ever. You and others haven't refuted it. Ever. R B Garr Sep 2017 #189

Jesus Fucking Christ Gore1FL Sep 2017 #192

You could take your own advice about not wasting time. If Sanders' could not R B Garr Sep 2017 #199

Bye Felicia. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #201

How typical. Attempting to make things about me personally means you don't have to answer R B Garr Sep 2017 #202

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You should take your own advice. R B Garr Sep 2017 #205

You should take lessons in logic. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #206

You should take your own advice. R B Garr Sep 2017 #207

Congratulations. You won my first ignore in over 16 years of membership. nt Gore1FL Sep 2017 #208

How lame. I haven't been forcing you to post. R B Garr Sep 2017 #209

It's not his fault Vermont doesn't have single-payer. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #195

Not really. Just a quick Google shows a few reasons for the failure in Vermont. R B Garr Sep 2017 #200

I don't know anything about the Rendon recall, and that link doesn't work. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #210

OK. I checked. The governor refused, at the last minute, to implement the plan. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #211

Ugh, no, and the excuses for him are absurd. It was a test of his leadership and he failed R B Garr Sep 2017 #213

He did lead. Single-payer had been passed. The governor didn't implement. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #214

None of what you said about the governor is accurate. And none of what you said R B Garr Sep 2017 #216

Single-payer was passed in Vermont. The fight was won. It didn't lose in the legislature. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #217

LOL, Vermont doesn't have single payer. That is a fact. It was too expensive, which you R B Garr Sep 2017 #219

It was simply the governor's belief that the plan was too expensive. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #220

Nothing you are paraphrasing excuses Bernie. He can explain to people why Vermont doesn't R B Garr Sep 2017 #221

Bernie doesn't run the Vermont state government or rule the state as his personal fiefdom. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #222

Good luck on this. In this sub-thread it feels like arguing with an illogical tape recorder. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #204

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That's laughable. Vermont is one of the smallest states. Surely he can get it done R B Garr Sep 2017 #132

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That's laughable. He is supposedly so "popular", so why can't he R B Garr Sep 2017 #137

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That's laughable. If Bernie was so influential and popular, he could have R B Garr Sep 2017 #143

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But Bernie isn't a member of the Democratic party, either, yet he wants to throw his R B Garr Sep 2017 #150

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This is laughable. Bernie also has a leadership position with Vermont's R B Garr Sep 2017 #156

You'll of course, lay our the precise path for his implementing this particular policy, yes? LanternWaste Sep 2017 #139

Yes he does, all Senators and Representatives can affect legislation in their home state. George II Sep 2017 #134

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Why did he go to West Virginia to speak? George II Sep 2017 #153

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So, he holds town halls in West Virginia but doesn't address legislation in his own state? George II Sep 2017 #157

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No U.S. Senator ever lobbies his own state's legislature. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #218

Dude, posting on an open discussion forum isn't stalking. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #82

I support Democrats when they act like Democrats. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #97

We read you loud and clear. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #99

Love that Wiki page about Joe, which calls him a "righteous tightass". R B Garr Sep 2017 #101

It's rationalwiki. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #130

+1 leftstreet Sep 2017 #86

I'm clear. You bash DEMOCRATS at every opportunity. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #191

Joe Lieberturd was once a Democrat. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #197

... LexVegas Sep 2017 #18

Heh. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2017 #22

Instead of reacting that way Perseus Sep 2017 #37

That's amusing Kentonio Sep 2017 #51

This is the Democratic Underground. Democrat bashers will stand opposed LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #39

Where do you see bashing in that post? Lil Missy Sep 2017 #45

Oh we're in to 'stating facts' now are we? Kentonio Sep 2017 #52

Yes, the "facts" LakeArenal Sep 2017 #80

Changing the subject does nothing for your argument. Lil Missy Sep 2017 #171

Read the article, this is about his supporters, not him. George II Sep 2017 #57

A major theme of the article is about Sanders failure comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #107

How Do We Keep Seeing This BS.... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #72

Note to self: "Keep reccing TexasTowelie's posts... nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #185

