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Are some on DU hoping Single Payer Health care fails? [View all] Chasstev365 Sep 2017 OP

I don't think it's the 'what' but it's the 'who.' egduj Sep 2017 #1

From what I've seen, it's the "how" brer cat Sep 2017 #97

++++ sheshe2 Sep 2017 #106

Maybe they're simply observing, rather than "pushing". whathehell Sep 2017 #133

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #151

Precisely Me. Sep 2017 #162

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Sep 2017 #181

sure it is. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #207

NO. It's the "Will we lose EVERYTHING in the process?" Hortensis Sep 2017 #175

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Sep 2017 #179

Not me!!!! get the red out Sep 2017 #2

Not me too!! I don't see how anyone can consider themselves a progressive and not believe... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #127

One can advocate for that in other ways than Single Payer ehrnst Sep 2017 #152

Never said there weren't other ways. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #167

Many, right here on DU don't distinguish between Single Payer with "universal health care" ehrnst Sep 2017 #170

Gotcha. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #178

Because Bernie BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #3

Exactly!nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #21

Remember how some madokie Sep 2017 #34

I remember well... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #107

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #45

+1 beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #67

People whining about spittle-flecked rage instead of discussing issues is why I don't spend a lot of MADem Sep 2017 #90

Actually Debbie Dingell has introduced one, and before that her husband, John, introduced it... George II Sep 2017 #93

It's not going to happen. It's nice to rally round the flag, but it's more important to spare ACA MADem Sep 2017 #96

Trying to shore up the ACA and pushing for single payer are two different issues mdbl Sep 2017 #102

Doesn't single payer momrentum actually help accomplish that? KPN Sep 2017 #155

Not really. ehrnst Sep 2017 #202

False equalization Vermont. KPN Sep 2017 #205

No, it's not the only way. And nope - not a false equalization. ehrnst Sep 2017 #211

Is false equalization. Economies of scale is a huge factor. KPN Sep 2017 #213

NO. While a certain subset are pushing for M4A (which will not happen, not this legislative session MADem Sep 2017 #217

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #182

Many here seem to think that Bernie's plan is the only way to get to universal health care ehrnst Sep 2017 #171

Well, they're wrong, aren't they? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #174

But that would mean maybe they got other things wrong too... ehrnst Sep 2017 #183

The fear that something might pass that gets called SandersCare is understandable. Orsino Sep 2017 #214

I am for any plan that covers everybody and can get passed by Congress DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2017 #4

That second part is key - one that can get passed by Congress. George II Sep 2017 #89

Most countries do it with multi-payer systems ehrnst Sep 2017 #150

It's no different than dozens of "repeal and replace" votes in that sense. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #180

Answer: no brooklynite Sep 2017 #5

I'm for UNIVERSAL healthcare. If that includes single-payer, I'm down with it. haveahart Sep 2017 #42

This Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #115

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #153

I don't think so. Seems people are concerned about the strategy of banging the drum seaglass Sep 2017 #6

This is the correct answer genxlib Sep 2017 #36

Just to be clear genxlib Sep 2017 #44

There was no counter punch to the Tea Party by the left. HopeAgain Sep 2017 #161

That is 1/3rd of where I am at. The other 2/3rds is, having been part of delivering some Medicare stevenleser Sep 2017 #141

lol... stonecutter357 Sep 2017 #7

... LexVegas Sep 2017 #8

I fully support single payer but the ACA was war and piece tymorial Sep 2017 #9

I've never received a 96 page pamphlet...n/t TCJ70 Sep 2017 #14

It's a comparison. And a rather accurate one inmo tymorial Sep 2017 #19

I like what you said. sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #138

Of course they are melman Sep 2017 #10

The answer is yes, indeed. democrank Sep 2017 #11

Oh yes, and completely predictable... Raster Sep 2017 #16

Someone should make a bingo card out of those. beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #69