Maybe when they stop their shit we won't have to talk about it anymore. nini Sep 2017 #87

Any analysis or criticism of a sacred cow is considered bashing to a biased mind. LanternWaste Sep 2017 #136

And so it begins. Control-Z Sep 2017 #172

And when we feel a section of the community is trying to bully Sanders supporters into silence Kentonio Sep 2017 #196

K & fuckin R JHan Sep 2017 #2

Those who attack and smear Sen. Kamala Harris are TOTAL ASSHOLES... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #14

I've got no time for their smears on select democrats JHan Sep 2017 #23

We reject the divisive smears against Harris, yet *we* are the ones accused of being divisive?!? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #31

Some animals are more equal than others. JHan Sep 2017 #40

aMEN The Mouth Sep 2017 #103

Amen sister!!!!!!! all american girl Sep 2017 #183

Is that a rhetorical question? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #65

As you suspected, I do not expect to receive an answer... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #70

We have much in common in the way we see things. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #71

It's so simple: Bernie Sanders is the root of all evil! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #4

They were his followers and he did not say anything as I recall. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #21

Bernie has done his own (recent) bashing of the Party Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2017 #119

The media assumes Bernie will be... check077 Sep 2017 #198

The OP is about his supporters, not him. George II Sep 2017 #55

Good constructive criticism mcar Sep 2017 #5

Yep. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #6

ha juxtaposed Sep 2017 #13

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Ughh.. and so it continues disillusioned73 Sep 2017 #7

Wow. A "handful of Sanders loyalists" is this scary to "prominent Democrats"?! aikoaiko Sep 2017 #8

Scary? MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #15

Yes, you are supposed to keep listening and the best part is you will. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #19

It is tearing the party down. It needs to stop...we don't need a potential Presidential Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #26

Nah, I don't have time to listen to his negative droning. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #27

If you say so. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #38

God love a duck. OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #10

"Unsourced"? Half of the article linked here is direct quotes, including the people who said them.. George II Sep 2017 #17

One source in each. A has-been and a wannabe. OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #30

Anyone here saw the original Harris posts... knows the story is absolutely true...and it needs Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #28

What needs to stop is citing Politico. OilemFirchen Sep 2017 #34

some stories on Politico are spot on. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #160

+1 progressoid Sep 2017 #163

Sadly, Nina Turner is leading the charge. George II Sep 2017 #11

She just won't stop leftofcool Sep 2017 #32

Does she still enjoy "protected" status here? Any official word yet? I mean... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #53

I've asked the administrators about that, no response yet. George II Sep 2017 #54

"Our Revolution" now supports Republicans, right? Shouldn't that mean... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #59

Below is my question in ATA. I wish it would be addressed soon. George II Sep 2017 #61

A Very Fair Question Me. Sep 2017 #88

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NT is still protected and may not be criticized comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #114

I wonder if Nina Turner can explain why Vermont doesn't have single payer. R B Garr Sep 2017 #92

She can't explain my shit, she tosses out bombs time for Perez to put on Historic NY Sep 2017 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author comradebillyboy Sep 2017 #179

"demands for ideological purity"... LexVegas Sep 2017 #20

I've seen the damage purity tests have wrought on the right. I'm a moderate Democrat. Trust Buster Sep 2017 #24

++++++++ JHan Sep 2017 #69

Yep! leftofcool Sep 2017 #106

I am Left-Center. Blue_true Sep 2017 #215

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #29

Dems have been handed Snackshack Sep 2017 #35

Bernie and his backers are still attacking the party now. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #41

I Did What Now? ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #142

And while you are at it, stop being so popular Bernie. You're making us look bad! jalan48 Sep 2017 #36

These threads need to stop! Dustlawyer Sep 2017 #42

Ill never stop calling out DINOs! nt WinstonSmith00 Sep 2017 #43

You seem to have forgotten your sarcasm tag... GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #77

Many of them arent Democrats and never were. padfun Sep 2017 #81

they are planning protests of her book tour OKNancy Sep 2017 #44

That is sick. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #47

omfg, that is pure insanity. They are apparently just fine with Trump. R B Garr Sep 2017 #73