We don't know how much the most recent plan will cost, particularly since the most recent plan.... George II Sep 2017 #77

Maybe we could send a U.S. delegation on a listening tour to all the industrialized nations democrank Sep 2017 #130

Please link to all the comments that you stated. TIA. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #108

+1 shanny Sep 2017 #125

Yeah, pretty much. TDale313 Sep 2017 #132

Not here treestar Sep 2017 #156

It can be convenient for a lazy mind to equate tactics with goal LanternWaste Sep 2017 #12

Can you prove this? Not Ruth Sep 2017 #27

Posting something twice makes it true. QC Sep 2017 #59

! beam me up scottie Sep 2017 #70

Is there an echo in here? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #95

"It can be convenient for a lazy mind to equate tactics wth goals". lapucelle Sep 2017 #104

Overwhelmingly, that is what the discussion has been about. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #121

Not me! demmiblue Sep 2017 #13

Probably but here is an excellent piece that talks abt the good politics of it. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #15

This is a good article. But here is the problem with it. StevieM Sep 2017 #41

I agree. We have made big mistakes in borrowing Republican words and letting the, Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #63

thanks for sharing clu Sep 2017 #137

"Repeal and Replace" was the way the GOP gave their base "hope" ehrnst Sep 2017 #172

I wouldn't mind Dems insisting over and over u till it became a mantra for Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #184

You mean like "defund Planned Parenthood!!!" the mantra that will ehrnst Sep 2017 #185

I have zero idea what u are talking about. Who said mantras are always right?I said Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #188

I guess you think that the mantra you suggested isn't neccessarily right? Or you don't care if it is ehrnst Sep 2017 #190

I'm sorry you are so confused. nt Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #192

Well, that's one way to avoid coming up with a response... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #194

My posts are your answers. But you are unable to comprehend any of it. So there Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #204

I've been waiting for health care that covers everyone since my kids were little shraby Sep 2017 #17

Nope, some here are absolute realists. Lee Adama Sep 2017 #18

True, unfortunately LyndaG Sep 2017 #43

Realists are such debbie downers... (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #186

Here's what you don't understand NJCher Sep 2017 #193

But there are other more realistic ways to get to UHC. ehrnst Sep 2017 #206

They shouldn't be off the table NJCher Sep 2017 #208

They will be if M4A is the only acceptable goal ehrnst Sep 2017 #210

Not me. I can't afford ACA! Joe941 Sep 2017 #20

Really? So you would prefer nothing like the Repblicans? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #24

I think Joe is saying he supports single payer because even under the ACA xor Sep 2017 #50

wow wise words clu Sep 2017 #147

The ACA premiums are too expensive for me in this area... Joe941 Sep 2017 #212

ACA was affordable for me. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #109

That's what VT residents said about Green Mountain Care. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2017 #195

For some, cult of personality and pettiness trump actual policies and progress. nt. JoeStuckInOH Sep 2017 #22

Mostly, those of us against this futile bill that has no shot...don't want to lose in 18 and 20... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #23

by all means, let's not offend the republicans shanny Sep 2017 #131

No, we don't want to see the ACA fail. Republicans were resigning themselves to the idea that Trust Buster Sep 2017 #25

Nope - just realistic about it happening JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #26

It is about waking up America Not Ruth Sep 2017 #28

Unfortunately - we don't get to vote on the floor JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #31

All I know is . . .. HughBeaumont Sep 2017 #29

I think we still have Russian trolls here Greybnk48 Sep 2017 #30

We definitely do. Lots of spittle flecked rage from them. Ninsianna Sep 2017 #75

This is so true. LisaM Sep 2017 #81

I don't even know why they think it will! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #110

Willful ignorance used to be the perview of the Right. ehrnst Sep 2017 #198

Yes, it's being a Democratic goal since at least FDR whathehell Sep 2017 #134

I think almost all of us are in favor of universal coverage. Single payer is just one way ... dawg Sep 2017 #32

No!!!!!!! Everyone here shares the same core values about healthcare. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #33

I am surprised to find any resistance to this idea Generic Other Sep 2017 #35

I'm guessing some of the resistance is based on selfishness or ignorance. LonePirate Sep 2017 #61

That's a bit unfair, since we don't know what this will cost or how anyone is Ninsianna Sep 2017 #148

So anyone who points out that the numbers in M4A don't add up as stated is either ehrnst Sep 2017 #191

after 15+ years here, not surprised even a little bit. KG Sep 2017 #37

Not me. Have been for S-Payer since 1980, will probably be for it in 2028. Hoyt Sep 2017 #38

Medicare for all is not "single payer." It's an insurance program. Like the ACA. ucrdem Sep 2017 #39

LOL! Sorry... being realistic and truthful does not correlate to HOPING for the predicted outcome. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #40

Iam so sorry about your friend, Spent 48 brutal weeks in 2004 fighting "C" ... Old Vet Sep 2017 #46

Thank you... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #65

You are correct, The poison I injected into my body to kill another to this day.......... Old Vet Sep 2017 #68

There are times I might want to purchase something moda253 Sep 2017 #47

The Regan Democrat contingent. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #48

few more folks than just that dembotoz Sep 2017 #49

There are no "Reagan Democrats" on DU. Everyone is Progressive or Left Liberal. emulatorloo Sep 2017 #53

Yes... LovingA2andMI Sep 2017 #51

Nope Maven Sep 2017 #52

Given that when Sanders proposed this during the primaries mythology Sep 2017 #54

i just wanted more meat on the bone before i got all gaga over it.. samnsara Sep 2017 #55

how is it going to be paid for- 10% out of everyone's paycheck in the country snooper2 Sep 2017 #56

Don't forget the end of private insurance costs being subtracted from every paycheck. LonePirate Sep 2017 #60

I'm not hoping for failure NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #57

How can it fail if it won't pass ? JI7 Sep 2017 #58

Yes. Just like the GOP was fine with "Romneycare" in Mass. TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #62

I actually hope single payer gets offered. ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #64

Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem. ZX86 Sep 2017 #66

Nope... Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #71

We're not going to flip congress by being mealy mouthed. ZX86 Sep 2017 #72

It doesn't matter how bold or ballsy you are Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #163

A lot of us were making this push back then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #116

Not enough... Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #164

I'm all for it. lunatica Sep 2017 #73

Yep. And it's quite obvious who the naysayers are, based off of certain animus. TheBlackAdder Sep 2017 #74

Just about all of us are for a plan that will work and can get passed. I haven't seen one yet. George II Sep 2017 #76

Democrats have a bold new plan for universal single payer health care. ZX86 Sep 2017 #79

"Bold new plan"? Which on is that? John Conyers' plan? George II Sep 2017 #85

That's one of them. ZX86 Sep 2017 #86

The plan is not bold, nor is it new. No need to be rude. MADem Sep 2017 #87

The statement stands. ZX86 Sep 2017 #88

I shoulda voted to hide, I guess. MADem Sep 2017 #92

Because if anyone disagrees with you on what will actually get to ehrnst Sep 2017 #199

Posts like this is why I have missed your voice here MADem. sheshe2 Sep 2017 #111

I pop in on occasion, but right now, the fight isn't Single Payer That Will NOT HAPPEN MADem Sep 2017 #216

Common sense and logic. Much needed here right now. ehrnst Sep 2017 #200

Well, it's "lead, follow, or get out of the way", and on various progressive issues over the years.. George II Sep 2017 #94

There are berni_mccoy Sep 2017 #78

Not at all, it wont even be voted on, so dont worry about it. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #80

Yup LyndaG Sep 2017 #99

...Booker, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, and Franken don't know what they're doing? Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #117

You have some reason to believe they are healthcare delivery experts? I don't. stevenleser Sep 2017 #139

It's well past time to move the conversation over to Single Payer, and that's what they're helping Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #140