The Bros and Trumpers are indistinguishable at this point. nt Maven Sep 2017 #84

I think they need another cause leftofcool Sep 2017 #110

Uh-oh - I got a hide for pointing out how childish these protests are. KitSileya Sep 2017 #124

Oh FFS! mcar Sep 2017 #129

This is fucked up on all levels, republicans are laughing all the way to 2018 elections. Old Vet Sep 2017 #145

As much as I don't like liquid diamond Sep 2017 #166

Not DACA, but Hillary's book BainsBane Sep 2017 #174

It is in Russia's best interest... woundedkarma Sep 2017 #46

And yet you paint a rather one-sided picture. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #49

EXACTLY!!!!! Duppers Sep 2017 #193

Stop ringing that god damned cockamaimie bell! longship Sep 2017 #48

Correct GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #76

As far as I can tell Bernie and Hillary aren't running against each other again.... Chakaconcarne Sep 2017 #50

That's not what the discussion is about. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #62

they need to be out looking for the bots and the trolls mopinko Sep 2017 #56

I'm not sure I see the point of this post or story ProfessorPlum Sep 2017 #60

That's projection, Skippy SecularMotion Sep 2017 #66

I had one of them attack me on Twitter just now. Scoopster Sep 2017 #64

People who hated Politico yesterday love it today--and vice versa. n/t QC Sep 2017 #67

"Bernie Backers" Roy Rolling Sep 2017 #68

Read the article, please. George II Sep 2017 #74

"Are they accusing me?" --- Were you there? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90

Are you among the ones that are attacking Democrats? Amimnoch Sep 2017 #120

So much for Politico being a bad source... berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #78

Yes, and yesterday... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #85

Get used to it GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #83

I also heard that climate change is actually a result of Bernie's flatulence! Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #89

I'm so glad that the good Democrat, Al Gore, is in the news now about climate R B Garr Sep 2017 #96

Al Gore... one of my proudest votes ever. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2017 #113

uh huh snort Sep 2017 #91

Seems like a tall order ejbr Sep 2017 #94

"most popular politician"? How so please. George II Sep 2017 #98

Here's one source ejbr Sep 2017 #100

No one outside of Vermont were permitted to rate him in that poll. George II Sep 2017 #104

Then they need to fix that headline ejbr Sep 2017 #117

Yes they do. This has been debated a dozen times here, people (not necessarily you).... George II Sep 2017 #122

What particular facts do you mean? BainsBane Sep 2017 #102

Then he should have no problem ejbr Sep 2017 #105

That presumes he wants the behavior to stop BainsBane Sep 2017 #115

Then he should be removed from leadership n/t ejbr Sep 2017 #118

Yes he should. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #127

You read my mind. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #141

The most popular politician is one such statement that is without foundation BainsBane Sep 2017 #112

So who did you find to be the most popular? ejbr Sep 2017 #116

Obama is much more popular than Bernie. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #161

Active politicians n/t ejbr Sep 2017 #167

Moving goalposts. n/t seaglass Sep 2017 #168

Just one time ejbr Sep 2017 #169

Alright then Plucketeer Sep 2017 #148

It is off the table......... roomtomove Sep 2017 #95

I can relate with the Democratic Party. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #108

Isn't it time for Bernie to apologize? NBachers Sep 2017 #109

Really. Amimnoch Sep 2017 #111

Are they Bernie Backers or Russian trolls? TheDebbieDee Sep 2017 #123

I am constantly amazed h2ebits Sep 2017 #128

Indeed leftstreet Sep 2017 #138

You're right we do need to be working together to beat the GOP. MrsCoffee Sep 2017 #154

You're only in control of your own actions scipan Sep 2017 #164

Yup, same old, same old... Raine Sep 2017 #187

bernie sanders is not a Democrat. never has been, never will be nt msongs Sep 2017 #165

Yep! They did, do and will. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #170

"outside agitators"? Who wrote this...Zombie Jesse Helms? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #190

TT, please Duppers Sep 2017 #194

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