That's because some here seem to want to ignore both lessons learned from ACA and want to ignore stevenleser Sep 2017 #142

I think that's a great conversation, actually, Steven. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #143

And there is something else too that I feel very strongly about. I suspect dual tier is better stevenleser Sep 2017 #144

Given the nature of the American psyche Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #145

Absolutely agree with you on this. davsand Sep 2017 #209

They do, they also know this isn't going to make it to the floor and they see Ninsianna Sep 2017 #146

The bill forced them to take a position, they know the bill wont be voted on let alone passed Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #154

It's the old pragmatists vs the idealist. It is easy to say you are for wasupaloopa Sep 2017 #82

I support it, provided.... Adrahil Sep 2017 #83

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #84

Yes, And The Reason Is Obvious ProfessorGAC Sep 2017 #91

Yes, absolutely Bradical79 Sep 2017 #98

DA! Eko Sep 2017 #100

I'm for universal healthcare DesertRat Sep 2017 #101

er no. And there are excellent replies in this thread explaining why this perception is wrong. JHan Sep 2017 #103

sure, or people can just use their eyes. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #114

up to them really .. *shrug* JHan Sep 2017 #119

No, actually, they won't. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #120

mmmhmm JHan Sep 2017 #122

"Ever seen a shirt make a phone call?" Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #123

I want to know exactly what is proposed radical noodle Sep 2017 #105

No, the John Conyers version in the House is fine. Warren DeMontague Sep 2017 #112

to be fair, its fine because it is hardly talked about. nt JCanete Sep 2017 #159

I've been for it since Conyers started proposing it! JNelson6563 Sep 2017 #113

Seems the answer is almost unanimous. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #118

The answer is no. People want Universal Health Care, and refusing ehrnst Sep 2017 #196

I think some would prefer not to see Hillary shanny Sep 2017 #124

Yes. And it's obvious why because it's Bernies proposal riderinthestorm Sep 2017 #126

I fully support it. Snackshack Sep 2017 #128

I have some concerns. TomSlick Sep 2017 #129

The moment Hillary came out against it, the tone of this forum changed for the worse LittleBlue Sep 2017 #135

It was more Bernie's answer to its failure in Vermont. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #158

It fails in every state because states can't raise the tax revenue per capita LittleBlue Sep 2017 #169

I want universal care...but I want the ACA to survive...and this bill helps the GOP kill it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #168

Healthcare companies employs over 12 million people across the US Calista241 Sep 2017 #136

I'm hoping that the demand for it doesn't hurt chances for Universal Health Care ehrnst Sep 2017 #149

Are some on DU trying to start a flame war? ehrnst Sep 2017 #157

The problem is getting the GOP to bring it up for a vote BainsBane Sep 2017 #160

kicked and recommended for your comment. JHan Sep 2017 #165

I think they are and boy will they be sorry when the outcome is nothing...no healthcare Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #166

If you are referring to the Sander's bill...it won't fail because it Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #173

I'm not hoping it fails; I know it will fail. Chemisse Sep 2017 #176

Some on DU will always want our side to fail IronLionZion Sep 2017 #177

Medicare for all does cover mental health and substance abuse treatment services HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #219

The DUers who have a deeply negative defeatist attitude towards all this IronLionZion Sep 2017 #221

Not hoping that it fails Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #187

we gotta start with the propagandistic "socialized medicine" of the past. There are still CTyankee Sep 2017 #189

Hoping it fails? That's a stupid question. Starry Messenger Sep 2017 #197

Not as many as are here hoping for the ACA to fail. We all know why. LuvLoogie Sep 2017 #201

I don't think ANYONE on this site wants the ACA to fail... Raster Sep 2017 #203

Because Bernie introduced it and anything associated with Bernie will be rejected. Joe941 Sep 2017 #215

Really? ananda Sep 2017 #218

It needs funding machinist included. Adrahil Sep 2017 #220